Question: Are/Were you a fan of Creed? If so, you're very ungrateful.

I think you can be a fan of an band/artist's music, but not a fan of the person behind it. You know the saying "worship the music, not the person"? I think that applies here.

Four ambitious hard working young men made Creed successful.

Hard working? Give me a break. This isn't just Creed, though. People in the music business don't know what hard work is, and anyone who tells you otherwise is just as ignorant.

This sudden revelation that Hanson said that Mark & Co could ruin Stapp's career is new to me, this is the first I've heard of it. Who he supposedly said it to, and who got the whole thing started, I don't know, but from what your saying it seems as if it's going to turn ugly, just as everything does.

So is this the reason why AB's interviews were so negative towards Stapp?? According to BoC, that statement was made the week OYE was released.

Hanson no longer manages AB, and he no longer manages Stapp. He got paid back ten-fold for his work with Creed, and he now has his things up for sale on E-bay. I guess it's karma time. My opinions of Hanson stand as they are.

Well, some guys on here have been saying for a month(maybe more) that one of them talked to a guy close to the band(now apparently we know that it was Hanson) who said that Mark and Flip could ruin Scott's career if they wanted to. I didn't believe it, because it seems like a pretty ridiculous thing. However, I was reading a radio interview today(w/Stapp) that was done a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, I told my friend about something that Stapp said in the interview that I found to be a bit strange(FYI: a recap of the interview was posted at PBF not that long ago, and that is what I read) and my friend was kinda surprised by it. Anyway, he does this google search and pulls up something that, if true, completely changes my thoughts on the "Mark and Flip could ruin Stapp's career" thing. The thing that I read(and I do not want to start any rumors) was never posted about on here, but was briefly mentioned on PBF a few months back. There are signs that it could be true, and signs that it could be false(if that makes any sense). I'm not going to post the link or discuss it anymore, because I do not want to spread a potential lie(and it has not been confirmed as being true or false). But I'm sure if you looked at PBF, you might be able to find the topic, though the original post has been greatly edited.

Back to the original topic, though. Uncertain, maybe the guys behind Creed didn't work as hard as some bands do, but I know that the guys did work hard. Just because they didn't work as hard as some, that doesn't mean that they didn't work hard.

First, regarding Hanson selling his Creed stuff - how do you use that to draw conclusions that (a) he's poor and needs money, and (b) it discredits any work he's done for Creed? And no one here even knows who is the actual seller of the plaque. You do realize that many of those plaques are given away to radio stations, in contests, etc. Lots of people have plaques like that, and they use it to make their own loot based on the prestiege of the item.

Secondly, let's stop all the speculation on what Hanson did or did not say regarding Creed, AB, and Stapp. Unless it's documented in an article, magazine, interview, or witnessed in person, it can't be proven. Keep the rumors and speculation off the forums.

Dude, you need to chill... I was objective. I just said if he were forced to it, he had to do it. If the took one for the team, he made a decsision. But yes, I do think there'll always be an excuse for Stappy! But that's not what I said.

You need to chill and not acting like you own the place after posting 10 posts! Seriously... For your own best. Calm down a little bit, you'll just get yourself into trouble if you don't. I think Dogstar already told you to chill a little, huh?

And I would just like to add Steve's post was great, and I agree with it, almost to 100%. But I do think people should keep specualting, just maybe not in this amount.

I agree, we do need to keep that speculation off the forums. The only reason I mentioned anything was to justify myself in saying that what Hanson said could be true. Great post, Steve.

Just want to add that we all speculate based on what we've all seen and heard and derive our own, sometimes biased, opinions. And once in awhile we post on the forums. That's fine. I've done it myself in the past I'm sure. However when speculation and rumors take over the entire conversation, that's when it needs to stop. People are arguing over rumor and not fact so in essence, the arguments are pointless.

you really should do some homework before spouting crap like that out...myles' influences come from the 60's and 70's, not the 80's...and also from jeff buckley (of the 90's)

Playing music is not work. I suppose one could make the argument that touring is work, but I don't buy that. They get paid to do what others PAY to do.

Don't bother... he knows as much about singing as I know about golf.

Didn't Hanson and his former bandmates already try to end Stapp's career...with the drug Prednisone? The guy is actually lucky to be alive and still be able to sing. All for the love of MONEY.

Umm, are you saying that Hanson and Stapp's bandmates MADE Stapp take Prednisone? Woah...