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RoffeDH 02-18-2005 08:09 AM

When oh when!
 
I'm still a bit scared of his solo album not being what I hope. But still, when will it be out! If it ever will! When will the full page come up?

Higher_Desire 02-18-2005 11:36 AM

Last I heard it was supposed to be "Late February or late March." At least that's what Scott has said in interviews. Personally, I highly doubt it will be out anytime soon. I think that Creed DVD we were promised so long ago will come out first. Scott (nor anyone close to him) have given us an update in quite a few monts.


H-D :pimp:

titan9 02-18-2005 12:11 PM

I was just about to post this thread, because it's what I've been thinking. I've been patient and positive about Scott's solo career and CD, but even I am beginning to get a wee bit impatient. The lack of updates is frustrating, to say the least. I'm not even sure who is to blame for that anymore. I've been wanting to know more about the solo CD, so I even signed up for PBF's forums and have been checking those alot. They have said on PBF that Scott has been hard at work on a solo CD, putting in 10-12 hour days. As far as I can tell(and this is from PBF) Scott just finished(or is about to finish) the PRE-Recording stage, meaning the album is NOWHERE near completion. Which is mind boggling, when you think he's been working on this album for over a year. How can it take this long to finish a PRE-recording phase? That's my question. Did Scott have some songs completed, then decide to start over? Who knows. All these delays/changes are making alot of people question whether Scott will come out with a solo album. I know Scott will, but even I am beginning to get impatient. I know when Scott's solo album comes out, it will be good. I know that for a fact. But when will it be out? We need some news, some sort of update.

LeftOfTheMurder 02-18-2005 05:26 PM

First of all, I don't think the Creed DVD we were promised is ever going to come out. I think the most they will give us is what they already have - that shitty one that came with the Greatest Hits CD.

Secondly, pertaining to Scott, I don't know, man - I think that he's just putting things off because he can't write songs by himself. Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work. I don't know who did the music for Relearn Love, but i'm doubting it was Stapp. I just don't think he can compete. But trust me, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. All I'm saying is that it looks like Stapp is just putting this off. There hasn't been news for months. I thought he shot a vid for Relearn Love a few months ago? Where's that? Kinda strange....

RMadd 02-18-2005 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LeftOfTheMurder
Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work.

if, by 'music,' you mean 'guitars, drums, etc', then yeah, Mark wrote all (or the vast majority) of it. lyrics, i always thought, were Scott's deal.

titan9 02-18-2005 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RMadd
if, by 'music,' you mean 'guitars, drums, etc', then yeah, Mark wrote all (or the vast majority) of it. lyrics, i always thought, were Scott's deal.


So did I. Scott's working with Goneblind, so I'm assuming that they are doing the music, while Scott does the lyrics. Don't know for sure, though.

The Lithium 02-18-2005 08:09 PM

I've lost all faith on him... He've pissed me off too many times!

Ana4Stapp 02-18-2005 09:06 PM

News about Scott's CD? :confused:

News about Relearn Love video? :(

Full official website? :mad1:

But I'm still waiting ... :rolleyes:

titan9 02-18-2005 10:22 PM

So am I. Wind Up needs to at least give him a full site. A bio for the bio section wouldn't be that hard to type up. Wind-Up could easily give him a full site, and at least update the site. It's ridiculous.

oooo 02-19-2005 12:07 AM

scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future

tremonti4life04 02-19-2005 01:24 AM

well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)

RoffeDH 02-19-2005 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is.

What kind of music is it? Didn't know you did that? Have we hear of you?

Any way! I'm a bit pissed on Creed after I had read that Tremonti did most lyrics and stuff, they prettended to be "best of friends" in my oppinion, I never saw them live so I don't know how they were then, could only see them on TV and they seemed to be friends there... Man I'm dissapointed.

WE NEED PROOF SCOTT! SHOW US SOMETHING! A VIDEO? A NEW SINGEL!


AN ALBUM!!!

Frankie 02-19-2005 10:54 AM

Quote:

NO ONE AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing.


Oh ye of little faith :silly: Don't ever assume that ^^^^

A little "proof" for now :D

http://www.johndthomas.com/

TeriB19 02-19-2005 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie
Oh ye of little faith :silly: Don't ever assume that ^^^^

A little "proof" for now :D

http://www.johndthomas.com/


What proof is that? It's the exact same quote Stapp used in his Kilborn and BDSSE interviews a year ago. The only new thing there is the person's name with whom he's associated. tremonti4life04 has a point, Wind-Up really needs to show more than a pic and a blurb about the guy Stapp's working with. If they don't want to lose whatever handful of fans that would STILL be interested in both Stapp's solo stuff and Alter Bridge, they'd better get some more info out there to the public before it's too late. His website would be a GREAT start.

