i was about to say that!

try looking up James 2:17. know what youre talkin about b4 you speak

in fact, read james 2:14-26. its all about works

Where to begin, where to begin...

The what was the quote taken from Joseph smith that I posted where he claimed that all you guys are gods, and the why? Cos he wanted to be like God, and that is a sin, it got Lucifer thrown out of heaven.
Yeh and it was wrong, and it was evil, and God made it very clear that He didnt want His people to be messing with that stuff.

BTW the Urim and thummin had no magic powers. They knew that.

It's in Doctrine and Covenants.

All U know is what has been written? Have U read it all? Have U read the uncut stuff? The writings change, even your statues change. Ask your leaders about the offering of Cain statue, I bet they deny it.

That comment on the clouds was lame. And heaven aint the planet Kolob. Theres nothing in the Bible that says that.
Listen, I know that U are an intelligent person. Your writings show this, but you need to research the history of your faith alot more.

LOVE? What of shedding someone's blood as pardon for sin? Journal Of Discourses Vol 4 says that shedding someone's blood is loving our neighbour as ourselves! This is the history of your faith!

The papyrus fragments that U now know as The Pearl of Great Price. It seems that Egyptologists totally disagree with his translations.

The similarities are in the rules taught by the authorities, that were not the Law, just extra rules and regulations added to the truth, kinda like U guys, yeh.

Your young religion's books cannot compare with the Bible, no matter what your professor says.

I dont know what I'm talking about? Thats crazy. You are smart. use your brain! I'm worried about U! Research more, seek and U shall find.

I'll leave the quotes concerning faith without works, cos they will be answered.


The belief of many Gods, not just one God?
Which is correct? Lets have a look in your King James bible eh?
Isaiah 45:5
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me.

Isaiah 46:5
5To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?

You guys think that U will be god's right? It's not biblical dude!
Want more proof:

Isaiah 43:10
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Your doctrine contradicts the true word of God. If your god belives that anyone can be God, your god is a false god and not the God of the Bible. You are not Christian. Your Christ is not Jesus Christ, The Savior.

Here's another hour of readin 4 ya.
It would be foolish to say that magic does not have power. The fact that the mormon church still exists today proves that. No I do not like it, or indulge in it, because the bible states that it's practices are attestible to God. Joseph Smith would have read that and shouldnt have been wearing the talisman. If he was such a LEADER, he should have been setting an example! U DONT MESS WITH MAGIC!

It's not false. U have no idea about the truth of your relilgion. Your leaders are hiding the truth from you. Have they bothered to fill U in on the whole blood covenant thing, or shall I?

It's a star.

Why are U asking me? That is YOUR CHURCHES BELIEF! Where do U think I got it from???

Man are they taking U 4 a ride. If U really knew the truth, U wouldnt have anything to do with the LDS.

Again, its your beliefs. Actually, print my stuff and go ask your leaders about it and see what they say. What are U even doing listeining to Creed, arent U only allowed to listen to stuff that is church approved?

See, it seems that only past generations actually know what your faith is really about, what goes on behind your walls. I have heard firsthand about the planet thing! Why should I believe a word U say! Youre probably hiding the truth!

After Moses died, his "revelations" didnt die with him. They lasted till the new covenant. Quite a long time before it was changed. Not like U guys!

Truly, your religion is very different to the begining of mormonism. We havent even gone into the whole multiple wives on earth issue yet, which had something to do with why your Joseph died didn't it?

Joseph's prison door was left unlocked and supposedly Jo fired a pistol at some of the angry mob that was coming after him, and in the exchange of gunfire, Jo and his brother were killed, to answer your remark...

Many precious things were taken out of Joseph Smith's prophecies as well, which would have proven that he WASNT a prophet of God, and we wouldnt have this huge mess that we do today!

Who says I havent taked to your trained missionaries.

Do U call your higher leaders bishops? Well a guy up quite high in the ranks that left your church, his family left him as a result, so much for your whole family policy, has told me stuff about you guys that U dont even know yet. I hope U find the truth and the truth makes U free.

Come on come on!!!!
 

