Ok if it wasnt for oil, then what was it for? the invisible weapons of mass destuction? Or the fact that Iraq has absolutly nothing to america as it is, therefore america has no buisness invading and taking it over.

Obviously hes not going to jump right at the oil and make it obvious, but if you actually watched the war, you would know that oil wells were on to top priority list of securing and defending.

Of course the oil wells were top priority when we first started the war. The terrorists / rebel groups threatened to blow them up. We secured and defended them. The key word missing in your statement is controlling them. We don't control the oil wells. We simply defended them during the course of the war, and why wouldn't we? Our economy, and the rest of the world's economy relies on the oil wells.

My post is different, you're just doing the same thing those idiots at Ninja Pirate do and your Messiah, Moore. Which by the way, if you want to make your point valid, dont quote 12 year olds.

First off, that was not racist. How you got racism from that, is beyond me. Second, you write that as if American soldiers are going into buildings and shooting one by one men, women and children. Are coalition soldiers killing iraqies? Yes they are, but NOT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM the way you [and Moore] want us to believe. Coalition forces are killing the terrorist in Iraq, the same terrorist that are attacking the coalition and innocent people of Iraq. The point I made... which you clearly missed.

Second, in regards to WMD's in Iraq;

Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq
Polish troops find sarin warheads in Iraq
STATEMENT BY DAVID KAY ON THE INTERIM PROGRESS REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES OF THE IRAQ SURVEY GROUP

Its a long read X, so before you get bored and attempt a responce... lemme show you something:

With regard to biological warfare activities, which has been one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.

X , as I said in earlier post ask the Kurds if Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Also the FBI and the CIA handbook classifies anything that can kill or injure a large group would be considered a weapon of mass destruction. I for one believe flying airplanes full of fuel into buildings weapons of mass destruction. Also it has been proven over and over again Saddam helped to support and fund terrorist, Ever heard of the oil for food program? and Al Zaqarwi, the one that has been beheading people is on Saddams payroll and has been for over 7 years.

I have never been so offended in my life. X, I think you need to bow out of this BB gracefully... You are obviously crazy and totally ignorant. Please leave. Thank You. :finger:

OK I accept that. I know people wrought the system, my own country’s welfare system is not perfect either but you can’t not have one. There are too many people with legitimate reasons in need. I’m concluding from the italics used that you feel a revamp of this system is unlikely (or is too big a job) to happen which is a real shame. Are you not in favor of a government trying to improve the system? When it comes to money, I understand where you are coming from but on the other hand I have no problems with my tax dollars going into the welfare system.

Ok I know I don't know everything about America or how your systems work and I'm basing some of my opinions from an Australian perspective (we only have a population of 20 mill) so I'll shut up on American domestic issues from now on :)


Also X shut the hell up!

so true Dogstar.... he wonders why we don't pick up on his sarcasm... maybe its because he's a complete ass the other 99% of the time


I read the first sentence of his long-winded, bullshit-riddled post and gave up. i can't put up w/ him anymore. people were saying how they missed the old X when he "changed." how do you feel now?

HEY I HAVE AN IDEA, HOW ABOUT WE ACTUALLY READ THE WHOLE THREAD BEFORE POSTING??


honestly you guys bore me, obviously im at an unfair advantage with the bbs being 95% american, so it dosnt matter how true the stuff im saying is.

Fact is this.

War is the worst and lowest form of humanity one can reach.
USA is very very large on war.
Bush claims himself as a war president.
Iraqi children are slaughted in war but noone gives a shit because their iraqi (which pisses me off)
USA has no buisness going into iraq. Noone ever gave USA the right to go into other countrys and force what THEY feel is right onto them?
USA dosnt give a shit about other countrys unless it PROFITS THEM, This has been proven MANY MANY times so obviously there is a large profit to become from this (there not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, if they were world hunger would have been solved years ago)
On top of this, thousands of AMERICAN families like your own are suffering each day due to the death/perment disability of their son/daughter.

