the random political thoughts thread!!
 

for starters...gun control...good or bad?


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well, it depends on what you're saying. i believe in gun control to the extent that people can carried unconcealed weapons around in public, and that existing background checks and what have you are a good thing. but i also believe concealed weapons should be legalized

I got me a gunrack in my volvo. I always said someday when I'm rich, I'll have a volvo w/ a gunrack in the back, and I'll be damned if I can't have my guns in dat car wit me. No seriously, like bearfan said, there need to be certain stipulations, etc. Everyone has the right to own a gun.

same here

Oh boy you guys are opening a HUGE ass can of whoop ass!!!! :flee:

Its done on purpose.

Anyone that actually uses one of these things to kill someone should be penalised big time whether the person dies or not. If the gun laws are tougher, their sentence will be tougher. Bring it on!

I believe gun control is a definate positive, being safety locks, proper handling and storage and use, and extensive back ground checks of purchasers. Stricter laws = stricter enforcement. If you have a gun, know how to control it, and more importantly, know how to control yourself when handling it. Loaded or not.


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here we go again

everyone should be able to own a gun. however, i think that the people who sell guns should have the right not to sell a gun to someone who they know will misuse it. but the constitution says that we have the right to bear arms. the fagot liberals in congress say that guns kill. no they don't!! people kill!! not freaking guns!!

I agree! You're my kinda guy, American Bad A$... you got a name?

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is it time for a new topic?

how about abortion?

against any form, save for cases in which rape can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt (not like this Kobe case, in which I feel the girl is just a gold-digger, claiming rape in an instance of consensual sex).

i don't think it is right even in a rape situation. sure the kid is unwanted, but it didn't do anything wrong, so why do we have thr right to kill it? we don't have any such right. the only reason that people commit abortion is because they are to selfish to care for a baby. there is no other real reason.

Gun Control:

If everybody was mature enough to use them, there would be no reason to control it. But since people are far from being mature, I'm think the harder to get one, the better it is. Besides, they should "control" the black market, not the ordinary one. We don't live in strawberry fields to let people buy it as they buy bread.

Abortion:

oh, oh... I don't have an opinion on this matter. It's so freaking complicated.

I think you need an opinion on this matter. but...tell me why you think it's complicated.

-about guns-


to bad in the states there are over 11 thousand gun murders a year,

more than 10x more gun murders than ANY other country in the world.


oh gee guess what, its also the country that promotes gun usage more than anyone else.

k have fun with ur little pistols, but when your moms head gets blown off by a man who wants her car, dont come crying to me.

Guns are to much power and that power is abused constantly, people (in gernal) are to stupid to hold the responsibility of a gun. IF that wasnt true, then there wouldnt be 11 thousand innocent people (more than 2 Sept 11s) dieing every year because of them

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You must be a man right??? That will explain that comment! :mad1: You have obviously no idea what you're talking about! Please don't tell me that the majority of the americans think THAT way!

I'll agree w/ you that people are inherently stupid. But there are courses and gun safety laws and all that. And your little comment, which I've quoted above, I find quite interesting. See, these right to carry concealed weapons laws would also allow my mother to whip out a gun and shoot the offender in his nuts or something like that. You really do like taking the worst, extreme case possible very often, don't you? And what's with the "dont come crying to me". To me, that's quite disrespectful.

Thought I might throw this little article your way, X.
http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/...us.canada.html

tell me where it says in the bible that it is okay to kill a baby that is unwanted, and un asked for. in al lthe situations where rape has occured, the woman had a baby, and more often then not, that baby became a great nation. it is not lawful to kill an innocent baby.

X - i give you that, there are a bunch of stupid people that don't know how to control guns. or is that they they don't care?? these are the freaks who don't give a damn.

should all the innocent people not be allowed to own guns becayse of the few who will not do it properly. that is socialism!!

Oh no... the bible! I don't even go there! Don't want to offend you bad a$...
I'm livin' in the here and now... not some 2000 years ago! Don't get me wrong... everyone has it's own right to religion! I have a very outspoken meaning of religion that's all! Tell me were in the bible it says "you should rape"?? Is someone who rapes a woman that holy? I guess not, so a child of a rapist can't be good either... according to the bible it must be a "bad seed".
I love to hear what the bible says in that case, clear me up please!

But you're a guy right? That clears a lot to me!

Personally, if I went through it, I would find it so hard, mainly because I would be concerned as to what it would do to the child if I had to tell them that they were concieved from a rape. From the accounts told by some women that have been in that situation, its so devistating!

As a Christian, I firmly believe that abortion means killing someone, cos of Jeremiah 1, and I will leave the rest of the bible stuff up to aba$, but being in the situation of being raped, oh man! I dont know what on earth I would do! There's emotions involved that a man could never understand. Especially concerning having a remnant of that man growing inside of her, U know? It's so hard!

Many women have said that they didnt want to bear a child to a rapist and have to look in his/her eyes and see him every day. That's understandable.

Also : I know this is gonna sound bad, but people have their own choices to make in abortion as a whole. Now I dont know if U have heard of the coathanger stories of backyard abortions and stuff, but though I don't agree with abortion, perhaps for those who are on a different journey in life and dont mind, it may be better that it is done in a more professional way?

yes, i am a guy, and i know that there are things that go through a womans mind that i can never understand, but don't be sexist.

i hate it when people say that the bible doesn't apply because it was written over 2000 years ago. that is retarted. religion doesn't grow old. it never becomes, nonapplicable. the bible says that all scripture is beneficial for teaching, reproof, training in righteousnesss...and so forth. rape is wrong. i was am not condoning it and neither is the bible. i don't know where you got that from. a child from rape is not "bad seed" where did you find that?

i understand that you have a very outspoken meaning of religion. but this country was founded upon christianity and god, and the bible. but that is another topic.

