Scott
 

Scott

we all think we know you
we are assuming
even giving you advice
I understand, it's easy to love you
you're beautiful but not empty
beautiful in every way
but the biggest treasure is your soul

your voice, your words awaken emotions
and maybe I'm just the same as others
feeling these strong feelings
and deep affection
for someone that I don't know
but I'm not one of those to steal
a piece of your freedom

even if you are having hard times
despite the joy and the fame
one thing I can say about you
is that I know you'll make it through
you have a radiant light
stronger then I've ever seen
and I'm not even able to describe
what your music means for me

the pain that you express
I feel it so powerfully
it's a pain my soul knows so well
but I don't see
why anyone might think that you're lost
you're more found then anyone I know
your music sets you free
I wish I could share my soul with you
the way you share yours with me

I have heard others make emotions into sounds
music was strong but the message wrong
they only cry how they want to die
they give questions with wrong answers
leading others to roads of selfdestruction
but you!
you tell them to live
you teach them to feel
you teach them to think
you teach them to fight
you give a blind man sight

I hope somehow you realise
that you are one of the best people
that ever walked upon this earth
I hope that you truly know what you're worth
I hope you see that you really are
taking so many "higher"
and turning hate into love
you really are strong enough to take dreams
and make them yours and ours

may you be welcomed "with arms wide open"
everywhere you are
may you be blessed always
may you live
may you recieve as much as you give

I Agree 100 Percent :jam: :jam: :jam:

awww...that was sweet...:rockon:

really liked this blessing:

[b]everywhere you are
may you be blessed always
may you live
may you receive as much as you give[b]

:D

Scott is a great inspiration ;)

Well, actually it's Mark music! Mark wrote all the music and pretty many lyrics as well. The only released song Scott has ever written by himself is Relearn Love.

Well, actually Alter Bridge is not too crazy about him. And they've toured with him for 7 years. Brian even called him "Pathological lair". And he did that awful Chicago show. And he was in some bar fights. You should really read the Kerrang Interveiw with Alter Bridge.

Meet Alter Bridge.
You knew them as Creed-
until the bizarre
behaviour of frontman Scott Stapp
tore them apart. Now
they're back, with a new
singer, a new outlook, and
some of the weirdest stories
you've ever heard - Kerrang Magazine

Read the interview here. It's worth reading, even if it's not all totally fair. Like the thing with the Anger Management book. That was actually Mark's idea at first. Don't know what happened after that, but they claim Stapp sent it, so I guess that's the truth. Anyway. This interview gives a different side of Creed than what we knew before. And just so you know. I am a Stapp fan, I love his voice, he moves people etc. But he had a hard time growing up and I think that has been following him for a long time now. Maybe his better now, I don't know.

And for the poem... Well, it's more of a fan letter. Gosh, get yourself a boyfriend, this is pretty naive!

//Lith

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU LIT ASS :samurai: << LITH

:D yes thats the part i liked

this would make a great off topic thread if i do say so so my self :D :D :D

I personally read the lyrics before I listen to a song, they are what moves me the most and since you're so well informed you should know Scott wrote almost all of them. Lets face it, Scott's passion is what made Creed such a great band.
Without Scott's charisma Creed wouldn't have been so succesful. Alter Bridge is succesful thanks to Creed, they just got many Creed fans handed on a plate because Tremonti and Philips are in there. I'm not surprised Brian is negative about Scott. Obviosly the guy is holding a grudge against Scott because they got in an argument when Brian was insulting Pearl Jam. That was the reason Brian had to leave Creed.
I think it's a dissapointment that Tremonti and Philips left Scott because he was going through a hard period. For example he gained some weight because he was taking pills against inflammation. He kind of isolated himself and they didn't have any understanding for it. I don't think that the man who wrote 'Faceless Man' can be a pathological liar. The chances are bigger that Tremonti and Philiphs are addicted to attention and fame and couldn't wait for Scott to recover. But hey that's their loss. So far Alter Bridge hasn't made one song that's as deep and meaningful like Creed songs. I'm sure Scott will be very succesful on his own anyway.
By the way the poem is meant to be a sort fanletter, not a masterpiece in poetry. I'm not trying to get Scotts love either. I just know all his songs and I love him very much because he had a positive impact on my life and on the lives of many others. By the way when it comes to growing up, Alter Bridge lyrics deal with the same kind of issues as Creed so Tremonti must have had troubles growing up too.

