I can't say that I'm surprised that the complimentary comments about Stapp were cut. MTV is going to make things look as controversial as they can for ratings.

Didn't Mark see the interview, or read the article before they were aired/printed?....I know if it was me, i would insist on being given the right to "OK" the final drafts before they became public knowledge...and this would be done as part of the stipulations before i said one word to the interviewer...call it personal insurance that my words would not be taken out of context or misquoted.

Something else...i would have thought by now that Mark would have realized how biased MTV was with Creed...and would have learned from previous experience.

Either way...what was said was said and it's water under Alter Bridge.

~Ann~

It doesn't work that way in the print or television news. Originally, that intent was to keep the reporting as objective and fair as possible so that the subject of the news would not skew it to his or her advantage. It's called a free press. The *news* business these days certainly doesn't operate with fairness in mind anymore. I've been in it for 20-plus years and much of the integrity and fairness that people at least tried to hold onto is now gone. Still, under what purports to be a free press, what you would insist upon would be considered censorship.

To Jooji and Shadow:

I never said Stapp has to suffer more. What I meant, and I understand it didn't sound the way it was supposed to, is that Stapp's singing gave hope and love for so many that he didn't get any. He helped a lot of people in a way or the other, and he needs help now, but it seems he doesn't want to be helped.

I hope all of this comes to the best of his person, because he's changed to the worst, wanting it or not. I do hope we see the old smiling Stapp again.

And this is MTV... of course they would cut the complimentary parts because they'll love to blame it on Stapp, who openly says he dislikes MTV.

I like the way Mark and Flip managed the interview, they didn't throw any stone on Stapp from my point of view.

and once again...everybody will end up agreeing to disagree...;)

Dogstar, in reguards to your comment...since you have been around the media business for so long and know what it can be like...one can OK a final draft of an interview/article and it can still remain objective, fair and honest...with the way the media is today....all the more reason to make sure one is not misquoted...right?

I'm sure that if ALL the props given Stapp were left out of the final cut of the interview and the article, as Michael said he was told, that something will be said and done about it...i do hope i am correct in thinking such a thing will happen...

Because to say nothing and let it slide as "just another media thing"....is akin to agreeing with them and the way they presented it...using the media as an excuse would be inexcusable. (this not only applies in this case, but in all cases where the media abuses it's power)...:)

~Ann~

Ann, it's absolutely and unequivocably unethtical for a reporter to ever let the subject of his news article grant any kind of approval or disapproval let alone even see it before it is printed or broadcast. Again, this is one of the tenets of a free, fair and unencumbered press. This is meant to prevent the abuse of power by government to control freedom of speech. A reporter could get fired for doing it. I've seen it happen.

Unfortunately, the way the media have evolved, fair isn't always part of the equation. Teri's right, the complimentary comments Mark may have made likely won't see the light of day because they're not juicy enough. The line between news and entertainment is so blurred now. Sad, but true. Mark can say all he wants, positive or otherwise, but if MTV doesn't want to air it, that's its prerogative. Again, sad, but true. He'll have to find another medium through which to do it.

You hit the nail on the head with everything you said Dogstar. Although I still want to reiterate that I think that, even without the positive comments added, MTV did a great job with the article.

Michael

Thank you for being so concise in your explanation, Dog Star...but after the Creed experiences with MTV, it would have been quite naieve of Mark not to expect something like that to happen...i believe he chose his source well...as Michaels comment clearly illustrates:



~Ann~

Which is why I think he showed considerable restraint given the situation. He really could have trashed him if he wanted to, whether what he said was true or not, but he didn't.

That may be, but it's not as if the New York Times would be so interested in the breakup of Creed (though it did make the web headlines :D). MTV does have an audience that does listen to music and thus, would be interested.

It's kind of funny to me, given that MTV wouldn't give Creed the time of day at the outset and now they were probably foaming at the mouth for anything negative they could get on Creed. It could have been a lot worse for Scott S in that respect had Mark gone the Pantera route and just totally trashed him.

