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I do not believe I was cynical. The foreign policy of the USA was always directed against communism or socialism spreading and instead putting in governments or supporting them, who had economic ties and where politically allianced (is that a correct word?) to the USA, whether they were democratic or dictatorial. Maybe nowadays there is more of a tendency to democracy, but the primary target still is that they are not becoming or being anti-USA.

Hamas cannot be a partner to foreign governments as long as they don't accept the right of Israel to exist and they cannot accept that, because it would make them totally unbelievable to those who elected them, they are between a rock and a hard place, but they will hold on to their support, because they will claim the same thing you do now, that they were not given a fair chance.

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In 1979 the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. However, it was not until 1984 that Osama bin Laden actually made an impact. He started Maktab al-Khadamat (MAK) ("Office of Order" in English). It was not a militant group, but instead it funneled money to Afghan fighters. While some people accuse Pakistan and the United States... there hasn't been any substantial proof to put any truth to this claim. The U.S. only sent aid to Afghan fighters... not Osama bin Laden's financial network. If any money went to MAK it was more than likely through indirect means. Upon Soviet withdrawal bin Laden split from MAK and established the militant group Al Qaeda. Therefore, for you to say that the United States directly funded bin Laden is baseless. Besides, bin Laden had was born into an extremely wealthy Saudi family with immense connections... bin Laden could have very easily established a militant network without any American dollars... and he did so in the very last stages of the Soviet war in Afghanistan. Bin Laden's status as a militant leader wasn't established until the war was about 95% finished. So... accusing the U.S. of funding a non-existent Arab terror network and a millionaire Saudi doesn't seem plausible.

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Well if Islamic extremists are carrying out against innocent people in the name of your prophet it would make sense for people to question the fundamentals of your religion. The religion that was here before Christianity and Islam was Judaism... I don't know if you were referring to that. That actually brings me to my next point... for being a primarily anti-Semitic religion... Islam is merely a descendent of Judaism and Christianity. Explain to me where this hatred comes into play. The Islamic empire in the Middle East has had TERRIBLE relations with the rest of the world. The Muslims invaded Spain and waged war on Christianity at that point... and that pretty much prompted the Crusades (and the Reconquista in particular) and Catholic retalliation.

Israel has every right to exist. At least recognize the holy significance of Jerusalem has to Jews and Christians. How would you like to have Israeli bombs blowing up Mecca? I doubt that would sit well with you. Look at the entire picture. Israel was a nation for Holocaust survivors... people who could finally live in peace in their holy land. Instead... they have to deal with Islamo fascists telling them that they don't have the right to exist. Israel is one tiny country in a sea of Islamic states. The population of Israel is about 7 million... in contrast to the roughly 200 million Muslims in the Middle East. Obviously there are quite a few of Muslims who are unwilling to coexist judging by the amount of Palestinian suicide bombers who attack innocent Israelis... non military targets. We already know of the aggression towards Hindus in India. Today, someone set off a bomb at a Hindu temple in India killing at least 15 people and wounding at least 22 in the process.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4782618.stm

Wow... what a threatening target... holy, peaceful Hindus going to their place of worship.

The other day, at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill... some college student of Iranian descent ran down fellow students with his car because he wanted to avenge the treatment of Muslims and said that he was "thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah." Apparently Allah wants Muslims to carry out terrorist acts against non-military targets. Apparently Allah is telling people to be cowards.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,186946,00.html

