Live Videos From Buffalo, NY (8/8)
 

Feel free to post all media from the show in Buffalo here...

Ode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TNxH0Y-Oek

Say I:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7e8sQTw0jA

Torn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3qPXqB6J7M

What’s This Life For:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6_sC1pDAno

Faceless Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0vVRsMtJAE

With Arms Wide Open:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmvkcsBF0wk

Higher:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr1KRDBgKt8

One Last Breath:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmw_qJtwT9M

My Sacrifice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JupSV5XwTYc

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I wonder why stapp is consistently changing that first lyric to ode.

I thought he just messed it up on the 8/6 concert, but he does it again here.

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Maybe he feels like changing...

I know Shaun Morgan (from Seether) changes lyrics live because Wind-Up wouldn't allow those lyrics on the albums.

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Who knows...I wish he would correct it though. Other then that I wish the guys would stop speeding everything up, they need to slow it wayyy down.

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These videos are much better than the videos from opening night. Hopefully we can get the new single to sound this clear.

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i didn't notice any change and as for playing fast they do have alot of songs to get through in short period of time.

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Stapp sounds absolutely horrible. I tried to be optimistic about this reunion but I guess I really can't be.

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Its very sad, I watched all the video from PA and now Buffalo. I've been a huge Creed fan since 00 but never got a chance to see them live. When I heard they got back together even if just for a summer tour I got pit tickets right away pre sale. Now I'm thinking about selling them. I'm a huge AB fan as well, I saw them 3 times 1 acoustic Myles warms up for about 4 hours before the show, nothing but singing and playing with Mark till the show so they are warmed up and ready to kick a$$. Scott Stapp just does not have the discipline to do vocal exercises and keep his voice in shape from what I'm hearing. I can't blame the rest of the band, its a huge amount of money for 3 months of touring, and they are playing way more seats and bigger shows than they ever did on the AB name. Creed still packs a house. Just too bad Stapp still doesn't take his role in a band as big as Creed serious enough to keep his voice in shape enough to sing his own songs. I wanted Creed to be back in a huge way and show the new bands what its like to own a stage, but Saliva with their singer at 300 pounds could squeak out their songs better. Anyone notice the 2nd guitar player and back up vocalist? Sad.

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Ok can we please stop knocking Stapp..It was mentioned that he is still working his voice back into shape...I saw Creed in 99 and 01...At that point those guys had been touring for months...Its gonna take hime a while to get his voice back up tp par for his live performances...Give him a break...I think for a band that hasnt played together in 7 years they sound pretty in tune..Its gonna take them time...But they will get there...peace:mad1:

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The band sounds as awesome as ever but his vocal range is obviously limited.

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1.) Eric Friedman is not just some guitarist
2.) The band hasnt been together in 7 years
3.) Stop with Myles Kennedy comparison...Myles is great..just not Stapp..
4.) When you play in outdoor arenas your voice doesnt carry as well as it does in enclosed arenas..See Myles kenney performance with Alter Bridge during the MLB playoffs...Kennedy sounded like absolute shit that day..truth
5.) If your not going to support them, sell your tickets...and hang over at ABB.NET..where almost everyone rags Stapp and Creed..
6.)Alter Bridge is a good band..but they never have and never will be as good as Creed...:confused:

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I'm not a Stapp hater, but I couldn't disagree more. Both Stapp and The rest of the guys have been touring since Creed broke up the first time, Stapp was getting ready to tour for his second album before he met with Mark and had been in the studio. He has had since December to get his voice in shape. 8 Months, They have been rehearsing this tour for a month now. Its simply bad living and not laying off the booze. That kills your voice. Its not like they are doing 3 hour sets and he is starting to loose his range by the 3d set they start the night from what I can hear with Stapp not being able to get the higher notes of any song. Its hard work to get your voice in shape and it takes time. 8 Months is more than enough time with the money he has, and when people are paying so much for tickets, all I'm saying is take a little more pride in your job. Stapp is no basketball or baseball star he is the vocalist of one of the biggest rock bands in the last 20 years, act like it. This is what broke the band up the first time. Read the interviews with Tremonti on some of the causes for the first Creed split.

