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Dictate???? God!!!!! RELAX Chase, RELAX!!!!!

Hey..I was JOKING about the confusion thing right? Honestly i dont rememebr if your courageous president survived or not...but of course if he dies is for a very good cause , isnt it ? He paid with his own life to save the whole world!!!! :rolleyes: But believe me or not (hey make your choice Im not dictating ...lol) every person out of america saw this movie as the exactly way Im saying .... This is the image your country has all over the world...and guess 'who' has been passionately contributed to reinforce this image? ???:rolleyes:
Well you said you are planning to visit Europe this year, isnt it? So you'' ll can see that Im not lying...

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I cant believe Sean Penn said this stupidity!! Hey ...are you going to (finally) realize that I dont love Saddam?

But i dont think they were condening Bush instead of Osama...(no Susan Sarandon, please ! )

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I understand your point ...but you never understand mine...anyone can see that: you are constantly saying Im pro Osama...like terrorists and was pissed off because Saddam was in a prison cell...:rolleyes:

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The Hollywood norm ???
A movie like "Brokeback mountain" goes directly against the so-called norm of conservative America, last time I checked the majority that voted that idiot into office for a second term.
So I think it's braver to make a movie that goes against the way the majority feels and not one like Gibson's, who only reenforces the madness of the myth that JC was.

And btw Michael Moore received awards all over the world, just because you don't like the message, it doesn't make it a bad film, it doesn't make it absolute truth either, but it sure reflects in a good way the feelings that a whole lot of people in and outside the US have towards your current leader.

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Haven't seen it either, but I do feel it addresses something that's need to be adressed that is indeed morally contemptible, the way a intolerant society can push people into relations, that will end unhappily, because they can not be true to their real selves. In other words homosexuals shouldn't be socially enforced to try heterosexual relations, it won't work for either partner in such a relation. Consenting adults should be free to choose the partner of their choice.

And Ana, you do have a good point. I have no problem with homosexuals, but still to watch 2 men kissing passionatly or even more, gives me the heebie-jeebies, every heterosexual man has a homophobe in him, some show him more openly than others.

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Lots of people believe in God and don't have a problem with homosexuality. I understand why you feel your religion prohibits it, so don't do it, but don't force the viewpoint of your religion upon others and as homosexuals support your viewpoint to choose the partner that's right for you, show them the respect to do the same for themselves.

No biological importance for homosexuality? You gotta be kidding. How many people choose to enter a relationship, because of the biological importance?
So you also see no reason for women to start a relationship after menopause, or for women who had a histerectomy or man who are not fertile?

Fot the third reason, I have never seen any proof that suggests that STD's are more passed over by homosexuals as by heterosexuals, but I am no authority on that. I would advise the use of condoms for both, at least if you're not having sex for biological importance, but I guess that is/will be the only reason for you to have sex.

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Thanks Ralphy, this is what I always trying to say to Chase.

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I agree with your views -homosexual people in major of the times need to live a 'double life' -what is too unfair and sad.


Its cultural Ralphy, my best friends are homosexuals and I really cant see any problem concerning to way they live their sexual lives....they are both great people, but even for me it was 'unconfortable' tthe first time I saw one of them with his boyfriend.

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i'm pretty sure Chase was trying to draw a distinction between what Hollywood produces and what the majority of Americans (albeit a slight majority) believes.
a myth, you say? the Bible accounts for alot. plus, both Jews and Muslims hold Him to be a great prophet

by the same token, just because some international film societies and certain leaders are hopelessly liberal doesn't mean that they're right. imo, sensationalism sells, and that's all it is.

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i love how you try and twist everything i say into some crappy, extreme liberal rhetoric. "true to their real selves?" what bullshit is that? they are the only ones stopping them from being true to themselves. there's always been people in history unafraid to go against a social norm, so why should society suddenly be seen as intolerant and calloused and allegedly indifferent towards differences that people may possess? just some liberal cop-out of a defense that doesn't really require putting any actual thought into a position.