Now that's just crossing the line! I'm a male, but I agree w/ abortion in the case of rape. Now, granted, I disagree w/ it in all other instances. But it's a responsibility you must take on for essentially being irresponsible. And the father should be a part of it, too.

This wasn't meant as a sexistic remark! Just to know were you come from. Sincirr understands that from a woman's point of view.



Then let me be "retarded" just because I don't follow like sheep :baaa:

Let me tell you a great story and then let's see how it will be told in let's say 2000 years?? Things do change! At first birthcontrol was something bad, but the pope now agreed with it in Africa. So the pope is admitted to change whatever the bible says? That makes no sense to me.. That (among other things) made religion to me something to not take that serious anymore. I was born Catholic. But I'm obviously not practicing it!






Well actually that was a question from me to you : How does the bible refer to a rapists seed??





I live in the Netherlands... I always found it great: The way that people get strength, power and love out of what they believe! Honestly! But it's not the only thing that's RIGHT! People can believe in so many different ways...

I do believe... but not in a certain religion! It's got no specific name, no specific rules, no specific bible... It's kind of a feeling. A very positive one though... that strenghtens me.

Just one more question... what has the bible to say about birthcontrol?? That's murder too actually... killing all those eggs and seeds! That's life too! So how consequent is religion?

Ok I wasn't too careful with my opinion... I didn't ment to generalize it! Sorry for that but... IMO the only person who can make that kind of remark must be a male! Because from a woman's kind of view it wouldn't have been stated like that!





Oh you're so right on that one!!!

Im glad we got this thread got started, but im going to keep my finger hovering over the "close button". Keep it clean, lets have fun.

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Ok my turn;

Gun Control
I have a gun and I have a permit... hell im even NRA so my I do not believe that guns should be banned. When you ban something of this magnatude you create a black market for it. But on this issue I do believe that there should be more than just a background check when buying a gun. When I got mine my background check came out clean.... fuck, I'm 18, of course it was gonna be clean. In Texas we have the right to carry concealed weapons and the majority of the population does have a gun. Even with that most, if not all, of our yearly gun related crimes are caused by those with NO permits.

Abortion
I don't believe it and I dont see a reason as to why it should be justified.... but thats me. There are a lot of good reason as to why an abortion might be the answer, but just the thought makes me cringe. I understand in the case of rape and health complications, but just because shes 16 and 'didn't know' doesnt fly in my book. Its not just between a woman and her doctor. If i were about to become a father i believe i should have equal say. Bearfan was right about the responcibility part, if you do the crime you gotta do the time (If someone can find a better one, please post it).

To X
I completely understand that we have more gun murders and violent crimes in our country, but those are due to a select few of idiots. But guess what, theres one more thing that Canada has that we do not.... cartels! Canada has a big drug cartel problem, way bigger than anything we have here. Fun fact for you, The majority of the narcotics that are smuggled into the United States are not from Colombia, Mexico, or any other Latin American country. They are grown and imported from Canada. The world regards Canadians as "American's, only with the guns"... now we know why, because you guys are too fucking baked. Also, beer is stronger in Canada than in the states. I take it that means the women also appear hotter in Canada than in the states. How fucked up and ugly are you women... when you you have to result to making strong alcohol?

Okay. Where do i start? first, i am not catholic. i don't have to answer to the pope, he is not god, and he definately is not infallible. whoever came up with that statement is in hell right now. catholism is too full of holes in their theology, and too many false doctrines, and so forth. i just took a class on it, and i know. i am full of info on the subject. but i don't want to get into that.

birth contro: it is not killing. it is not an abortion pill. it doesn't kill the egg and spearm. it stops the sperm from even getting to the egg in the first place. it doesn't "kill" anything. therefore, birth control is fine. abortion on the other hand is not fine.

things change, but not religion. god is constant and unchanging, therefore, so is this religion. look throughout the past of catholism, changes, changes, changes.

i didn't know that that was a question for me. how and i suppsoed t otknow that you are asking me if a rape nany is "bad seed?" i didn't know...sorry. well, it is not bad seed.

people don't have to believe in what i belive. they can be wrong if they want to. i am not gonna push my religion down someone's throat that obviously doesn't believe it, and i would expect everyone else to do the same to me.

abortion is never permitted in the bible. and if you don't like that for a reference, sorry. that is where i am going from. if you can't accept that because "religions change, and it is 2000 years old" that is your opinion. but again, you can be wrong if you want to.

i don't know if i left out anything, but i am sure i will soon find out.

mulletman - cool. i understand. sorry if i broke any of the rules.

no no no you didnt break any rules, its all good. glad you started this thread. i just barely saw this thread today and it had a lot of posts on it already, so i just added the rules to your first post. sorry for the confusion.

great...thanks.

hahah you have no idea how right you are, there was a huge marajuanna bust near my area not to long ago, about 5 tonnes of the stuff, and we got kids EVERYWHERE with weed and shit, once i went to the washroom and there were ziplock bags on the ground with ashes and it smelled like shit. Honestly there are so many druggies where i am, but jujing by movies ive seen. And American beer is for pussys, Canadian beer is the real shit, not those wimpy american copys.

and everyone knows canada has the hottest women

You know, I might actually agree w/ you. Well, maybe not about the hottest women. There's some fine women from Northern & Eastern Europe and Russia. Nice, long legs, perfect forms... um, Rosy Palms and I will be back in a few.

Mail order brides! Score!

nevr been to canada. been to mexico for like 5 minutes. my dad was driving and he made a wrong turn.