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as a Creed fan turned Ab fan turned Creed fan again I have to agree that stapps voice is gone. How can you sit there and say his vocals will get better when they are putting on a show every other night, thats bullshit. I have seen Creed 3 times live and watching Stapp on these videos he is not the same he was before Creed broke up. Ya they have been rehearsing, and working on the album thats fine. Im am pulling for Creed 100% and I can't wait to see them live, and hear what he sounds like on the new album. All the people that say his voice is awsome or will get better, get out of your little bubble and accept that fact that Stapp is what he is and we move on!

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All the people who think Stapp's voice is shot... you are wrong. I have seen Creed live twice during the Human Clay Tour and have about 15 bootlegs from all tours. He is preserving his voice so he can make it through the tour. He can sing just as well as he used to. He is just a lot smarter now and isn' t pushing it as hard. He was 5 times better in NY than in Philly because he was a little horse that night. He was in supreme form on 8/8. Whether his voice will hold up is anyones guess. I believe with the shape he is in now, mentally and physically, it will be fine. He will have off nights and he will have on nights. He always has.

For the haters and skeptics..... don't go to the shows or buy the album. Enough comparisons to Myles. Totally different types of singers. Let the fans who love Stapp and Creed enjoy the shows and music. Take your hate somewhere else.

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I would like to hear from lexmusic on this matter, what is the word from the band itself on the status of Stapps Vocals?

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My compairson of Stapp to Myles isn't about ability or preference, let me be very clear its all about dicipline. Myles is a far more diciplined vocalist that Stapp is. That is total BS about saving your voice for a tour. If you are a real professional vocalsit making the kind of money Stapp does with the exception of having a cold, or you are just abusing your voice, there should be no reason you can't perform your own songs every night. You can't compair creed from the Human Clay tour to 2009. Stapp is 9 years older and his voice has changed. The male voice does not have the same natural range in your 30's as it had when you are in your 20's You need training proper living and lots of hard work every day to keep it in shape. If Scott started now with a proper vocal coach and worked hard every day he could be back in form in 2 weeks and be fine for the rest of the tour. Lets hope that happens, he is screwing a lot of fans right now. For the fans that think Scott sounds better than ever, take your blinders off, or listen to the live videos they don't lie. He can't hit the notes on most of the songs when they get above sounds like F above middle C. And not being able to hear out doors, thats what they pay millions in sound gear for, and he has in ears. IN EARS!!!! how can you say he can't hear? I think its you who can't hear the video evidence. Look all I'm saying is I hope he takes his role as the vocalist for Creed a little more seriously and get his voice in shape so he can put on a show worth the price of a 100 dollar ticket.

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Thanks for the videos! Yeah it is obvious that Scott's voice is not at 100%. So what they still sound great. Some people seem so critical of Stapp, it is really sad. He is human let him be and support the guys.

I absolutely loved seeing them perform live on VH-1 friday night. They looked comfortable. They sounded great. The stage was amazing and I love the fire! It was hot.

What kind of fan is ready to bash a singer and jump ship just because they were not pleased with a live performance? At least he is trying and he is actually singing live. Most artist sound totally different live. It is all apart of the experience. If you want perfect vocals than listen to the album and skip the show.

I love Crred and Alter Bridge and I appreciate being able to see Creed live again period.