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i can't speak for Chase, but I consider myself to be a religious man: I've attended church regularly from my youth, and my girlfriend has helped to reinvigorate my relationship with God. i also tend to possess conservative views when it comes to social issues such as these. for one, I do see a problem in the way they live their sexual lives (not only in homosexuals, but in millions of others who have premarital relations, etc.). also, to be a bit crude, the parts aren't exactly interlocking. in my belief, our sexual (reproductive) organs were created only for reproduction (not to please ourselves, or others, as many might believe), and that gay sex naturally breaks this "rule."

people may also point to homosexuality in other animals as evidence that it's perfectly natural to occur in people. unless i'm mistaken, animals aren't exactly capable of high forms of reasoning. so, that extrapolation would assume, then, that humans, likewise, are incapable of such reasoning. i'm pretty sure the opposite is true. God also created man to be lord over the beasts; similarly, sinful man has a beastial nature (that is, a desire to ignore certain qualities that make us distinctly human).


i'm not denying that homosexuals can be nice people. i've worked with more than just a few over the past few years, and i talk with and to them regularly, just as with any of my other co-workers. i know i've said this before in a previous debate on the same topic, but we should love the sinner, and not the sin.

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I really think that love cant be ruled...but anyway I tried to say that I REALLY love my homosexual friends the exact way they ARE,btw I was up to now working with both at school (they are excellent professionals WITHOUT any problem) Homosexuality has nothing to do with character and this is certainly the most important thing to me. I choose my friends not by their sexual orientation.

And also I cant understand wahts the problem of pre-marital relations...

and why sex is always recognized with a 'dirty' and sinful thing when sex is a complement for LOVE??!!!

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Oftentimes, sex isn't a complement of love. As a Christian, I believe that God commanded for sex to take place between a man and his wife: there exists little doubt that they would love each other. However, today, people often confuse "true love" with more of an infatuated love. Do two high schoolers have a grasp on what love is, if they say they love each other? In my experience, no. To me, the mind of most 14-18 year olds doesn't quite grasp what exactly love is, and what it entails. They think it's just sort of a feeling you get when you're around someone, or missing someone when they're gone, etc. People, both in high school and college, take this false conception of what love is and take the next step: the belief they're ready for sex. Unfortunately, it's not quite so emotionally fulfilling when you realize that perhaps you don't really love this other person.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8a (NIV) reads as follows:
"Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails."

So, in my opinion, if you can honestly and truthfully say that you believe each and every one of these things about your relationship with your significant other, then it's love. If not, then you're more likely dealing with an infatuated love, in which obsession and lust (and perhaps sex) dominate open, honest communication, among these other things.

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Im not even considering teenagers 14-18 who are certainly emotionally instables, and not aiming an one-night stand ...I was talking about TRUE LOVE (which is different from Passion) when you are sure you are so involved with that person that you need to express this feeling and yes SEX is a complement to it, a natural complement to love. Its one of forms of expressing your TRUE LOVE!

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Oh man...these are the most beautiful words in Bible.And even though Im not a very religious person I love them. Thanks for posting this. ;)


PAssion - Suddenly appears. Its almost a madness. Its momentaneous and quiclky disappears. Ephemeral.

LOVE - Its a strong and lasting feeling. Its more safe and serene, what grows little by little, Solid.


In passion - you idealize that person...when you love someone you accept that person the way he/she is.

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Insteresting and accurate definitions of LOVE:

http://www.iep.utm.edu/l/love.htm#H2

In English, the word 'love', which is derived from Germanic forms of the Sanskrit lubh (desire), is broadly defined and hence imprecise, which generates first order problems of definition and meaning, which are resolved to some extent by the reference to the Greek terms, eros, philia, and agape


In Portuguese we have the word 'amor' -that comes from the latim word 'amore' (in roman mithology Amore was the Venus son : Cupid god of passion and desire). And 'caridade' - charity (from caritas -maxima caritas - grande amor/ big love) is the word equivalent to the agape love (spiritual) .;)