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This is sad and unfair.
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Feels like the fans won't ever get the respect they deserve. Here's a post from Michael @ The pit: Quote:
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Come on, Mark and Flip didn't want to release this CD, and I think I speak for everyone when I say it's very disappointing it won't include ANY b-sides! So, we don't have to buy it, com'on! Let's turn our backs to Wind-up!
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WOW. That is very telling and surprising coming from Michael. Well, now even Michael has gotten sick of Stapp's bullshit. Let's see the Stapp fans defend this. LOL.
If the DVD content is good, this will be worth it, but they put out these greatest hits CD's for people who are casual fans and don't already have the albums. They don't put them out for the die-hard fans. I still hope for an album of b-sides and rarities, though. |
i´m agree with Michael declarations to say the truth when someone else is saying..."oh, yes we agreeded and we choose the songs together". I just think Mark & Flip are not going to promote the Cd for the matter of fact that Stapp lied saying that. I respect the guys decision and i think is a true decision without hipocresy or lucrative expectattions....they are genuine. ;)
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Come on, let's organize a boycott against this album!! The band did not want to release this and won't promote it at all!! I think we fans should stand up for the band and not buy this album so Wind-up could make more money! Who's with us?
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Not surprise by Michael attack on Stapp I already predicted that he would bash Stapp for promoting Creed CD. First of all the CD has been in the works to be released for over a year before the break up announcement and second why wouldn't they be proud of there work with Creed. Lastly I have more respect for Stapp because he is trying to have a positive outlook around such a negative atmosphere so I will continue to defend Stapp.
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So lying about the fact that Mark and Stapp sat down together and picked out songs for this Greatest Hits CD is positive?
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Seems to happen at every turn for Stapp, doesn't it...whenever he gives and interview or does something associated with HIS solo career...the anamosities seem to escalate...and the pattern is really getting old... :( as you said Musiclover...from what the public was told...the greatest hits album has been in the works for a while. People were wanting a DVD...and now they're going to get it... but of course there is no pleasing some people...you can give them what they ask for..and it still isn't what they want...they gotta have it NOW!! For those of you feel slighted because you are not happy with the choices on this album...well..lets see...LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THE ALBUM...it says GREATEST HITS...logically that would be EXACTLY what is going to be on it... On the positive side...that leaves the possibility open for a B-SIDE AND RARITIES ALBUM sometime down the line, now doesn't it...like a Now and Later candy bar....have something now and save the rest for later...leaving something to look forward to....and i feel such a thing will happen... As Michael said...it was the other 3/4 of AB that chose not to promote the idea...they made their choice...but i bet they won't turn down any royalties that come their way.... |
Ann I already told my friends to watch out that Stapp and Creed and this entire project would be bash because everytime Stapp comes out this happens and I agree if Flip and Mark don't agree to promote the project so be it but I stand by Stapp 100%
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Looking at this objectively, no where did Michael bash Stapp in his post from The Pit. He simply stated that what Stapp said wasn't true. That's not a bash, that's posting his opinion/fact regarding the issue. Also this Creed Greatest Hits album has nothing to do with Stapp's solo career? You made it seem from this paragrah that it does have to do with his solo career, or at least the info Stapp gave from his interview that it does. Also, the fans ARE NOT getting the DVD they have been hoping for. This DVD will contain music videos and live performances of individual songs. I think everyone has been waiting for a live concert DVD, which is what we were "supposed" to get way back from the Weathered tour. |
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he gave his opinion, i gave mine...just as you are giving yours, steve...but nowhere did i say he was bashing stapp...those are your words...not mine. Quote:
Possibly, it could be taken as you chose to..then again, those are your words, not mine...as i see it, stapp is out there supporting the Creed Greatest Hits album that is coming out, and making himself visiable for his upcoming solo album release. Quote:
as i said...what people are getting now..may not be what they expected...but then again...you never know what may be in the planning stage...do we?... |
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Who says Stapp did lie. It's just a matter of who you believe. |
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Yeah, I agree with Steve. PLUS Mark and Flip are against this, I say we boycott the CD!!
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Mark and AB have said alot of things that don't add up. I have there CD and support there music but I have always stated that Stapp and AB camp versions are half truth and half false with a media spin. The truth is somewhere in the middle. But I support Stapp on this issue because I think the project has been talked about for over a year and he is trying to put a positive spin on the project without adding to the negativity surrounding Creed. There are alot of fans that what a Creed Greatest Hit CD he does not need to air anymore dirty laundry in interviews. |
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LOL...you're all for a boycott??? here's a concept...if you already have this stuff...then fine...don't buy it....i believe that it will be those thousands of people that DON'T have it, that will very pleased with it... there are a lot more Creed fans than those on the internet... |
Well, I for one am NOT happy about the DVD content. I don't need to pay for videos and performances I have seen/have on my computer. I wanted what a lot of fans wanted: Concert footage, maybe some new interviews, whatever.