:jam: :jam: :jam: :angel: Rocking Post Sincirr :) but what hurts me the most. is that these guys Are Allright. That Got Strong Will Which I love. And its A Damn Shame That Satan Has Lead The Precious Souls To A False Mixed. Up Doctrine And Crap. But Im praying For theme Both. You have Put A lot of time sincirr your posts buddy thats Cool To God :) But let shead some. Light Which i may Be A bit Out of line. Even these Guys here Dan And H.D it sounds like there not listening At All. But Even They dont Say Here. Something Inside Of theme Is Coming Around. Its That Peace Inside us All. ;) ...Only That Peace Can Lead U To The Truth my Friends. Its That High Magic Come on Come On!!! Go Here>>> St John Chapter.14>25>31..And Sometimes There Is A Wall Of Relgions That Was Brought on B/c Hey Thats Just The Way We Was Raised!! but another Good Way To Get out Of the Wall Of Crap Is this If You Will>>St Matt>.Ch 15 Read It Guys!! And We Dont Become Gods People!! Theres Only one God like Sincirr Said From Isa. But That Does not Mean That God Does not hold his Elite Higher Than Most!!!If >>my Jesus Told A women In the Bible That He Could Not Judge Or Give Her Sons A place Beside The left or The Right Of His Father Throne He Said That Only His Father Could Give That Place!!! And Again About Faith Without Works. Yes Faith without Works Is Dead!! So Therfore if you Works Be Dead So Shall Your reward The More U Do For Gods Children The More U Have Set In his Is Favor!! But You Got To Want To!!!And Another Thing The Many Are Called!!! But The Chosen are Few!!! And There Royalty In The kingdom Of God!! which U guys Seem To wanna Be Gods but ya see The chosen does not Bost about These Things!! they Just Want Help Jesus Give His Children Life And Peace And A little Wisdom !!! To Get through life!! We try To help Each Other!!! So Guys Maybe Some One Wants To Use U Guys And Trying To Tell My Children I love You Follow Me!!! Im The Truth The way In the Life AND THERE IS ONLY ONE BOOK THATS MADE KNOWN TO MAN OF ME!!! HOLY BIBLE!!! HEs At The Door People To u Hearts In these Desprate Hours Knock And It Shall be Open!!!HE THAT HATH EAR LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRT SAITH UNTO HIM UN To The Churches!!!! VOICE AND OPEN THE DOOR I WILL COME IN TO HIM AND WILL SUP WITH HIM AND HIM WITH ME TO HIM THAT OVERCOMETH I WILL GRANT TO SIT WITH ME IN MY THRONE COME ON PEOPLE!!! EVEN AS I OVERCAME AND AM SET DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE And Again!!! HE THAT HATH AN EAR LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRT SAITH UNTO THE CHURCHES Thats mormons Too!!! And I know some of you out there got Ears Your Not Deaf!!! Hey B/c U Love Creed !!!! LOL They Just Need Whashed Out A little!!!...Be Hold I Come Quickly!!!REV 22 >Verse 7.21............PEACE Be With U all!!! :angel: ROCK ON!!!!

Well I was having a discussion today with some of my friends according this Mormon-thing and other religions too. You want to know what one of them said??? That the word Mormon translated in Chinese means "gates of hell"... how scary is that??? Just wanted to share this... No offense please!

I know!! It All Leads to Hell When Ur Away From The Armour Of God!! Were Naked And Rite Open for Hells Demons To Come And Gives us Some really Bad Days!!! thy sheild thy buckling Thy Armour!!! Which Is Sharper Than A 2 Edged Sword That protects His babys From hell gates!!! Which Is The Holybible I Got To Shutup Now. Or Else I Wont!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS U ALL!!!

