What are the actual stats for 50 Cent's sales? And 50 Cent is pop, basically. I should have been more clear on what I said. And pop does sell everywhere. That's basicallly the whole point. But a rock band that sells a lot around the world, well that's just amazing.

Rap sucks, period. Rap stands for Retards Attempting Poetry. Making noise with your mouth isn't really talented. I wasn't referring to MTV rap, I was referring to the whole rap genre. Rap simply sucks.

have you heard any non-MTV rap? pop=popular which means that bands like Creed is pop music BTW. i don't like most rap (stuff like Ja Rule and the like simply sucks) but some of it is not too bad. I'm preddy sure 50 Cent's sales would be very ummm impressive.

There's a difference between pop and popular music. Rap is pop because it's just using turntables and whatnot. Fake music.

creed is pop by your defenition.

also if turntables = fake music, than electro guitars = fake music too

even discounting Canada, Australia and the like their numbers are preddy impressive actually. Indonesia sales are about 300 K, India about 200K, Germany's platnium level is at the same level I think. All up they would have shipped about a million copies of Weathered outside U.S borders. Those would be the most impressive rock numbers since well.....Ten. Considering that Indonesia is the world's largest Muslim nation that is not bad at all.

TOW what about these rap-metal and nu-metal bands are they half-fake?

They're just crap. Rap-metal has to have been the worst music fad ever.

You actually make your sound with a guitar. It isn't already made and you just have to mix it. Aurgh, rap sucks.

you really have to get over yourself and realize that turntables is a valid instrument. Listen to DJ Shadow sometime.

I HATE turntables...Incubus use them alot and that's why I don't like them because the turntable just threw me off completley.

Only half fake? They are fake. I hate most of these new bands that are coming out who are mixing rap with rock. Like Linkin Park for example, or Limp Biskit, I can't stand them because when you hear the verses, even the chourses, they have rap in them, rap and rock just DON'T go well together, period. And lyrical content now days with these rap/rock bands coming out are just shocking. Mainstream rock is getting worse and worse by the day, give me some classic rock any day.

turntables != scratching, although MTV does their best to convince everyone the opposite.
http://www.djshadow.com/site/index.html, go to Media Player. Bunch of his songs, including ones with Zack De La Rocha.
Disavawed is prolly a good example... too bad Midnight in the Perfect World isnt there =(

good point about Zack De La Rocha, Audioslave get good vibes around here generallly. Replace Cornell with Zack and what do we have preddy much? Rage Against the Machine who were one of the innovators of the genre now dominated by Linkin Park and the like. Like any genre the bands that started it were far better then the imitators. I don't like these bands (Linkin Park are mmmkay) but stuff like The Prodigy was good.

Zack De La Rocha held them down. It's great that they formed Audioslave. I liked some riffs from Rage Against the Machine, but the rapping and the annoying lyrics made me really dislike the band. Kind of like how some people dislike Creed. Over the leadsinger and lyrics. Rage Against the Machine is more "hardcore" so to speak, than Audioslave. They don't sound the same, but you can easily tell that it's Tom Morello playing guitar.

the leadsinger and lyrics are very important, i can't like a band if i dislike the lead singer and lyrics. Are you telling me you can't rock out to "Killing in the Name"? I would like it if Morello wouldn't fall back on his DJ effects so often. They are good but in their debut it was overdone a bit I thought.

Killing In The Name cracks me up