And DUH, I know it's a GREATEST HITS album, but other artists have added some gems (demos, unreleased songs, remixes) to their GREATEST HITS albums to entice ALL of their fans, not just the fans who didn't support the band by going to concerts and buying their studio releases (See: Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, for example). I agree with Steve that Michael was not bashing Scott, just stating his/AB's side of things. As someone else said, the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle, and I fail to see how this has anything to do with Scott's solo effort. It's part of a fulfillment of a contract with Wind-Up and it's about CREED, not Scott Stapp. |
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In regards to Stapp you stated perfectly what I was trying to express. Thank you I would not be surprise if Stapp is not happy with the CD. I have heard him mention in a interview before that WU was money hungry. |
I totally agree with Kerry!! Go Dogstar!
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I wonder if we can blame Stapp... I agree to what Kerry said, but it just occured maybe he's being forced to do it due contract issues??? :dunno
God knows what his deal to the label says... |
Actually, I could give a rat's butt who is telling the truth or not....and I think there's some storytelling going on with both sides. I really could care less.
As for as not wanting a Greatest Hits CD released in the first place. Hey...they actually don't have alot of control over the matter. They are still contractually obligated to Windup Records. Same thing happened to REM. Without their permission IRS Records decided to put out some kind of greatest hits thing, even though every band member was against it. They even refused to pose for a cover photograph and instead sent copies of old high school pictures...which I do believe eventually ended up on the cover, cause they wouldn't have anything to do with the project. But it still got released, cause their contract called for a certain number of albums and the contract will usually win. The only difference was the record company made the decisions and the band didn't. Now Alter Bridge has released their album.....but if I was still working on a solo effort and had to rely on a record company to support me when it finally did come out (and one personally, that I think does a crappy job of promoting their bands)....do you really think that it would be in someone's best interest to become a thorn in their side, and refuse to do any promotional work for another of their albums you are connected with? I don't think so. As much as some of you hate Stapp....the man is smart enough to know that its in his best interest to mention the Greatest Hits stuff along with Relearn Love, cause he's still got to get along with the record company. Alter Bridge will deal with Windup when I guess another album comes out....Stapp doesn't have that luxury. So if he is trying his best to make the best out of his own situation....do you really think he would say...."actually, the other two former members of Creed think this idea sucks the big one...and won't have anything to do with it"....it wouldn't look to good to the record company would it. Hehe.....but you guys just keep thinking about it and analyzing it....and call whoever you want a liar.....to me it just looks like takin care of business. :D |
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...or kissing the label's ass. |
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I really don't want to go this route, but summing up what Jooji said: Stapp sold out. |
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I see people saying he sold out. But I think it was a smart business move on many levels. |
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Most people would if they had a solo effort to be released in four or five months and was counting on their record company's support to promote said solo effort. Tremonti and Phillips are free to stomp their feet and pout and disagree with it all they want......they will be dealing with Windup to handle their next album all in due time. What if Windup says....ya know...they didn't play nice when we put out that Greatest Hits deal...why should we go out of our way? What I want to know is if they are so against it....why haven't they voiced that opposition? Maybe cause they don't want to ruffle any feathers at Windup....ya think? We actually wouldn't even know they aren't happy, and didn't want the release, but for Michael felt the need to tell us Stapp was lying. Doesn't mean its fair....but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. :D |
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Okay then.....I repeat.....If Tremonti and Phillips are so against the release and don't want it to happen.....why have they not stated such? Its the first I've heard of it. When they start telling people to boycott the album, cause its just a case of the record company being greedy, during concerts....it will smack of artistic integrity. :D |
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AMEN, Steve. That sums up the problem with Stapp I've had all along. It's all about him and he'll do anything to better himself. The TornDaredevil |
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I agree. It also moves everyone closer to the point that Windup no longer has any control. Let them release even another CD...wouldn't that then fulfill their contract? Then everyone could basically tell them where they could put that contract, and go on their merry way. Anybody ever thought its a way to finally ditch the record company? That story about REM....REM later ditched IRS Records...and signed with another major company.....for some astronomical amount...unheard of at the time. |
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I wasn't talking about AB; I was talking about Scott Stapp. He's the one supposedly mentioning the Creed release, right? And it may come up publicly for AB at some point. The news about the Creed release and its contents is still traveling. |
If Mark and Flip say "No, you can't release this" they would problably get sued, 'cause they have a deal with Wind-Up.
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Well, I'm not going to boycott anything.... :D I'm looking forward to getting it! Hmmm, wonder since Mark, Phillips AND Marshall (since we was with the band for a period of time) are so against this cd...if they will tell Wind Up that they (the label) can keep any royalties they (the band members) may be entitled to.
Plus too, they could always give a statement to the press about how against it they really are. That would make it official, because right now...all we have stating that they aren't in agreement with it is cause Michael says so. I mean, if that's the way Tremo, Phillips and Marshall really feel, why not just say so...what could it hurt :D |
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With everything you reply to with Mark always stabbing Scott in the back and badmouthing AB. Do you honestly believe that they actually sat down and picked the music for this CD. This breakup was done long before it was ever announced. |
Yeah, I don't think they sat down and picked out songs, and I don't believe they keep good contact, he is lying, and I don't know why!
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Honestly hockeymom97 I think its truth and lies are from both Stapp and AB and the truth is somewhere in the middle. |
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