I understand you're in love with Tremonti :smokin: but you're giving him too much credit. Try to be a little more objective. If Mark had done all the work Scott wouldn't have been in the band in the first place.

oh sweet heart it was precious :hugs: :jam: :hugs:

:hugs: x 100 ;)

Lith and his opinions...seems everybody has one...:laugh:
you answered well, miss seeker...:hugs:

Yeah, but then you should have written "I'm not even able to describe what your lyrics means to me". And just so you know Flip said this in The Flint Journal:

"Mark wrote most of the material (with Creed). He wrote probably 60 or 70 percent of the lyrics, did most of the vocal melodies and came up with all of the guitar riffs," Phillips said in a recent interview from the band's rehearsal space in Florida. - Read the whole interview here

No. But it was apart of it. I got into Creed mostly because they had GREAT songs, (which Mark wrote), and because the singer seemed really cool. So both actually.

Yeah, sure, that's true, but all Scott's fans will also be Creed fans at first. And the Pearl Jam thing... Not the whole truth! I don't know the whole truth 'cause the band won't tell us but Brian said in an interview last year, (maybe it was that Kerrang interview, can't remember), that the Pearl Jam thing was not the reason he left and that he didn't want to tell the whole story.

Actually Scott said to VH1 that he took fully responsibility for the Creed break-up and that it was all his fault 'cause he couldn't communicate. The clip was up on PassionBreedsFollowers a while ago.

This is from the interview Mark and Flip did with MTV when Creed was over. This part is about the Chicago show:

"My entire family was at that show," Tremonti said, "so I was very irritated. But I forgave Scott for it. I talked to him about it, [but he didn't] offer any kind of explanation. That's probably what bothered me the most. There was no closure on it. It was like, 'Let's keep moving on,' and I was like, 'Well, we've got to address these issues,' but we just never did.".

Read the entire interview here

In the same interview with MTV when Creed was over they said they did go into the studio to make their 4th album Scott's passion for Creed was pretty much gone. But that's not in the text interview I saw that Flip said that in a video clip from the interview MTV had up. Maybe they still have, check it out.

Yeah, that's what you think. Nothing has EVER touched me the way In Loving Memory did. That's the only song ever I've cried to. And man. Broken Wings, Shed My Skin, Find The Real, The End Is Here, I might as well just name 'em all. They're in a different style than Creed's yeah, but they're very emontional.

Eh... Yeah... So? Everyone has been through tough times, but what's so wrong with that? I just said that Scott's past seems like this huge load of shit that just got to him at the same time.

Hahaha!! I'm in love with Mark? Yeah right, you're the one who wrote that poem about Scott like he was God, remember? And I am very objective. I only quote interviews made by Creed, Alter Bridge and Scott himself. And when Mark met Scott Scott knew NOTHING about music, but Mark, for example, tried to teach him to play guitar, although he wasn't very good. Anyway. My point is that Scott learned very much from Mark. Just watch Creed: Behind The Music. It's able to download at www.PassionBreedsFollowers.com

And Ann. I'm not giving my opinions. I'm giving facts, and if you can't handle it, that's your problem.

You know, I think that quote might have been taken out of context. It seems like it really contradicts everything that has been said in the past. It has almost always(with the exception of this interview) been said that Tremonti did the music while Stapp did the lyrics. I highly doubt Tremonti also did the lyrics....those lyrics in Creed just don't look like they could have come from Tremo....ESPECIALLY when you compare them to the Alter Bridge lyrics, which if I'm understanding correctly were mainly written by Tremo. I'm a big fan of Flip, as I am of Tremonti, Marshall, Stapp and Kennedy, but even I question that particular quote(just the lyrics part and perhaps the vocal part, too) and have questioned it since the day I read it in that paper.

Yeah, I question it too, but it has been said.