Things can be solved in more humain methods then war, Look at ghandi for example, he defeated the entire british empire and freed all of india without killing a single person.

Oh and i hate capitolism too, but only because of the suffering it brings to one side and the great wealth it brings to the other, of course were all on that "wonderful" side of beifits so we dont mind the millions of starving slaves working 19 hour shifts to make your cloths. Nope we just sit at our computers, taking every breath of life for grantid.

Now there obviously "arguments" and probly waked up ways/reasons people can "justify" and of the stuff, but one thing is for certain.

YOU CAN NEVER JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF ANY INNOCENT LIFE, NO MATTER WHO IT IS OR HOW IT HAPPENS.

Therfore the war on iraq can never be justfied, and neather can Bushes presidency.

The end



Edit: oh and now that i read my post it is kinda hard to tell im being sarcstic, so to everyone who was wondering....
I was being sarcastic, read the posts after it.

Hey, Steve, can you ban this idiot?

Ok, as usual, you've gone and put your foot in your mouth. I take exception, once again, to your views on the American military. My husband, as you may or may not know, is in the Navy, currently serving his duty in Kuwait. While his political affiliations are none of your business, he meets NONE of the criteria you've listed above. My husband had a choice, he joined because it was something he wanted to do. He is a college graduate. And he knew exactly what he was getting into when he joined.

X, I would appreciate it if you'd get your shit straight before you go opening your mouth with opinions on things about which you have NO CLUE.

Also, there is one other thing you mentioned which I need to clarify. You said about our healthcare, that if you need surgery in America, you need to sell your house, etc. And if Canada, come right in and we'll do it for free. Ok, here's something you failed to mention. How long of a wait is there for medical procedures? My neighbor moved here from Canada. Her son was having severe headaches. She took him to one of those greedy American doctors who immediately sent him for an MRI to see what was going on. Luckily, nothing was seriously wrong. But my neighbor was AMAZED at the speed with which his case was handled. You see, she told me that in Canada, he would've had to wait at least 3-6 months to be seen for an MRI, since there were so few people or machines available for that procedure. Excuse me, but by that time, had there been something seriously wrong, he could've been dead. He's 3 years old.

I don't know why I even read your posts, X. Because none of them are worth a damn, make any sense or have any validity whatsoever. Get your facts straight before you go singing the praises of your country and slinging shit at mine. I am NOT a very political person and I refrain from any political debates. But I do take offense at you and your bashing of our country and glorifying your own when in reality, both have their ups and their downs. And you better stop slinging shit at the American service men and women, because that is a personal attack on me and my family.

Were the twin towers full of the above mentioned people? Or were they filled with people going to work every day, earning an honest living? You failed to mention the 343 New York City Firefighters who went into those buildings, risking their lives to save those people trying to put food on the table for their families. Or how about the 23 New York City police officers?? Or the dozen or so New York City ESU officers. I went to NYC this weekend and our hotel was almost right next door to a fire house that lost 7 men in the Trade Center attack. Don't tell me Osama wasn't interested in killing innocent people.

One last thing before I start ignoring you again (which I should've done years ago). If you honestly think that America is completely and totally made up of those types of people you listed in your post, you'd better pay more attention in that Canadian school system of yours. You so need to grow up and live a little before you go spewing the idiotic shit that comes out of your mouth.

Come on man!! I know he seems igorant sometimes, but he shouldn't be banned!!

100% of everything teri just typed was for nothing, mayby next time people will read the entire thread before going on about agreeing with me (when they think they are against me)

The point of that post was to show mulletman that what he was saying about there being no innocent iraq's is the same as saying there are no innocent americans. Which is bullshit, anyone who took offence to that post are just reconferming my statements that Mulletman was being a racist bastard.

And next time please read all replys before posting. Kthnks

Come on you guys, this ain't mature!