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chase ............i admire ur reply............. but u see........... u and i dont see eye to eye on many points....u said...............islam had wars and muslims invaded coutnryies.............dats true...........but ur point is just one sided.......i mean.........in early days of islam.......... the other religions......dat were more powerfull and dominatiing..........had itself raged wars against islam...........so in early days...........the wars fought by muslims were to defence purpose .....................ahh....as far as bad relations of middle east is concerend................ if u just take the current senarios......... the main issue is the israeli palestenian issue................ ur absolutely right........ israles have every right to exist............ but so does palestinean people who have suffered long enough know man..............dey have suffereed to and exteent dat people are villing to do sucidde bombing.........and for me.........dats the extereeme action any one could ever take................. i mean............ when suicide bombing comes in to play........dayer is no religion invollvved................ its just poor misery.......helplessness...hatred.....and preferecne of deeath over life............. a child who has seen hatred for the other side since the time he was born and has witnessed looss of loved ones can only be willing to dod dat........... Islam stickly prohibits self killing .........to sound more politically............ i believe the only soulution to many world problems is to first eliminate all the occupations all around the world................. israle should move back to its early boraders......and then ull see dat all muslims will (atlest for Pakistan i can say) will acknoldge israles.......our president did recently visited Israel.................. man..........u know........ today the world is in such shape............. dayer is so much hatered all along................ the least we can do is to try to remove hatered dat is cause only by false generalisationn.............. i mean...... the example u quoted of the iranian students........... idunno hte facts ........... but that is rediculllous................all i want to say here is dat.............i have no reason to hate u..........and u have no reason to hate me........did i broke ur window pane wid my base ball?........i want u too be happy in ur country...........live peacefull and happy............and i hope u wisht the same for me............ justice and freedom will let us remain in our own very limits.............. u dont have any right to violate my circle of freedom and so doesnt i.............. but still dayer are regions dat are far from this............... it only fuels hatred if we go into more and more discrimination............. u can lable a bad guy as a muslim and then generalise it to all..........and justify lots of crime as preventive/defencive measures.........time requires us to try to do justice of hte highest degree.......wether its ur countries diecision ot invade iraq..........or not to VITO the palestinan state independence in UN councels...........or for my country to prevent all the ill-doing so called Islamic fundamentals...........dat no body i know believes in.........................damn.......... i hope i can express my self as good as you...... the truth is always always out dayer............it touches heart.........misery and sufferening of all human beings effects ohters ....irrespective of relgion....creed.........place or time..............all i am saying is dat we should no think in terms of who belongs to us and who belongs to others................if osama is in afghanistan.....we can bomb afghhanistan hopin hell die.........and alll his helpesrs...........and dont care if a civilian afghani dies.......but wont do the same if u find out osama is in New york....so bomb new york and dispense few americans................... i want to see justice and reson................based on rationalism reflecting sincere goodwill and healthy co-existance for the future..........self motivated......politically greaced........ well hidden agendas............we had enught of it.............. we goota OPEN OUR EYES and realise were one!!!( damn...................could have used a beter outro.....but hey...fourm related to it)

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I can only respond briefly because I was out all night and it's early in the morning. I will say this though... no one has suffered more than the Jews. Unless you can show me proof that Palestinians were mass murdered by Adolf Hitler Nazi war machine... I don't think you can make that argument. Also... Muslims invaded non Islamic regions to spread the religion... Europeans (with support from the Vatican) retaliated. The Mongols invaded Baghdad... why don't terrorists go attack Mongolia?

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yes......Muslims did invaded to spread the religoin of God ........... but the fight was for the justice.............. the places Muslims invaded are know Islamic states...........cant u see............... its only because the Muslim invations were non-violent......... and they followed strick rules of fight............ justice and security.......... the non-muslims converted to Islam............... its becuse of these invations in early Islamic history...... that whole nations of peole converted to Islam...... If Muslims did invation like US or Irael has done................ those invations would have only created hatered and further wars................... so man ................ dont keep on saying same thing again and again ........................... and yes.......... ur right............. jews have suffered .............. but man.......... why u only keep onesided view.......... why the heck are u saying that jews have suffered more and the other group has suffered less .......... we are talking about saving humanity and not some jew or palestinian............. ............ WE DONT HAVE TO SETTLE NO GODDAM SCORE (creed song ......remember!!!....we all love it)........................ nodoubt both side have commited crimes agains each ohter ........... Israel till to day is executing people without trials........by just droping bombs......... and humaliating arabs......... while the palestinian youth..... keep on suicide bomibing.......... if u keep on defending ur side and i keep on mine........... man.............. if u have this point of veiw ...............and u think like this........... then i feel sorry all abut this............. we are debating to find a solution............ not settle some gaddam score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!