Frankie 02-19-2005 11:44 AM

These three things are all brand new updates on JT's site as of Feb. 9th, 2005
Someone asked for some proof that Scott was working...this is all it is meant to be. I'm pretty sure JT's not making stuff up to make himself look good.

Quote:

SCOTT STAPP Singer from CREED - Now in the process of recording his new solo album.


JT is helping Scott put together his dream studio mixing the best vintage gear and the the highest quality modern outboard gear and studio equipment available.

JOHN D THOMAS has worked in the following capacities:
Scott Stapp solo album recording engineer/studio gear consultant and buyer


And waiting for wind-up...is a don't hold your breath scenario at best.

Steve 02-19-2005 11:52 AM

Just a note: that news was on that site prior to Feb 9th...

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...as.com/+&hl=en

I don't know how long it has been there, but it's not new as of Feb 9th.

Frankie 02-19-2005 12:12 PM

Steve...Just a note...
I have that site bookmarked and check it on a regular basis...
The parts I quoted...were BRAND NEW...when I posted the information at PBF on...oh wait..you're right...after double checking my post it was Feb. 7th...not the 9th.

Quote:

SCOTT STAPP Singer from CREED - Now in the process of recording his new solo album.


JT is helping Scott put together his dream studio mixing the best vintage gear and the the highest quality modern outboard gear and studio equipment available.

JOHN D THOMAS has worked in the following capacities:
Scott Stapp solo album recording engineer/studio gear consultant and buyer

titan9 02-19-2005 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)


Yeah, I agree with what you said. We need updates. Surely Wind-Up can give us something. I do believe Scott is in the studio, but I'd still like some updates and news.

Ana4Stapp 02-19-2005 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oooo
scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future



Hey !Calm down! Scott's working hard on his cd. He has a great voice(IMO still the best of rock scenery) and he's going to surprise us on a positive way.
I still belive in this guy. ;)
In my opinion, Wind-Up is the real problem, 'cause the poor job on Scott website.
Go on Stappp!!!!! :stappchic

PS:Of course, I think AB has a very bright future too...

Ana4Stapp 02-19-2005 01:10 PM

When
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftOfTheMurder
First of all, I don't think the Creed DVD we were promised is ever going to come out. I think the most they will give us is what they already have - that shitty one that came with the Greatest Hits CD.

Secondly, pertaining to Scott, I don't know, man - I think that he's just putting things off because he can't write songs by himself. Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work. I don't know who did the music for Relearn Love, but i'm doubting it was Stapp. I just don't think he can compete. But trust me, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. All I'm saying is that it looks like Stapp is just putting this off. There hasn't been news for months. I thought he shot a vid for Relearn Love a few months ago? Where's that? Kinda strange....


First sentence: At this point, agreed. :(

Second one:Oh, C'mon! I cant believe it! Everibody knows that Scott wrote the most of the Creed's lyrics. No doubt.

Dogstar 02-19-2005 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)


For Real. I mean, if this thing is totally in the works, there should be a web site, dammit.

titan9 02-19-2005 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogstar
For Real. I mean, if this thing is totally in the works, there should be a web site, dammit.


Yup. Even I could get up a decent site for Scott. They could easily hire someone to put it up in a couple of days. It wouldn't be that hard. It's frustrating that Wind-Up is not updating some of their artist sites. Big Dismal(who broke up in November) and 12 Stones haven't had a web site update in over 2 months. Pathetic. Stapp's is even worse. He hasn't had an update since October. Again, pathetic. Wind-Up can do better. And they should do better.

RoffeDH 02-20-2005 03:44 PM

Man! Okey! We all agree that Wind-Up is the problem, right? So can we leave it? Thank you... Now, SOME ONE OUT THERE MUST HAVE HEARD SOMETHING! Please... if I don't hear something new in, say a month! I will be realy dissapointed! Wind-Up needs to wind up their webpages :P (he he he... I hate my bad jokes)

titan9 02-20-2005 04:44 PM

Yup, I think we all agree on that.

NeedforCreed 03-25-2005 10:11 AM

Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?

NeedforCreed 03-25-2005 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedforCreed
Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?