Yeah, I'm not even sure that Flip said that. And if he did, if he actually meant it. Based on what has been said in the past(about Stapp being the main lyricist for Creed), I'd like to think that Flip wouldn't say that sort of stuff, especially if he knows that it is not true or at least that he did not mean it in the way he said it.

Or maybe it is true. Maybe it was Stapp taking credit for what Mark did, that did happen a lot in Creed!

ya know what, Lith...YOU wish it were a true statement...anything to just keep needeling, huh?...why not just let it go.

Miss Seeker wrote a poem...whether you agree with it's contents or not, could be expressed in a less negative light. The poetry threads are neutral terratory...people here get along...it is a creative space meant for just that...
Being Creative...not coming in here to further an agenda such as yours...

I'll be surprised if you don't already have ulcers from this...because if you don't with the kind of negative energy you have aimed at stapp still, you will certainly be needing pepto...real soon.

What has Stapp really taken credit for in Creed? I don't recall him ever taking credit for writing the music, unless I'm missing an interview or something. All I've ever heard Stapp say is that he wrote the lyrics. Based on his past and what he's said, the lyrics seem to fit the man, so I wholeheartedly believe Stapp wrote the lyrics. Maybe Stapp has taken credit for more things in Creed and I just haven't heard/seen that. I don't know. All I know is that Stapp, in all the interviews he's done since Creed officially broke up, has seemed remorseful for Creed's break-up. At least that's the impression I've gotten. I'm not going to talk about this anymore, as I think Miss Seeker's thread has been derailed far enough. If anyone wants to start a new topic in the Creed forum to speak about who wrote the lyrics for Creed, I'll gladly post in that.

Dude, chill! I didn't say THIS IS THE WAY!!! I said maybe. Maybe means it's a theory. And as I said before. I really question that statement. But it just means Mark wrote more lyrics than we knew he was. But that's only a maybe, no need to get upset.

Yeah, maybe I am giving very negative energy to Scott right now. But it's also the truth. He was my hero... That man was like, wow, my God! Until he did all this shit like bar fights, the Chicago show, etc, etc. And now when Alter Bridge have given their side of the story, I choose to believe them. And remember. I never said anything about Scott being an asshole. Never was impolite. The only thing I did was quoting interviews. If you are so angry with me, why don't you find any interviews about this break up that is positive about Scott? I'm not trying to fight here. It's just that when MissSeeker wrote all that stuff about me giving Mark too much credit I answered with, what I think, is the truth. Lately I've found out that all things I loved with Stapp was really Mark's ideas at first. Besides from the lyrics, but the lyrics in Alter Bridge are great too, I think.

Eh... Noo... Why would I? Not that I have a heart of stone, but why would I? I mean... I only quoted interviews, I wasn't negative about the man, the interviews might be. I understand you don't like me at all, and I don't like you that much right now either. But I respect you. I hope you respect me.

They never really said... They just said Stapp was holding Mark back.

Lith, you don't know me, so you really don't know what i think, about you, or for that matter anyone else on this or any other bb i post on...in fact no body that posts on these bb's know me on a level that would qualify them to assume they know how i would feel about any of them.

Truth be told, Lith...i hold no ill will towards anyone...the assumptions are made because of how people choose to take my comments...which have become few and far between...so if you "undrstand" i don't like you, then you are assuming something that i have have never said.

Everyone has the right to their opinions...I can respect that right, although many times that respect has not been shown to me...but again, by doing what you did by hijacking this thread which was nothing more than a poem by Miss Seeker, did you show her respect?...

I don't want to fight with you or anyone else, Lithium...sorry your hero/god fell in your eyes...but something to remember...hero's are human too.

Yeah, that's true, but you seemed real angry, so I figured that was the way it was. Didn't mean to upset you.

I'm sorry 'bout that, but I think I've been disrespected by many Stapp fans as I guess you feel you have by many Alter Bridge fans. But I think this Alter Bridge vs. Scott Stapp is so ridiculous! I'm one of the few Alter Bridge diehards who's looking forward to Scott's solo album. And what the heck do you mean by hijacking? No offense, but that wasn't poem and it was very naive and not true! How can one of the best persons ever to walk upon this earth have been in several bar fights in just a few months? I'm NOT saying Mark or anyone else in AB is the best. I'm saying something like Nelson Mandela. Or someone who's done something very good political!

