Originally Posted by creedlvr

I agree that Scott obviously didn't share all of his problems with Mark and Flip, but still ... the rest of the world could see there was a problem. Even if Mark and Flip didn't know exactly what was going on, they should've noticed something just wasn't right.

Someone said earlier that Mark should at least have the respect enough for Scott not to bad-mouth him or at least use a little more tact ... and I agree. So many of us here have said right along that once Scott does speak out, he would NEVER say a bad word towards his fellow band members ... and obviously, we were right.

I'm sure there is a little bit of "fluff" in both Mark and Scott's stories ... but I really tend to believe Scott. Besides, most of what Mark said, does coincide with what Scott said. They both agree that Scott didn't want to tour as much as the others. They both agree that Scott isolated himself from everyone. They both agree that there was no communication. I think that Scott was wrong in not sharing the whole truth with his band members ... but more importantly ... his friends. He should have put more faith in them to understand ... or at least given them a chance. But I think that Mark and Flip were wrong for not realizing that Scott was not just being an asshole and that something was clearly wrong.

I understand that everyone has to make a living ...but please ... I don't think that anyone of them were going to go bankrupt if they took some extra time off. IMO ... they could have cut him some slack. They had to have known something ... so many of us here ... so far away from Scott ... knew he had health problems and didn't look himself. How could they have not figured it out?

Well ... if I say anymore, I will get attached, so all I'll say is that I really admire Scott and hope that he stays on the right track and is happy.

Originally Posted by Dogstar

*rollseyes*

Originally Posted by Dogstar

I'm just tired of some of the people who seem to be only on Scott's side acting all persecuted every time they post something in support of the man. Time to get off the cross. If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then don't post. Btw, had you just posted your thoughts, you would have escaped what you called my attack. *rollseyes yet again*

Originally Posted by musiclover291

I don't think everybody is only on Stapp side I think there is truth to both AB and Stapp side. It's a shame about the divison among Creed fans. I just think that for some we are happy to see Stapp speak out. It was apparent to many that something was wrong with him and we are happy that he is healthy and happy and has found peace for himself and his son. Know he can move on with his career and life and the same with AB.

Originally Posted by musiclover291

I don't think everybody is only on Stapp side I think there is truth to both AB and Stapp side. It's a shame about the divison among Creed fans. I just think that for some we are happy to see Stapp speak out. It was apparent to many that something was wrong with him and we are happy that he is healthy and happy and has found peace for himself and his son. Know he can move on with his career and life and the same with AB.

Originally Posted by Dogstar

I never said that everybody was only on Scott's side. The people I was talking about seemed to think they would be attacked for anything that seemed only pro-Stapp because they often couched their responses with statements to that effect. All I said was that it was tiresome to read that kind of thing and that they shouldn't post their opinions if they don't expect people to disagree with them. Sadly, there is a division among fans, and that's where some of the disagreement comes from. I'm just tired of the whole persecution complex SOME of his more ardent supporters seem to convey. I support both and always will. I wish nothing but the best for both of them.

Originally Posted by Dogstar

I support both and always will. I wish nothing but the best for both of them.

Originally Posted by creedlvr

I'm sure there is a little bit of "fluff" in both Mark and Scott's stories ... but I really tend to believe Scott. Besides, most of what Mark said, does coincide with what Scott said. They both agree that Scott didn't want to tour as much as the others. They both agree that Scott isolated himself from everyone. They both agree that there was no communication. I think that Scott was wrong in not sharing the whole truth with his band members ... but more importantly ... his friends. He should have put more faith in them to understand ... or at least given them a chance. But I think that Mark and Flip were wrong for not realizing that Scott was not just being an asshole and that something was clearly wrong.

Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay

Agreed.

Although Mark tried to talk to Stapp and he said nothing, coz he didn't want to talk about it.

In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding... then JHMP showedup and screwed things up. Creed was too bad managed.

And so did Wind-Up... now they can sell the triple: AB, SS and Creed compilations that will pop up every 3 years or so with unreleased material. :mad:

Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay

In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding...

Originally Posted by musiclover291

I think that is important for him because of his son and that should come first. AB members don't have that responsibilty so they can focus on there music.

Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay

In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding... then JHMP showedup and screwed things up. Creed was too bad managed.