Does someone else catch the comparison?

Bridge of Clay 03-25-2005 10:24 AM

hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Expect Wind-up to release Creed stuff every year, it's a gold mine.

titan9 03-25-2005 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay
hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Expect Wind-up to release Creed stuff every year, it's a gold mine.


I totally agree with that. As Wind-Up has shown(by releasing the Greatest Hits CD despite 3/4 of the band not liking the idea) they only care about the money. The GH has sold pretty well, and I'm sure Wind-Up wants to make even more money off of Creed. They'll do that, too, because there are enough people out there who are still willing to buy Creed stuff.

tremonti4life04 03-25-2005 04:15 PM

Yes, creed is still a goldmine, look at the **Cough**shitty**cough** Greatest Hits compilation. It sold extremely well. BUT, Nothing new, nothing we didnt know, absolutly nothing cool was on that cd. Even mark said in that one interview that he wished they could have waited so that they could have thrown some new things on there. What are they going to do next, release the "Not-So-Greatest-Hits" cd with all the songs that didnt make it on the air...Oops, shouldnt have said that out loud, Wind-Up scouts are probably visiting here higher than kites saying "Yeaaaa Mannnn, sounds like a good idea!"

PrtytilImPurple 03-26-2005 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oooo
scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future


Man that's a gutsy statement. I'm not willing to stick my neck out until I've heard something. As much as people hate Stapp, you have to admit that for every chance that he will fail. There is that other chance that he will make it big. It's a 50/50 either way.

I'm not willing to make a statement like that. Because if the man actually proves himself it would make me look pretty foolish. I think I'll wait until I can form an opinion based on what I hear.

Shadow 03-30-2005 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bridge of Clay
hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Marcos, just fyi, the lawsuit was completely closed July 2004.

Bridge of Clay 03-31-2005 07:16 AM

it did? I remember Creed won, so to say... but then the guys appealed... so the appeal is over too?! I know, that's whay you just said. But now I don't know if the appeal thing is true.

shiver 04-02-2005 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedforCreed
Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?



John Fogerty rocks! Stapp, not so much. This thing is gonna end up like Chinese Democracy.

titan9 04-02-2005 11:56 PM

I hope it doesn't end up that way. I know when this album gets released, it'll be good stuff. It just needs to be released.

tremonti4life04 04-03-2005 03:03 AM

I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!

uncertaindrumer 04-09-2005 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!


Are you insane? Why do you think Tremo ditched Stapp? Yeah, thought so.


lol, I know, there is nothing wrong with dreaming.

TeriB19 04-09-2005 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!

I think the first part of your statement could possibly be truthful if he ever DOES come out with something new, but since we're not seeing anything new, it's hard to make that guess. And as for the last part? I wouldn't hold your breath. Stapp's not a fan of the guitar solo.

aussiecreeder 04-10-2005 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tremonti4life04
I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!


new JM? like dying at 27? too late.......

titan9 04-10-2005 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeriB19
Stapp's not a fan of the guitar solo.


Which is the only thing I don't like about Stapp musically. I wish he liked the solo more. A song Stapp solo song with his vocals and a really good solo has the potential to be awesome.

Like you said, though, we need to see a CD from him first, before we can compare him to other artists. I think he will release the solo CD, I just don't know when at this point. It seems like the timeframe keeps changing. One thing is for sure, though: he needs to release that CD sooner rather than later. Not all fans are going to be patient.

tremonti4life04 04-11-2005 03:17 AM

well, windup records has him as a "Coming in 2005" artist, now, does that mean the year 2005 or "coming in 2005 years" honestly, i dont know. I believe that stapp wont have any fancy guitar work on the cd tho, look at creed...He had a guitarist that is considered to be one of the best guitarists of the 90's, and he didnt put him to work! Honestly, if mark tremonti was my guitarist, i would have him shred for 90% of the song, and me singing just 10%. If you look (technically) at the transition hes made from Weathered to One Day Remains, he takes a massive jump in difficulty between those years. Now, with creed, you could also tell a difference from My Own Prison to Weathered. Big difference. Yet still lacking solos, now on ODR, there are a bunch of them and they are extremely impressive solos, so i think that stapp had something to do with the lack of solos. So i believe that there isnt going to be too much fancy guitar work on stapps record, i just hope that be does a better job on that cd than he did with Relearn Love. Stapp is one hell of a singer/songwriter, and i would hate to see his career go down the shitter


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