That's cool, I'm not mad at him anymore. No need to look back in anger. Creed is over, Alter Bridge is here and Myles is a freaking GREAT singer and person.

But please everybody. I didn't mean to hijack anyone! Alright? Peace!

In case you forgot, singing is music too, not only lyrics.


I think you should check your sources, because everybody knows Scott wrote most of the lyrics. Besides, do you think Creed would have succeeded with Tremonti as singer. It is Scotts voice, lyrics, passion, moves, looks, charisma, spirituality, purity that moves the masses.

Can't you tell the difference in style between Creed songs and Alter Bridge songs? Creed is Scott Stapp and Alter Bridge Tremonti.

Everybody knows Scott fired Brian because of the Pearl Jam thing. Of course there might be more reasons.

Don't you want to hear Scott's side of the story? If you do read the MTV interview. http://www.mtv.com/bands/s/stapp_sco...eature_080904/

MTV: Mark and Scott Phillips said your differences were personal as well as musical. No one could get along with you.

Stapp: That's not true. There wasn't a fight. There was just no communication [between us]. I had all these health problems, and I isolated myself, and to be honest with you, I didn't feel like anyone cared about anything but making money and touring.

I have a son and my goals have changed. I didn't want to tour 280 days a year. I wanted to spend more time with my son. I'm divorced and his mother's not involved in his life, so that's what's important to me.

MTV: You had health problems beyond the injuries you sustained in the car accident in 2002?

Stapp: I was basically on [anti-inflammatory] Prednisone for the last six months of the Weathered tour, and it bloated me up like a beached whale. I looked like fat Elvis. I had a nodule on my vocal cord, too.




It's fine you're a fan of Alter Bridge, you're entiteled to your own opinion. Nothing has ever touched me like With Arms Wide Open, Higher, Pity For A Dime...

Well to me Scott is a god and he will stay that no matter what anyone says.
Of course such an amazing guy has enemies, but there will always be enough of us who see his true colors. Scott said in an interview that Mark is a muse to him because of the great guitar playing. Mark probably used to feel the same way otherwise they wouldn't have worked toghether for all these years with so much success.

Anyway I wouldn't trust every interview you read. Magazines always need something to write about. The MTV interview comes from Scott's official website.

When it comes to Alter Bridge they have great songs, the only thing missing is a great singer.

I respectfully disagree with that. I've heard that the reason why Brian left the band was because him and Stapp could not get along anymore. I believe Stapp even said it himself. Here's the exact quote from that same MTV interview you mentioned.


So, based on what Scott himself has said, your statement is not true.

The Pearl Jam thing might not be the only reason Marshall had to leave, but I'm sure it is one of the reasons.

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/creed/bio.jhtml

"During the summer of 2000, Creed bassist Brian Marshall made headlines for criticizing Pearl Jam's recent songwriting style during a radio interview; he later apologized, and Stapp distanced the rest of the band from Marshall's comments on Creed's website. A couple of months later, just before the official start of the band's American tour, it was announced that Marshall was no longer a member of Creed. "

Yes, but Stapp himself said that "Actually, that Pearl Jam thing had absolutely nothing to do with why Brian left the band." So according to Stapp, the PJ thing had nothing to do with Brian leaving the band. Instead, he, according to Stapp, left the band because he and Stapp were not getting along. Based on what Brian has said recently(calling Stapp a liar, among other things), that seems to fit Stapp's comments, so I think Stapp was telling the truth about it in that MTV interview. Of course, both of them could be lying. Who knows. I just believe Stapp in this case.

If Scott Stapp said it, I believe it too.

From an objextive point of view, as in the actual poem.song itself, it was decent, had some flow problems and didn't have too great a structure unless it was a poem, in which case it just had weird structure.