X. Knock it off with the huge type. That's fucking annoying!

The information I typed regarding the military and your precious healthcare system was not for nothing. If you do not knock the shit off, I will personally ban you. You can't even imagine the pleasure it would give me. It's not because I disagree with you, it's not because you post nonsense. It's because you take pleasure in purposely pissing people off. We've banned others for that and if you don't knock off the shit, you will be next. Don't test me, you will not win.

Notice the THE END at the end? yes thats me trying to end this bullshit convo thats getting nowhere but you wackos wont let me.
I could easily prove teri wrong about the health care/ military by showing her parts of my posts she misunderstood or just "missed" altogether, but there would be no point because it would just go on and on and on, untill i get banned, then i would hack the website and blow it up so noone would have creedfeed and we would all be sad. :( And that wouldnt really solve much eather.


And to dogstar, the only reason im typing in huge is because hellboy likes to do it and it annys me, so im basically saying "hey i can type in bigass font too"


Plus im not doing this for my own entertainment, im trying to be the devils avocite and give you people a real discussion instead of everyone just saying
OMFG I LOVE BUSH, i gotta be the only one who will actually stand up for the poor iraq people because everyone else is to chickenshit to do so because if we voice out opinions in this dictatorship runned bbs we will get banned.
Sometimes the truth is offensive people, but everything i say is on base of judgement for the good of the overal human race.


End of discussion.

Thank you. :dancing:

And I have not used as big a font as you are using.

No, please, feel free to show me and the rest of the board how wrong I am. I encourage you to.

Thank you for verifying my statement that your to stubborn to end this pointless conversation.

Just trying to give you enough rope. But really, if you have information proving me wrong about the American military and the American Healthcare situation, please, feel free to post it. Never stopped you before.

Cheack your PMs

hey, you know what's funny? X claims he's trying to end the conversation, but he keeps on coming back for more, as though this thread is his three-dollar whore. i also find it funny, teri, that he's trying to refute what you have to say by telling you to read his previous posts (most of which contain mindless babbling), rather than posting links to real sources, something we academic-types do when we make such bold statements.

I go to my previous posts because they usually answer all your questions considering most people dont read whole threads before replying

IF you were so "academic" Then you would have been smart enough to understand what i was saying in my posts which was.


END OF DISCUSSION

I began this thread for Americans to discuss the re-election of their President. Not for ugly foreigners to spew hateful, non-sensical bullshit.

Judging by his responses [ones we could decifer], he's a socialist. I guess thats why he needs the final word.

be quiet for once and read my post on why bush shouldnt be president.

Fact is this.

War is the worst and lowest form of humanity one can reach.
USA is very very large on war.
Bush claims himself as a war president.
Iraqi children are slaughted in war but noone gives a shit because their iraqi (which pisses me off)
USA has no buisness going into iraq. Noone ever gave USA the right to go into other countrys and force what THEY feel is right onto them?
USA dosnt give a shit about other countrys unless it PROFITS THEM, This has been proven MANY MANY times so obviously there is a large profit to become from this (there not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, if they were world hunger would have been solved years ago)
On top of this, thousands of AMERICAN families like your own are suffering each day due to the death/perment disability of their son/daughter.

Things can be solved in more humain methods then war, Look at ghandi for example, he defeated the entire british empire and freed all of india without killing a single person.

Oh and i hate capitolism too, but only because of the suffering it brings to one side and the great wealth it brings to the other, of course were all on that "wonderful" side of beifits so we dont mind the millions of starving slaves working 19 hour shifts to make your cloths. Nope we just sit at our computers, taking every breath of life for grantid.

Now there obviously "arguments" and probly waked up ways/reasons people can "justify" and of the stuff, but one thing is for certain.

YOU CAN NEVER JUSTIFY THE KILLING OF ANY INNOCENT LIFE, NO MATTER WHO IT IS OR HOW IT HAPPENS.

Therfore the war on iraq can never be justfied, and neather can Bushes presidency.

The end


Non-sensible bullshit my ass,

There you go, 100+ facts why bush sucks, are you happy and will you let this thread die now? All you say is OMFG UR DUUMB U NOO NOTHING. yhea sure, read the post and realize that your the one who dosnt know anything.