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[quote=nflea7]My compairson of Stapp to Myles isn't about ability or preference, let me be very clear its all about dicipline. Myles is a far more diciplined vocalist that Stapp is. That is total BS about saving your voice for a tour. If you are a real professional vocalsit making the kind of money Stapp does with the exception of having a cold, or you are just abusing your voice, there should be no reason you can't perform your own songs every night. You can't compair creed from the Human Clay tour to 2009. Stapp is 9 years older and his voice has changed. The male voice does not have the same natural range in your 30's as it had when you are in your 20's You need training proper living and lots of hard work every day to keep it in shape. If Scott started now with a proper vocal coach and worked hard every day he could be back in form in 2 weeks and be fine for the rest of the tour. Lets hope that happens, he is screwing a lot of fans right now. For the fans that think Scott sounds better than ever, take your blinders off, or listen to the live videos they don't lie. He can't hit the notes on most of the songs when they get above sounds like F above middle C. And not being able to hear out doors, thats what they pay millions in sound gear for, and he has in ears. IN EARS!!!! how can you say he can't hear? I think its you who can't hear the video evidence. Look all I'm saying is I hope he takes his role as the vocalist for Creed a little more seriously and get his voice in shape so he can put on a show worth the price of a 100 dollar ticket...

-I think that none of us really know what he does and doesnt do to keep his voice in shape...Alot of people also forget that he damaged his voice during the Weathered tour and had to take steroids just to be able to continue on..I say the fact that they are out there giving it their all for the fans and putting on a heck of a show is more than worth the lousy 100 for a ticket...People pay twice that to see most the crap bands of today...

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If you people would remember... Stapp sucked horribly the first few shows on the Weathered tour. He forced it too much because the first show was on VH1 and had nothing left.

...but he got better.

Just give him some time. Yes, he's been touring as a solo artist since Creed's demise, but he hasn't HAD to sound good. He had nobody pushing him to sound better. Things are different now.

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These Buffalo videos are much better quality than any of the ones from Pittsburgh, even including the VH1 show which were sadly, done poorly.

As someone who was actually at both shows, I can tell you Scott is in great shape both physically, mentally and vocally...and he was on FIRE in Buffalo! And this crap about the booze needs to stop...because he's stopped. Do you think the rest of the guys would have reunited with him otherwise? And I can tell you...the energy in Buffalo was so thick you could have cut it with a knife...and not one fan at either show walked out of there feeling gyped.

Why don't you all reserve your judgement until you actually go to a show and experience the energy and the passion for yourself.

Hater's are so obsessed it drives me nutz. And quite honestly some of you give all alter bridge fans a bad name, when I know that most of them can enjoy both, uniquely different vocalists and styles. Give it a rest...let Creed be Creed and Alter Bridge will come back to you before you know it.

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We aren't hating, we're just calling it like we see it.

What some of you seem to forget is that we are as much entitled to our opinion that his voice is gone as you are to saying that it isn't.

What i find ironic is that the people who are saying his voice is/may be gone are doing so in a fairly logical manner, while the people arguing his voice is fine are doing so by basically calling the rest of us idiots.


Stapp has been a professional performer for a long time, and being a vocalist myself, if you are going to preserve your voice, that doesn't mean you sing a song like what if a whole tone flat the entire way through the song.

Stapp blew out his voice, plain and simple. His voice has lost the upper 1/4 of his range, he can't sing as high as he used to and he doesn't ahve the vocal endurance to hold notes out for as long as he used to.

I love the man and the band to death, i respect the fact that he is finding ways around what he's lost, but those of you who are thinking it's going to magically go back to what it was will be sorely disappointed.

They would be wise to lower the tuning on their entire set so that he can hit the notes in that register.

Also, as you get older, your high range becomes more difficult to access, especially when stapp has always been a baritone to begin with. Add on top of that poor singing technique and alcohol/drugs and nodes and singing on top of nodes and you have what you hear now.

The AOL recordings are heavily edited. You can hear the pitch correction in the tone of his voice while he's singing.

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The whole set is tuned down a half a step, except for "Overcome"

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^ I couldnt agree more. Stapp vocals are what they are and its not going to change as the tour rolls on. People on here that are bashing and saying they shouldn't have bought a ticket are crazy. I bet both concerts so far were eletric thats why I can't wait. We all just see how times of changed for Stapp and have to live with it as Creed fans.

