Originally Posted by Light is Life

I really don't believe in this theology that says that human race is violent by nature, when Jesus clearly demonstrated in the Gospel that man would have to relearn the virtues of infancy to enter the kingdom.

The world corrupts the souls of men, and men corrupt their own souls. If you don't have faith in God, the world will be much bigger than you, and it will swallow you. If you don't have faith in yourself, you will be what the world wants you to be.

I was wondering what made me walk so lost all those years... I had no one to show me the way, no one to make me believe that God loves me, no one to tell me to believe not in this world. Empty and lost I was born, trusting in my parents and believing in this world. Later I was born again, empty but saved, trusting in God only and believing in the kingdom.

One thing I've seen clearly. All this mediocrity and tendencies of this world are what made me walk my first spiritual step. I just wanted another direction when I found myself full of darkness inside and seeing only darkness outside. And then I tried to love light rather than darkness.

I don't believe that the problem is Adam, I believe that the problem is everyone. Everyone is born of the flesh, and everyone needs to be born again of the Spirit later. I think that even Adam needed to be born again, but he followed the same way that we all followed, and then God remembered him "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return", so that Adam could meditate and trust in the Spirit rather than flesh. But he and his descendants(everyone) didn't pay attention to the word of God, and the world was created:

"And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. "
Genesis 6:12,13


The world will change when all men meditate on this word "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return", because they will understand that if they put their confidence in this visible body, sooner or later they will decay and be over. But if they put their confidence in the invisible Spirit, they will be eternal. I used to feel me as a living body, but now I feel as a living spirit.


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A cross: vertical meets horizontal. Those who have their sights set on earthly things vs those who have their sights set on heavenly things.

They can kill my body, but they can't kill ME.
Spirituality VS bestiality: The beasts don't even notice that while they kill bodies, they kill their own souls.

Jesus showed that there's return from fleshly death, through his resurrection. But watch the demons full of indignation and wrath and God will show that there's no return from spiritual death.

Spiritual death is what awaits those terrorists and all stupid spirits.


We must clarify that Jesus was forgiving the sins of humanity, and not of inhumanity. It had been good for those men if they had not been born.

Originally Posted by Ann Allusion

basically, Light Is Life....man is violent when taught violence...and kind, loving, etc. when taught in kind...

my origional comment of the human race IN GENERAL being violent in nature is seen every day...

no one can come to God except by their own devices...no one can make them do it...it must be something that each individual is ready to do in their own time...not the time of others....we can learn the motions...but the cup can not be filled when the pitcher is empty...and that is what it's like when we know of God...but do not accept what is being offered...

we as human beings need to learn what is out there and make a consious choice to follow the path of God, as Christ said, seek and ye shall find...and until we do that, we just don't really understand...i believe that God is also infinite patience...and we all know that good things come to those that wait.... :)

your journey sounds like it has taken you to where you NEEDED to go...and you should be at this moment...some of us take longer than others to get there, but it's always a "personal" trip and we never stop on our spiritual journey's...for everything we learn/ have learned is of benifit to us.

Originally Posted by Ann Allusion

i would suggest not to listen to everything you hear about this movie...there is a definite intimate story line....and it does give one an idea of WHO Jesus was through the use of flashbacks....there are not many, because i believe that Mr. Gibson was concentrating on the story he was presenting....not the events leading up to that point.

I felt the imagery was awesome...for instance the last scene...when Christ says, "Into your hands Father, I commend my spirit"....all the while a major storm had been brewing...there is an aerial shot, looking down from above...and at that moment....a raindrop fell from the sky...when it hit the ground...it caused an earthquake...and the Temple was destroyed...

It's true that the violent scenes stood out...but there was so much more going on...and if one watched this movie with the expectations of violence, as many had heard and read about, the beauty of what Mr. Gibson was showing as a whole could easily be lost...it is a well woven story of the strength of faith.

The human race, by nature is violent...just as portrayed...today's society would like to believe that they are more civilized, that they wouldn't repeat what they saw in this movie, or what they have read in the Bible..when in reality, human nature, in general still contains the same tendencies that were portrayed at the time of Christ...and like with a lot of things, history would tend to repeat it's self...

Does it not happen daily on a smaller scale?...if you think about it...dear reader, i'm sure you will know what i mean.

the whole idea, as i saw it, was to show this violence as raw and painful as possible in order to give a better understanding of what Jesus endured for the human race as a whole...and still God forgives our sins. Possibly what bothers people about the violence is the fact that it brings home the realization that we need to learn compassion, forgiveness and most of all love.

Because isn't that what it's all about....doing the best we can to live our lives by following Jesus' example...keeping the faith...and learning to love in an unconditional way our brothers and sisters...as we are all Gods Children.