But THIS is nonsense I will not stand for! lol, Creed was a good band, great for one album, mediocre and unoriginal after that. And while you can like Stapp or dislike him, slighting Mark like this is ridiculous. Creed would have had NO fans in the rock genre if it hadn't been for Tremo's awesome riffs. And indeed they might have had quite a few more fans had Stapp not been in the band, lol :rolleyes:

Actually some of the songs on One Day Remains do sound very Creed-like.


At the risk of sounding repetitive (and we all know repetition is evil) worship the music, not the musician. That statement right there is a little scary. Scott squats to s**t just like the rest of us.

LOL!:laugh:

You don't even have any sources... And no. To me it was Mark's incredible guitar and Mark's incredible charisma. And sure, Scott was a big part of Creed and I still love that band!

Yeah, and I actually like Alter Bridge better! I didn't think anything could be better than Creed, but boy, I was wrong!


1) Isn't it pretty stupid of him to fire Brian for something small like THAT
2) I'm sorry now, but you crack me up girl! As Titan said Scott said himself that the Pearl Jam thing had nothing to do with that! And if you had been reading the latest interview from BOTH Alter Bridge and Scott you would know the truth as I do. Scott fired Brian 'cause he couldn't stand the guy. And that thing about "If I hadn't fired him I'm not sure if he'd been on this earth right now" is a statement Scott did 'cause Brian was taking drugs. Brian talked a little bit about that in that Kerrang interview you obviously didn't read.

"Brian left the band 'cause if he didn't I don't know if he'd be on this earth right now." What do you think he means by that?
"I think he's referring to my mental state. I was dealing with a lot"
You're talking about drugs, right?
Long pause.
"I wad doing things out on the road I problably shouldn't have done. I was no angel out there, that's for sure." He looks up. "But you know what? Scott wasn't the angel he claimed himself to be either".

Not true... I don't believe that. That man lies like never before. He also said in a radio interview that he and Mark sat down over the phone and came up with a setlist to Creed's Greatest Hits. Man, Mark and Flip didn't have WANT to release that! They wanted to wait so they could give out some unreleased songs, etc. Anyway... The proove that he lied is in the booklet. The setlist is made by a man named Ryan Smith.

I'm gone stop this conversation by saying. You're 24... Please act like you were it too. And by quoting our dear friends in Alter Bridge.

"There was a genuine dislike for Scott Stapp. We all took burnt of it for years"

You don't even have any sources... And no. To me it was Mark's incredible guitar and Mark's incredible charisma. And sure, Scott was a big part of Creed and I still love that band!

Yeah, and I actually like Alter Bridge better! I didn't think anything could be better than Creed, but boy, I was wrong!

1) Isn't it pretty stupid of him to fire Brian for something small like THAT?

2) I'm sorry now, but you crack me up girl! As Titan said Scott said himself that the Pearl Jam thing had nothing to do with that! And if you had been reading the latest interviews from BOTH Alter Bridge and Scott you would know the truth as I do. Scott fired Brian 'cause he couldn't stand the guy. And that thing about "If I hadn't fired him I'm not sure if he'd been on this earth right now" is a statement Scott did 'cause Brian was taking drugs. Brian talked a little bit about that in that Kerrang interview you obviously didn't read.

"Brian left the band 'cause if he didn't I don't know if he'd be on this earth right now." What do you think he means by that?
"I think he's referring to my mental state. I was dealing with a lot"
You're talking about drugs, right?
Long pause.
"I wad doing things out on the road I problably shouldn't have done. I was no angel out there, that's for sure." He looks up. "But you know what? Scott wasn't the angel he claimed himself to be either".

Not true... I don't believe that. That man lies like never before. He also said in a radio interview that he and Mark sat down over the phone and came up with a setlist to Creed's Greatest Hits. Man, Mark and Flip didn't have WANT to release that! They wanted to wait so they could give out some unreleased songs, etc. PLUS AB haven't been talking to him since february last year! Anyway... The proove that he lied is in the booklet. The setlist is made by a man named Ryan Smith.

I'm gone stop this conversation by saying. You're 24... Please act like you were it too. And by quoting our dear friends in Alter Bridge.