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Without flaming intentions, you never know.

To all those people who are considering selling their tickets....

At the moment you are watching live videos, if you weren't there you aren't going to have the same opinion as the people who were there. I think if you're having doubts, just sell your tickets, if you don't have faith in Stapp to deliver just sell your tickets. When you are at the concert, you won't care. You will be blown away by EVERYTHING, the atmosphere will be great.

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I don't think anyone is bashing or hating on Stapp, people are basically saying he is not a young pup anymore. Peoples bodies change with age. During Creed in their heyday Creed was always on the road which I'm sure strained Stapp voice and with his rough lifestyle towards the end of Creed and first few years after the breakup had to have done some damage. With not being able to hit the high notes, Stapp just naturally has a deep voice and compile age and some abuse to his voice he just may not be ability to. I'm sure Stapp has been preparing very diligently for this new album and tour to be in top-notch shape. I think what we are hearing is what we got. I don't think we will hear those high notes we once did in the past. O well lets make the best of it Creeds back.

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only thing i want to know....how big was the crowd this time around? anyone know? just for curiosity

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I wish all the people bitching about stapps vocals would just shut up. God, i bet none of you can sing as well as him.

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Notice how most of the people bashing him are new users...

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Yes! you should contact Steve and demand he officially ban any and all criticism of Scott Stapp.:nut:

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Yes, I was just about to point that out. Critiquing of Stapp's vocals is fine from members with a rep and we know they've been around here for awhile. It's just annoying to see new members come here and claim they've been huge Creed fans for years but are unhappy with his voice now. It just reeks of trolling.

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Go ahead, be my guest. It's your idea, not mine. I don't know where you got it from though.

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creed will be number one again....reap the words of true fans.. when that single and album hit they will kick everyones butttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

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From you telling people to "shut up".

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I wasn't implying criticisms of stapps vocal should be banned at all. I was merely venting my frustration. The constant negativity is just ridiculous. Creed is back and on tour. Why is everyone so hell bent on finding faults? Especially on one member of the band.

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I don't support bashing or the comparing to Myles. In my case it is that I notice a change from what once was. I don't think it's a fault because time and the elements effect voices.
One day age will effect the hands of Mark, Scott and Brian.

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I don't think Nagpo's complaint was directed towards you but rather all these new users who are seemingly only joining to put down Stapp (as if they somehow expected him to sound like it was 1998).

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That there's this much controversy surrounding Stapps vocals already kinda means a lot. We'll be lucky if this whole thing isn't a complete disaster by the end.

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The fact that I'm a new user on Creedfeed.com should have no bearing on weather or not Scott can sing his songs on tour. So far anyone that has made comment that he isn't able to sing his songs doesn't sound like bashing him, although some of you thing so. I reserved comment until I saw 2 nights of shows on youtube and one was worse than the next vocally. That's all. Alright you guys don't like to hear about Myles, fine. Take Nickelback, They broke about the same time. Chad Kroger sounds the same as he did in 2001 and some how keeps pumping out hits and touring for 18 months and sounds as good at show #1 as show 300 Why would that be? Maybe because he takes care of himself. Watch his behind the scene videos, the guy is very up on health and fitness and keeping his voice in shape. I could go on but why when all the turn a blind eye don't take comments members just rip anyone who has an opinion than Stapps vocals rule. Again my only point was for the price of tickets Stapp should take better care of his voice and should hit the stage every night being able to nail 90% of his songs, and from what I've heard it doesn't seem that way to me.

I just don't understand why making the point that Stapp should be able to sing his songs is some how constant negativity? But congrats on making this the #1 thread on the board. Expect plenty more to come if we keep getting videos like the past 2 from each show.

I for 1 hope he pulls himself together and gets it worked out for when I see them in a week.

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thanks for the links:D

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The links are kick ass, great video feed good work Dark_Knight