Stapp and AB's relationship
 

Besides the obvious fact that they aren't in the same band anymore, what is the relationship between Stapp and his former bandmates? Are they still friends? Do they hate each other's guts? Do they have no relationship at all? What's the deal?

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I don't think there is much of a relationship there. Stapp seems to be willing to reconcile, but Mark, Flip and Brian don't feel the same way. Or at least that's what I last heard.

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pretty sad if they dont... hopefully they can put difference aside and shake on things... continue moving on...... One... oh one.... remember the lyrics guys..... stand behind it....

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I don't think they talk to each other at all. At least that's the impression I get.

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No No Day All Good :peacelove :D

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Read an interview with Myles and Mark in the latest issue of...some magazine >.> But anyway, predictably, they asked Mark about whether he still speaks to Stapp or not, and Mark was all "He texts me every so often to wish us luck and all, but I've heard it all before...I can't trust the guy..." and the what-forth.

So I'll let that speak for itself.

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that's kinda mean of mark. at least scott is doing his part...

i think mark gotta look at their song again and think whether he believe what he wrote or not

"Seems to me that we've got each other wrong
Was the enemy just your brother all along?...(Rise Today: Blackbird)"

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In all honesty, it seems like Mark has gotten more of a chip on his shoulder. I love the guy... but it just seems like he won't say anything nice about Stapp, ever. I mean, they were pretty young when they started playing music together... they must have been close at one point. If Stapp is, in fact, making an effort to be friendly... I don't see why Mark can't return the favor.

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I kind of agree. I'm not saying they should be best friends and reform creed. but when stapp texts you and wishes you good luck, say thanks.

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You ever have someone do you wrong and when they try to come back into the picture, it's usually because they want something from you? You have to ask yourself; is this person sincere, or just looking to fullfill his or her own selfish needs? Sometimes when you give someone so many chances, is it really worth it when you know what to expect? Is it really worth all the hassle and grief? Let those who are negative in your life go. Life goes on, move on is what I say. If I were Mark I'd do the same - as a matter of fact I have, but with the negative people in my life.

What's that old saying? He who lives in a glass house shouldn't throw stones. Think about your own lives before you pass judgement.

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I see what you're saying, but what does stapp gain by saying "good luck" when there about to perform in alter bridge? Mark has already stated no more creed. from what it looks like, stapp is just trying to stay in contact, be friendly, be nice and not look jaded over the break up.

Stapp is just keeping himself open, it's up to tremo. Allthough i see where he is coming from to. I just think they shouldnt cut eachother out their lives just yet. Stapps got some room to grow, he's made some progress, he hasnt done anything terrible or drug related in a couple of months. Tremo needs to forgive stapp, but once again that could never happen.

I think they should all grow up.

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That's your interpretation about Stapp, you don't know his true agenda, none of us do. History speaks for itself and I'm going with the re-run of this same episode. People can forgive others, but they don't necessarily have to become buddies again you know what I mean?

There was a story I read too about Stapp and how he treated his fans. Should those fans who were hurt by Stapp forgive him for crushing thier dreams when they met him in person? I bet he wants their forgiveness now too because those were the people who helped him succeed and now they are gone because he wasn't the person whom they believed him to be. A wound may heal, but a scar will always remain.

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No one knows Stapp's true intention. That's true. But if he is reaching out, trying to make an effort to atone for his past mistakes (and there are a lot of them), I don't see why Mark can't simply say "Thanks for the well wishes." Why does he have to add something less than nice like "I can't trust the guy". I mean, seriously, that's not really professional and, if anything, it gives off the impression that Mark is being a jerk. I know Mark has a lot to be angry about--just the Chicago incident alone--but eventually, you gotta bury the hatchet and move on. You gotta be civil. I just wish both sides would practice a little civility.