As i said before
End of discussion,

in your eyes, they answer the questions raised... most of us don't care for your blatantly skewed & liberal opininos, particularly when there exists little factual evidence to support them

i'm not the only person here who doesn't get what you mean half the time... and i'm certainly not the the best-educated person whom your innane rambling "confuses"

are you being serious this time around, or is it another false alarm? i honestly find it too funny... something like your last 4 posts have said this, yet you continue to post. since you're so much better than all of us, why don't you be a bigger man (if you try hard enough, it's possible) and quit? besides, as Hellboy stated, we don't have to stop, he sorta started the thread for us to intelligently discuss G-Dub's reelection, not for others to rant on about how Americans suck, etc.

I second Hellboy's proposal to ban X

Also i wont be replying to this thread anymore, if you have any questions or anything eather PM me or read my other posts because 95% of everything you ask has already been answered. This thread is getting pointless and most of you people dont even care whats true or not anymore, you just want to bicker and fight. well by all means do so, but bring your e-drama to chat messangers or whatever because im bored of it. Kthanks have a nice day.



PS Hellboy seek medical help, I beg of you. There is treatment for whatever you have, and if there isnt, I will raise funds for it.

Oh and you all turned an innocent debate into a raging flame war on countrys and personal attacks based on unethical unlogical reasons.

Be Proud teri, dogstar, hellboy and that other guy who i forget his name but has 6000 posts. Be very proud.

And read that anti bush post and try to see it from a different prespective all you single minded fools. There are more human beings on this planet then north americans / europeians. Think about what YOU would feel if it was YOUR children being bombed, or if YOU were the poor(finacial wise) iraqie mother trying to care for her loved ones with american bombs killing her family.

And thats my conclusion of this thread. Im done posting here, you can figure the rest out yourself.

This guys needs to go!

I don't go to your previous posts, because they answer nothing. They just leave me scratching my head, wondering how scary the future is with people like YOU as future leaders. You may be trying to make a valid point, but the way in which you do it leaves us wondering what the hell you mean.

Sorry X, no one is smart enough to decipher exactly what you mean because you make absolutely no sense. Opinions are not fact, and just because you have one, it doesn't make it the truth. You can give me your opinions about why Bush sucks or how bad our military is, but until you can post proof, your opinion is as worthless as the crap in my cat's litter box.

Once again, I'm NOT taking sides in a political debate, I don't want to get into that. But if you make comments about the military and how mindless and ignorant and uneducated and stupid they are, you are hitting home with me.

X you have not posted one fact in all of your posts. All of the things you said are statements and opinions, not facts. Try posting facts with evidence to back it up, not your own personal opinion.

PLEASE learn to spell. I really feel sorry for your country if you are a typical example of the educational system's product...But I digress...To be the devil's ADVOCATE, you have to have a point of view that actually makes sense. And if see the friggin' HUGE fonts one more time from you, I will ban your ass. I'm not kidding. And Hellboy, please refrain from the huge type as well, thank you.

First of all, why do I need to seek medical help? I have not said one thing out of line, where everything you have said is non-sensical (not non-sensible and you thought I said).

Secondly, this post, yet again, makes no sense.

Thirdly, you need to go away for a long, long time after your time in this thread.

Once again, I started it for Americans to discuss our President and his policies, something we haven't been able to do because of raving maniacs like you. If you have nothing intelligent to say, please don't say anything. And if you follow by that rule, you will probably be silenced for eternity.

Thank you, good night.

I like it how i say im done posting here and all people do is ask me questions.


N00bs, i said end the discussion. Its not gona solve anything.

i have a novel idea X: howsabout you leave & we continue our initial discussion intelligently? i'm not going to let you intimidate me into stopping a thread, b/c i'm not interested in doing so... you, on the other hand, seem interested in stopping the thread, so why not just stop posting and pretend it no longer exists? works out great for everyone
this is just a question for you to consider, no response is necessary