Mormon was a name of the person that abridged the BOM...its not really out name. we rather be called LDS

our leaders? youre acting like our leaders are some beaucratic(sp?) organizations. i know PERSONALY some of my leaders, and its nothing like that.






if they are, im enjoying it. maybe you should join in the fun
i can listen to marilyn manson if i want to. its all about free agnecy
yeah, the law of moses, what about it?
did Abraham not have 2 wives?






ive been training to be a missionary for 6 months, so i guess you have. its not like it matters anyway, you dont listen to what we have to say.
yes we do call them bishops, but thats just on the ward level. anyway, who said families in out church are perfect. yes, we emphasize the importants of families, but satan tries all he can to destroy them, and sometimes he suceeds. i know divorced families, adn they are still strong in the church.

Read Ephesians 2:1-10 and Titus 3:3-8 and Romans 3:21-5:11, and Galatians 2-3.
I also have a question for you. If you could earn your way to heaven, why did Jesus have to die? You cant earn your way to heaven, plain and simple.

Try reading more than just one verse. The whole thing means that just because you say, "I believe in God" doesnt mean you are going to heaven. Even Satan and his demons know and believe there is a God. James 2:22 says that that your faith and actions must work together, meaning once you accept Christ, you have to start cleaning up your act and stop sinning. Although everyone that ever lived on this earth has sinned, except Christ himself. Accept Christ, and then show it, good deeds alone will not get you into heaven. Read James 2:14-26. Try not to pick one verse or part of a verse and manipulate it to what you want it to say. Read more and get the whole picture.

Lucifer was not thrown out of heaven for wanting to be like God. He wanted to force people to do the right thing. That was the opposite of what God wanted. It is not a sin to try to be like God. However, it is a sin to want to be God. There's a difference. Acting in his ways (kindness, charity, love, etc.) is not a sin.

They did not view it as a sin because it was a cultural practice. They didn't know it was wrong. They thought it healed. It was what was taught. I know the Urim and Thummum had no magic powers. As I said, they were the FOCAL point while praying. They would look at it like we bow our head, close our eyes, and either clasp our hands or fold our arms.

Give me a reference. There's a lot of stuff in there.

The only stuff that has been cut has been cut by people who are acting out against the church and trying to play with the teachings, such as what you are doing now.

Where do you believe heaven is?

[quote=Sincirr]Listen, I know that U are an intelligent person. Your writings show this, but you need to research the history of your faith alot more.
No, you need to learn the history of why things that happened did happen.

"Greater love hath no man than this, than a man lay down his life for his friends." It does not say that the way to happiness is killing people.

So what's the problem?

Laws have not been changed. Take modesty, for example. As a whole, it could mean many things. I don't think that saying today's clothing of tube tops and tons of piercings is immodest is a bad thing. Just like I said how times change, clothes do too. The world is not the same place it was 100 or even only 50 years ago. Just like how amendments to the constitution are changing America.

Parallels are everywhere in todays world tieing many religions together. Yes the Bible is the most inspirational book that is most widely accepted by the masses, and accepted by who aren't even religious, but what's wrong with more spiritual guidance?

Like I said, you know the "what" but not the "why." You can't look for doctrinal teachings in Anti-Mormon material. You can find falseness anywhere you look. You can even twist George Bush's words around and make him sound like the leader of Al Qieda.

OK.

Of course there is none as great as God and no person will ever be God. There is only one head-honcho God. We become LIKE him. We don't BECOME him.

Again, when you die, you can become A God. not THE God. You will have the power. We will forever be SERVANTS of God. We will be able to do all things LIKE him and may be commanded to, but can't go galivanting off and doing whatever we want whenever we want. And what I wrote about the Monotheistic/Polythestic views was from BEFORE the Bible was written. There's no use trying to prove it with the Bible.
I AM Christian. My Christ is Jesus Christ, The Savior. Ruler of the world as spoken of in the Old and New Testaments. He was born of Mary and Joseph in a manger in Bethlahem. He taught the will of his father when he was on earth. He died on the cross so man could live again.

Here are my questions for you, Sincirr.
1.) How did the Bible come about?
2.) (for the third time) What religion do YOU believe in?


Jesus died to open the gates to heaven. Only the most perfect could do it. No person who ever had, is, or will live on the earth was perfect enough to do such a great task.

I know. That's what I told you. You must prove your love. Just saying "I believe!" is not enough.