"There was a genuine dislike for Scott Stapp. We all took burnt of it for years"

All three of them made Creed a good band. I'm actually a very big fan of Tremonti and of Philips too. Still you can't deny Scott being the frontman and the one in the spotlight. He did a great job.

I don't agree with that, to me Alter Bridge has a totally new sound.

If there was no musician there would be no music. Music says a lot about the person that creates it. By the way, isn't it up to everybody who they wanna worship.

I remember reading this on several websites. Scott wrote almost all the lyrics. I can't remember the exact links.

You're entitled to your own opinion. You're free to like Alter Bridge better, I just don't understand all this hostility towards Scott. I personally still like Creed better even thogh Alter Bridge is a good band. The songs are just not as deep as Creed songs.

Well I can imagine that Scott cared about the bands reputation and didn't want Creed to be known as an enemy of Pearl Jam. Especially when you consider that many Creed fans are also Pearl Jam fans.

I can imagine that Brian being heavily addicted on drugs is the biggest reason he had to leave the band. I personally think that if that is true, Scott acted as a friend who was trying to protect Brian from death of an overdose.



I think you should be a lilttle less agressive. You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to mine. Obviously you're one of those people that go with the flow. Alter Bridge is popular at the moment, so you have to diss Scott for not being in it even though you enjoyed him for years. A band is nothing without a good frontman and Scott did his job pretty damn good.
I'm gonna quote Scott on this:
"Walking around I hear the sound of the earth seeking relief,
I'm trying to find a reason to live but the mindless clutter my path,
oh these thorns on my side, these thorns in my side,
I know I have something free, I have something so alive,
I think they shoot 'cause they want it"

By the way what does my age have to do with anything? Does it mean a can't be a fan of Scott Stapp. He is not 'N Sync or Backstreet Boys. I'm not a groepie that follows him around of has a room full of his posters. I respect him very deeply and anyone who is denying his qualities is simply envious.

I felt the same about Alter Bridge at the beginning, and I have to admit that I used to avoid listen to them, because I loved Creed and I was a little sad about the breakup, but after some member's suggestions here on CreedFeed (by the way, thanks!!-you know who you are-lol) I decided look ODR over. And to my surprise I loved the album, loved the songs. Loved Myles. :)

And yeah, Myles is definitely a great singer. Of course Stapp has a great voice too ( I'm looking foward to his cd.). Myles did a great job on ODR, specially - ILM, BID and BW. And yeah, he can sing with a lot of passion, and we feel it.

Actually I can't say he's one of the best rock singers, HE is the VERY BEST rock singer. ;)

Who the... what the... someone said AB is missing a great singer?

*twitch*

*twitch*

*tries to hold it*

*is still trying*

*trying very hard*

*fails*

WHAT?!

Myles Kennedy is TWENTY TIMES the singer Scott Stapp will EVER be, and is so much better than msot modern rock singers that people don't even know WHAT to think after hearing him. From a PURELY TECHNICAL standpoint he completely blows any other singer of this rock era out of the water, and from a lyrical standpoint he is much more original than, say, STAPP:

"At times life is wicked and I just can't see the light..."

Oh yeah, GREAT ability there. Not only that, Myles has a sense of humor, has a FUN stage presence instead of a dreary preachy one, and can tear his guitar to pieces, while Stapp can't even play a guitar with it strung all open.

Scoot Friggin Stapp could not lick Myles Kennedy's shoes.

And also ,whoever said to me Stapp is a God... Would you please grow up? I have seen thirteen year olds who don't treat him like a God.

/rant

Sorry guys, I tried to hold it in. But when someone starts comparing Stapp to Myles, I can't. lol

when you underlined WHAT , for a sec i thought it was a web link HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :D turns out not

^
Yeah... creedsister, it really seemed... :D

PS: MissSeeker: I'm a Stapp's fan, but please, he's not a God. No one is a God!!!!!!!!! ok? ;)

Yes, you have a point, and it's cool to admire the musician that creates the music. But worship? Stapp's a god? That's a little beyond admiration. That's obsessive. And I think what Lith was trying to say was that at age 24, not many people 'worship' rock stars. Admiration and loyalty yes, but worshipping? That's really what a younger person is more inclined to feel.