Dogsatar....


this comment can be taken another way as well...and tho Mark did not go the "Pantera route"...he gave them just enough ammo...;)

~Ann~

I know what you meant. And I don't profess to be naive enough to think he didn't have a plan. Publicity of any kind is good when you're starting something new.

Actually....I think Stapp was the smart one in turning down the interview with MTV. The music media has butchered most of what Stapp has ever said to make it spin their way, not Stapp's or Creed's.....the dude knows exactly what would have come out of an interview with them.....a nice "they said"....."he said" juicy article....that MTV would have obviously skewed negative in Stapp's favor. I hope that when he does have something to say it's in a more reputable forum than MTV News. MTV kinda strikes me as the "National Enquirer" of the music press.

You would have thought that thought would have entered his former bandmates minds when they agreed to do their interview..

As for a free and unbiased press.....everyone remember Jayson "if I don't wanna take the time to look for the truth....I'll just make it up" Blair? And he worked for the New York Times....not everything you read is just what it appears to be.

Too bad....all that positive stuff that was said will never see the light of day........ :wtf:

I disagree with you Jooji in that I think it was a huge blunder on Stapp's part not to get his side out. I think that if Stapp had done that the article might have taken a more positive turn. I also hope you watch the MTV news segment that airs at 5:50pm eastern. It is a full 2 min segment where MTV basically says that Mark took the high road when it came to speaking about Scott. Also more clips of the interview are aired as well as mention about the situation with Brian being back. MTV also states in this segment that Stapp was asked "numerous times" to be interviewed but declined. Check it out and see what you think.

Michael

even if it is at the expense of another?...but of course the ends justify the means...and any "reason" is better than no "reason" at all...and so it goes...sad but unfortunately true in the world of today...and someday maybe understanding will dawn on them that everything they do/say is connected to the universe in one way or another and will come back to them eventually, in one form or another.

but i believe there are still people of integrity around and at the end of the day...it's those people that can look at themselves in the mirror and know that they listened to their hearts...and did the best they could. :)

later
~peace

~Ann~
a.k.a. M.O.M/Cdm2
(maintaining my integrity)

It doesn't surprise me that MTV would do that. Like Teri and Dogstar said, they want it to be controversial. The media can take a rain shower and turn it into a hurricane if they wanted.

And Michael, in regard to your post last night - okay - I look forward to receiving a pm back from you, or, if you prefer, you can email me at [email protected] (Thank you for letting me know you read it)



Marcos, I don't think I ever took what you said out of context. In another thread I did read that you said you would support him, in light of what's come out. I hope that the true Creed fans will support Scott. I have been a fan since the beginning, so I do tend to cut Scott alot of slack. I still listen to Creed on a daily basis.

Everyone is entitled to feel differently. And I am very, very impressed that no one has been arguing (like a few weeks ago).

I'm not saying it's right; I'm just saying that's the mind-set in the entertainment world.


There aren't many of those people in the entertainment world, sad to say. It's a vicious existence, if you ask me. I think those people with the passion to pursue their art have a very rough road, despite the good fortune that comes with it. Our country is obsessed with celebrity and what goes along with it. I would think living like that could suck the life right out of a person.

[quote=Ann Allusion]right, Dogstar..and Mark will be honest with his "feelings" with anyone he can tell them to...remember the first "can of worms"...that was just honesty too, huh.

Yes, it was, and everything he told us that night in Nov. is true. It is official now Creed is no more. The man doesn't lie or twist the truth, he has no need too.

"Actually, Ann, the article points out that Stapp was asked to comment but he refused. Take the article how you will, just remember that Mark has never spun anything in the past. He's told fans at meet & greets how it is and what would be happening. All that ended up being fact."

Thank you Steve, I really appreciate you saying that.