No, I'm not listening, because I don't listen to false information. I am only expounding on what was said to give the WHOLE story. The shame is that people don't listen. Quit saying that we believe in magic! WE DON'T! You don't need to pray for us.


Jesus taught "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." No mortal person is perfect. You are casting stones at us for believing what we do, therefore, you must be perfect. Since you are perfect, you must be God. If you are indeed perfect, than continue throwing stones at me until I am dead. The Lord will judge as he sees fit. If he finds me worshiping him in my chosen manner a sin, then let him cast me down dead it in pit of eternal fire.


H=D :note:

Oh yes. Now its my turn for a long post. Sincirr, any help or pointing out something i missed would be very appreciated. I want to be as accurate and correct as possible. I dont want to misinform anyone.


You cannot possibly believe that. Satan was not thrown out of heaven because he wanted to force people to do the right thing. Satan is evil, he wants you to do wrong, not good. He used to be an angel, but he blew it when he wanted to be like God. So God cast him out of heaven to rule hell. And no, Satan is not in hell right now. He is running around the earth getting unbelievers to do more sin and try to make believers lives miserable. But one day, after the final battle, God will win over Satan once and for all and Satan, his demons, and unbelievers will be locked in hell forever. Read Revelation.



Heaven is where you go when you die if you are saved. If heaven was on some planet, you could go there on some rocket ship, so what would the purpose of life on earth be if you could travel to heaven? There is only one way to heaven, through Christ.



If your Journal Of Discourses Vol 4 says that shedding someone's blood is loving our neighbour as ourselves I think that is absolutely stupid. It contradicts that verse that u used H-D.


Problem is that he translated it his way instead of the right way. Isnt that so convenient?



Well, the religious guidance has to be correct first of all. And you cant tie religions together. A one world religion is what will happen after the Rapture when we born-again Christians are taken away by Jesus himself up into heaven. If you are a true 'Christian' you wont compromise with the rest of the world, because what the Bible says doesnt change over time, humans change, but God and the Bible, they stay the same.



You cant find falseness in the Bible. But it seems like many things in the books the Mormons use almost always contradicts with the Bible. The Bible isnt false, so anything that contradicts it must be.



You are right about one thing, God is great and no person will ever be God. We dont become Him, nor do we become like Him. In heaven we will reign with Him as Kings. But we will never become gods. NEVER!


Again we will reign with God in heaven forever when we get there. But we will NOT become gods.

Phew! Thanks for that. I really didnt wanna have to answer all that again. Good Job. I also like baseball and playing guitar! Cool! What team U go 4? U can pm me if its the Yankees and U R scared, LOL!

I will also add that H-D's words, "You cant look for doctrinal teaching in anti-mormon material" is unfair, since I have been quoting heaps of mormon teachings.

Also H-D, I have a reference for the info on Doctrine and Covenants, but I would rather U read the stuff and know more about your faith. Please look into teaching material from Brigham Young's books, as they do contain stuff about getting your own planet, as do other books still used.

MORMONS: Listen, please. I know I've made U mad, and you hold your teaching's dear, but there are some things that you wont know untill you are imbedded in your religion far enough. You wont be told, and U will go about your faith believing that U know all there is to it, but IM SERIOUS! This stuff is true. The planet stuff is true! I know you will never believe me, or take the word of someone that has left your faith because heck, U aren't even sposed to speak to them, but I'm telling U, this guy that I know was up in the ranks! He knows what was going on!

Also, dont be afraid of non-mormon's researching your stuff and their opinions; Don't heed the warnings from other members, Cos I know that no matter what these non-Christian researchers etc. say about the bible, it's based on fact, and I'm not afraid of what they find. Some I have found confronting, but dont be afraid to research. U should be free to do so.

Also, if U decide to leave your church, the declaration that ends with, "...and I cut of all ties from Jesus Christ" is a lie. Cos the true Jesus would be waiting with His arms open.

You may hate my guts, but I wont allow U guys to work your way up and it be too late. Demand the truth from your leaders, dont be intimidated by them! Ask them about what I have said. Hate me but please do it.