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In Stapp's defense (and I rarely defend Stapp anymore, lol), most/all of those stories occurred during the Creed days when he wasn't very kind to anyone. If you've read first hand accounts of meeting Stapp since the break-up, I'd venture to say that 99% of them are positive. People DO change. And forgiveness is warranted when someone has changed and is sorry for what happened before.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mark a Christian? You bring up the "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" quote. You do know this goes both ways, right? Mark isn't without sin, so who is he to pass judgment on Stapp? Or vice versa? You can't use this quote to justify Mark's actions, because it does not. Forgiveness is something ALL believers in Christ must practice. Mark should forgive Stapp, period. This doesn't mean Mark needs to invite Stapp back into his life, but rather it means that he needs to let go of all the anger he has toward Stapp and just move forward.

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agreed.

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Exactly. We really don't know the extent of the damage to their relationship, or who's to blame. Some people find it easier to forgive and forget than others. It's all about perception.

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We don't, but carrying on this stupid little feud really is doing little good to either side. It's time to move on and stop fighting about the past. It's time to forgive and leave it at that.

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I don't think there's a feud at all. As I mentioned in an earlier post, you can forgive, but you don't have to be buddies. Who's to say that Mark didn't forgive him? He may have, but has chosen not to be buddies. I do believe everyone has moved on. The only people who are still fueling the so-called feud are instigators, which are some fans and radio/media people by rehashing old and bad memories (that is several years old). Some of the old Creed fans do it because they want to see a reunion and some of the radio people do it because they think controversey boosts up radio ratings for some DJs with a certain reputation.

In my own experience with people who have wronged/hurt me will sometimes try to get back in the picture, I have chosen not to allow them back into my life, because my life is different now. If I gave them the benefit of the doubt by responding to them, then they'll think that they can re-enter my life, which is what I don't want. Giving them the impression that "we're friends" again is false hope. The reason I don't want to be friends with the negative people from my previous life is because I have moved on to better things that is healthy for me. Think of your past relationships. Also think about your old jobs. If you couldn't stand your boss or your work environment, you chose to leave to find other work where you will be better off. Do you see yourself going back to something that made you unhappy? I think not.

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I'm not saying they need to be friends. All I'm saying is Mark's adding of "but I've heard it all before...I can't trust the guy" was unnecessary. Same with the things he's said in previous interviews about Stapp. I understand they're asked constantly about Creed, and I think, at this point, a simple "we're not going to comment anymore on the past" is sufficient. The same goes for Stapp.

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I've got news for you, Mark isn't the only one saying "I've heard it all before...I can't trust the guy" Scott's old fans are saying it too especially when he say's "I've changed." But it's all water under the bridge.

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Obviosly.

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nagpo your a nag shut yo lips you charlie murphy.........

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Creedmarine, let's keep the disagreements limited to the topics. Personal attacks aren't tolerated here.

Titan, I see your point, but I'd rather he at least be honest about how he feels, rather than cover up his feelings with pat, predictable safe answers. Maybe he hasn't been able to move on. Maybe he's still angry and bitter.

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:lolsign:

seriously tho, i loled.

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I don't see why he has to bring it out into the public, though. I mean, I don't blame him for being angry and bitter about how things played out. I would be, too. But I think he'd be more respected if he took the high road and let that anger stay private.

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nagpo baby im just being cool man nothing personal........ forgive me broda? dogstar.. why you get so pissed off....... you dont even know me.. we always have these serious convo's but it doesnt hurt to try to laugh with one another every now and then.... take a chillz pillz mon....us from jamaica just lookin for a good time amongst ourselves..........

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Well, Stapp made things quite public with is Chicago performance, which might have been the straw that broke the camel's back for Mark. Now, at first they kept it all quiet and private, but maybe he just got tired of the endless queries from the media. I do blame the media for not letting it go, but Creed was a big band at the time and more than a few people (read some of the old posts here) really wanted to know what was up. I'm not making excuses for the media or the hunger the public seems to have for the private details of celebrities' lives, but it is what it is, and the man has a right to answer the questions honestly, especially when Stapp makes public overtures about reconciliation and the love he supposedly has for his former band mates. For all we know, his public comments may be his taking the high road. They may be a lot tamer than what actually happened.

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Ehh, I'm not pissed off; I'm just reminding you about the protocol here, is all. :) Sometimes humor doesn't show through in a post :D.