I will reply as soon as I can Shadow. As a side note, I hope you can carry a message for me. I am recieving emails that I am being talked about at the passionbreedsfollowers bb where I have been banned. Here is what was said..

"Yes siree bob Anita...that old double standard that Scott and his fans are always held up to.
Sounds like michael doing his normal and only job of pr...and I hear serious back peddling...and the sound of Scott fans everywhere slamming their doors on ab."

This was posted by a woman or man named Frankie. I find the comment pretty funny and I would love to hear what issue it is that I am back peddling on. If you could, please invite her over here for a cheerful and spirited debate, where I may at least defend myself, and she or he can give me an update on all those crazy doors slamming since I guess she has the pulse of Stapp fans everywhere.

Michael

I will relay the message.

L M F A O !!!!!!!!!

And yes Steve, thank you again. Sami and I were at that meet & greet, and Mark has not changed any of what he has said. He has been honest and told the truth from day one. And sometimes the truth hurts.

Yep, but "the truth will set you free" now they can speak freely and do so as they have with class!

Go Michael! LOL

Sorry, I'm feeling pretty chatty today. Here is something I still don't understand... why is it that everyone tries to make this out to be a Mark vs. Scott thing? Last time I checked Brian and Flip were not chained up in the recording studio. They are doing Alter Bridge of thier own free will as are Creed's former managers, Creed's former accountants, Creed's former production crew, Creed's former tour manager, sound man, bodyguards, guitar techs, monitor people, and I could go on. Many, many people have rallied around Alter Bridge because they believe , as I do, in the passion and the quality of the music to come. This is not a conspiracy, folks. I think that any fan of Creed will completely fall in love with these new songs. I have not heard Stapp's stuff yet, but if he is indeed truly working with the Tea Party, I think it will be awesome. I have all the respect in the world for the Tea Party guys and if you haven't checked out one of thier CD's yet you are missing out because they rock!!

Michael

I don't understand the taking of sides, either, Michael, but for some reason, it happens. Creed wouldn't have been Creed without the contributions of all of the members.

The other thing I don't understand is all this who is classier? Mark or Scott? Who really took the high road? While I'm sure it's very entertaining to debate there is a simple truth to this. Mark and Scott are two different people with two different personalities. Scott is more careful, always choosing his words and very concious of his public image, while Mark is more straight up publicly. Is either bad? I don't think so. I think we, as people, tend to identify with them differently based on how our personalities are. Some like Stapps public image because he is safe and almost gallant while others like Mark because he reminds you of the guy next door who is honest and hard working. It comes down to the simple fact that these guys are adults and are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. If Stapp has a problem with anything Mark or Flip or me or anyone else said ...well he has all our #'s. I'm sure he'd call us. So lets not try to get bent out of shape about all of this. I'ts over. Creed is done and now we have all kinds of cool music from these guys to look foreward to.

Michael

Phew, I'm going to head to the studio to watch Alter Bridge record, kick my feet up, and have a beer. Have a nice evening everyone. Oh by the way, if anyone wants to paste my recent posts over at PBF bb, since I can't, you have my permission. Maybe they'll see I'm not such a bad guy after all, maybe they'll still dislike me, who knows. Have a nice evening everyone.

Michael

"The other thing I don't understand is all this who is classier? Mark or Scott? Who really took the high road?"

I don't know if this was directed to me or not, but I want to clarify what I meant. By the interviews I have seen I think that he has showed alot of class, and tact on his former band mate. Just want to make sure that I am understood.

I don't want to bicker, or put anyone up higher than anyone else. I agree when Stapp's music comes out, I will be listening to it.

I wish all of them well, and good luck in the future what ever it is they do.

Enjoy your night Michael! I can't wait to I can hear it too!

My remarks were in response to Steve.

I have not chosen sides; I wish both men equal success.

But as someone who was at the meet & greet, knows what she was told and was not mistaken in what she heard, and has stood by it since last November despite the nasty remarks and name calling, it was refreshing to be backed up. For once.

[quote=RockGoddess]My remarks were in response to Steve.

I have not chosen sides; I wish both men equal success.

But as someone who was at the meet & greet, knows what she was told and was not mistaken in what she heard, and has stood by it since last November despite the nasty remarks and name calling, it was refreshing to be backed up. For once.

Amen to that Licia! :)

IMO, It has become a Mark vs. Scott thing because they're the only two we ever hear from. It's not exactly a well-kept secret that Stapp's head has gotten larger over the years, and Mark gives updates when he sees fans and they ask him (or so it seems). Scott Phillips, Brian Marshall, Myles Kennedy, and Brett Hestla all seem to be extremly quit on the whole topic.

By any chance, do any of them have an opening for an experienced lighting & sound tech, security personnel, or roadie? :rolleyes:

That's what I'm hoping for.

Who the heck is Tea Party? :wtf: I've never heard of them. Do you think you may get to hear some of his stuff in the not to extremely distant future?


Want some company? :D I'd be happy to chill with you at the studio!


H-D :pimp:

They also needed jobs because Creed disbanded. :lolsign:

Heh, :D

Michael, I'm with ya. I don't get this side taking, I wish equally all of them well

I know. But when I read my post again today I didn't like the way it sounded. I'm having trouble picking the right words. You know this subject is delicated and I want to do it right.

But as I said, I wish Alter Bridge and Stapp all the best! I'll dig their music, no matter what happened. What's done is done.

Dude.....I read the article....I don't need to watch the video. If he took the high road.....I'd hate to hear what taking the low road would have been. Like I said...Stapp would know how an interview with MTV would turn out. Kinda like all the others he's done with MTV. I hope he'll look for a more unbiased forum to air his side of the story...that is, if there is an unbiased forum when it comes to Stapp.....I'm beginning to wonder why the hell that is??????? Sorry....I'm being honest about how what I read came across to me.....I'm not the only one. I realize going on first impressions isn't always fair....but in this case I think I got the message,loud and clear....I'm sad to say. I wasn't impressed.

It is a delicate subject Marcos. However, I think the tension is now gone because the announcement was finally made. I hesitate and read and re-read what I write before I post it. Each of us has our own opinion and things get said and rub people the wrong way. I know I've gotten into a couple of battles about it. (Mainly because of the way I defend Stapp). But since yesterday, everything really has taken a different "feel". It's been a pleasure to come here (since yesterday) and "debate" as opposed to argue. :D

What about the Abhrams Report? Maybe he could do one with them again.

okay..I hate when I am lost..where in the hell is the article, Jooji? I would appreciate if you would post the link or pm me please. I will not be able to watch the interviews or whatever the next one that comes on is at 3:30 am.. love the boys but even I have limits..lol.

I just want to say though that I think that it is so cool that Michael has truly has Mark's back...family can be great that way. Good for them both.

I am looking foward to any music that comes any of the former members of Creed. :D

It's the MTV article. Teri started the thread - "Official MTV Story". Here's the link for it (the article) MTV Article

Thanks- Shadow I just came from there when I saw your post...I appreciate your effort...

So now that I feel that I am caught up...may I add that what Mark said came as no big real big surprise to me so I didn't find it to be that derogatory. From what we heard from the media the last year of Creed...seems to follow what Mark said...

In my opinion and only my opinion, I was rather disappointed in the Weathered album...it was very uninspiring..I felt like it was the same song repeated..my point is not to bash but to point out that maybe it is true what Mark said about "holding eachother back". Here are two extremly talented people who were not meeting their potencial together anymore...
So I am not sad about the Creed break-up and I totally believe in Altar Bridge...Rock on Mark, Scott and Bryan..and now Myles..I am already a fan and I have not heard anything yet...go figure.. ;)

Goddess.....go to www.mtv.com

Its on the news page...yesterday right up front and center...don't know if its still there today or not.