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true dat dogstar....... nothing personal... its all good...... with arms wide open broda

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fuck it screw mark.. i dont know about you all .. ever sit down and watch them videos .. the guys in the band besides stapp you could see jealousy written all over their face.. lets face it guys.. if scott stapp never came out with tremonti, and phillips .. they would never have made it to the big time... creed was the right combo, time and place... for tremonti and phillips to move on thats cool and all but get to the root of shit and bring yourselves back down to earth.. yeah we all know stapp fucked up but common who doesnt... even if you want to never hang with the guy again.. try and remember the good and not just the bad.. we as a human race only want to see the bad and all the good seems to dissappear.. scott stapp has done many good things in his life... for one bringing music so people like me and you guys can air out on a website about some awesome music for one.. we need to stop bashing the guy.. he sings good.. he performs awesome. (ive seen him live) and he has a good heart when it all comes down... im sorry but im sick of mark and the others trying to make their move more then creed... it never wiil and never can.. creed was magic for the time it was out there and will always be.. if people talk down on them then their full of shit.. listen to the words the music and soak it up... its good stuff and positive words through the hard times... i dont care what anyone opinions or says if creed got back together it would mean so much to music cuz quite honestly right now rock needs someone or some band to step up....... sorry tremonti your one of the best guitar players ever.. and yeah myles can sing but he is not scott stapp and he never will be.. your song died out in this area of california the first week it came out and i havent heard you guys on our rock station for about a month.. give it up you guys arent creed and never will be as good.. i can say for my comments i dont care if i get kicked off.. i love creed.. they were good and if you dont like my opinions then oh well ... this website is called "CreedFeed" not alterbridge so if you choose to let me go at least i left saying and sticking for what i believe in... god bless and thank you creed for all the words and good times. god bless creedfeed .............

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Umm, has anyone seen this?


Very interesting.

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Indeed.

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Hence, never say never ;). Still, though, I wouldn't hold out much hope for it.

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I see it happening, and I think I've said it before. Time heals a lot of wounds. Look at Van Halen. Look at the Eagles. Look at the Police. Look at Led Zeppelin. All are bands that broke up (in VH's case, they simply didn't get along with the singer for a while...) and have recently begun touring again. I can see Tremonti, Philips and, yes, even Marshall, becoming more and more willing to give Stapp another shot...at least for one last tour. Now the question is, if it really doesn't happen for another 10 years, will people care enough for it to actually happen? I mean, obviously, Creed won't go down as a legendary rock band, so it's not like any record label (or WU...if they're still around) would just scoop them up right away. There'd have to be enough of a fanbase left for such a reunion to, financially, happen.

The question, I think, is not whether it'll happen, but when it will. And I think it's all going to depend on Alter Bridge's success. If BB and the next CD do not sell well, I could see this reunion tour happening a lot sooner than 10-15 years from now. But if AB really does stay a band for a long time, I can't see a Creed reunion for a long time, either. Unless, of course, Mark softens his stance.

So what do I want? Well, first and foremost, I'd like for both parties to be happy with whatever they're doing. I LOVE Alter Bridge's music and have a fond appreciation for Stapp's. So, really, I'd be happy either way. But if a Creed reunion DID happen, I'd be at the very first show, regardless of where it is.

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Oh, I'd be there as well, if nothing else than for curiosity.

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For me it's more of a sentimental reason. I never got to see Creed live. It's one of the regrets of my life. ;)

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I hope it doesnt happen for a very long time as I love AB alot more than Creed. I'd hate to see them abandon Myles just to join Stapp for a silly reunion tour.

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They wouldn't have to "abandon" him just to do a Creed reunion tour. They could do the tour, and then go right back to Alter Bridge. Myles could take a few months off, or possibly do a side project while Creed would be touring.

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Titan, I definitely understand your wanting to see the reunion. The shows I saw were great, I must say.

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Yeah, it'd be cool, but after just having went to an AB concert last night, I am perfectly content with the way things are. If they never reunite, it's fine by me.