Marijuana
 

Right? Wrong? Should it be legalized? do you have information Postive and/or negative about Marijuana?

Well, I certainly don't think people should go to jail for it. In my opinion, it isn't any different from drinking or cigarettes. It should be a personal preference and I think it should be legalized. :D

My younger daughters dad is a total pot head, and is an idiot when he smokes the stuff!!! I can't stand him...And won't allow him to be around the girl when he does the stuff... :rolleyes:

Hemp (Marijuana) is the most unused resource we have on this planet...I have alot of research on this why it should be legalized...if you need information pm me and I can e-mail you some articles....

**Food for thought...Did you know that growing hemp was legal in the Untied States till the 1930's when big-money oil/petroleum companies lobbied to have it ilegalized because you can make fuel out of hemp...yes you can and hemp can be made into so many things it's incrediable...do you think we would be in Iraq if it wasn't for oil and those interests???

:) Well, if the ex idiot would use it for fuel instead of acting like an ASS, I wouldn't mind so much.... :rolleyes:

President Washington grew MJ. A few others have grown it in the White House.


Personally, I don't like the stuff, and it should remain illegal. It's no more of a medicine than LSD, Meth, or Coke.


H-D :music:

That's my feelings on the stuff.

Did you know???
Much research is being done that PROVES cannibus' medicinal powers (without getting the user high). I just read a money mag article that finds, ironically, the anti-depressant, appetite suppressant, and brain boosting pwers of this "drug". THe only part that potheads use is the very tip of the plant, which contains THC. The rest of it (grown up to 5 feet or so) can be used to make clothing, food, fuel, rope, beauty supplies, all kinds of fun stuff. Washington grew it, yes... So did Thomas Jefferson. The reason it is illegal is beacuse of a politician by the name of William Hearst who, back in the days of Jim Crow, wanted to find some way to villify blacks and said that it was the "devil's weed" pointing out all the ex-slaves who used it. He instiled fear in the voting public (then, only white) by creating the term, "Reefer Maddness". Ignorance is worse than addiction in this case... my :2cents:

I've never used the stuff but been around others that have. I personally don't like it, plus it smells like stale skunk butt :rolleyes: :wtf:

Well BOO for the *TIP* of the plant and *Yaye* for the rest of it... :eek:

Well you would not have liked being around the ex when he was smoking the stuff... what a dumb ass!!! He'd put the baby on the counter top, and forget about her, careless stuff like that.. fried brain... :rolleyes:

Shows hiw much you know, kid.... LSD is a medicine... it was developed as one -- getting high is really a side effect in a way. LSD was used on mental paciets and such thoughout 60ies. To top all that LSD, unlike meth, mj, and such is NOT a drug, but a halluscinigen (it is not addictive, it uses different mechanism to get you 'high').

Anyhow, MJ should be legalized, b/c regardless of how bad it can be, it's got NOTHING on alchohol. Who would you rather deal/live with pothead or alcoholic? You see many people think that if one uses occasional pot than he's a pothead, but that's like calling someone who enjoyes occasianla beer an alchololic.

OxyContin is a narcotic and it's slang nickname is "hillbilly heroin" and is one of the most (if not thee most) abused drugs on the street, yet, one can get that legally for chronic pain. It has similar effects to heroin. It's been shown that Marijuana helps those of us with chronic pain and to me, people shouldn't have to worry about going to jail for trying to manage their pain. Just my thoughts. :smokin:

I had a good friend in high school, who occassionally smoked pot. Then as it usually goes he had to have more to get that high - then moved on to other stuff. Now he is dead. Killed himself while high. While there might be some merit to what you all have mentioned about the medicinal purposes (I have not done clear research so I don't speak knowledgably) it is a drug and someone like you, JON, has no business doing it. :) :) Get high on your life, helping people, mastering a skill etc. (I hope that isn't why you are asking - I am going to assume that you are just trying to make interesting conversation here!) I work in a wellness center as a counselor, and we are addressing Chronic pain in a variety of ways that don't involve medication like massage acupuncture chiropractic and emotional counseling. I used to be cynical about this stuff but having seen it first hand I am amazed. Even recently a Harvard researcher wrote a great article that we as a medical society need to start thinking outside the box, going on to state that alternative approaches deserve a second look. Emotional stress produces hormones and chemicals in the body that aggrivate pain. Things like alchol and pot just numb the symptoms, they don't address the source of the pain. I would rather eliminate the source than numb the symptoms. Anyway, just my :2cents:

Sorry to hear that, but there was this kid who started drinking beer in high school. Than he moved on to hard liquor and than he killed himself while drunk driving... lets make beer illegal?

Well, beer is illegal when you are in high school - gotta be 21 to use it legally - there is a reason for that - I am not saying it is a good thing - am not advocating drinking - I don't think ANY of that stuff is harmless!!!!!!!! Why make ANOTHER mind altering substance legal??????????????

I don't buy the argument that legalizing marijuana will decrease its use. with it legalized, would there be any reason to not use it? i mean, other than the obvious "I don't want to." saying legalizing marijuana will curb the problem is like saying we should do away with speed limits b/c, that way, people won't speed. or we should stop requiring school for kids 16 and under b/c requiring it only makes them skip. they'd go if it were free choice. uhhh, yeah, right......
plus, the left just wants one more thing it can tax. lol
and as for hemp being used as a fuel resource, I would guess that it's probably even less efficient than petroleum, otherwise we'd already be using it, rather than trying to develop good hybrid and electric and whatever other types of cars.

I dont think so either, however it will decrease the income criminals have, and will lower crim in general by a bit.
I think all drugs + prostitution should be legalized ("fucking is legal, selling is legal... why is selling fucking illegal?!" G. Carlin) so people who need their fix dont have to jump through hoops they will jump through regardless of if it is legal or not, and so that crime would get lowered.

My problem with legalizing pot is that it will be just like alcohol, no one will respect it and they will abuse it. My personal opinion is it should be illegal. I've never used the stuff so I really wouldnt know any benefit, then again I wouldnt really care. Personally I look down on those who use it, thats me, deal with it. If it gets legalized you know that some shithead will get behind the wheel and kill someone. Its takes only ONE person to ruin something for everyone. The only way I would ever support legalization is if there were stricter penalties - same with alcohol. None of this house arrest, AA, suspended licenses, probation, or 'slap-on-the-wrist' bullshit. No, one DUI/DWI should be enough for a max sentence in a Federal pounding in the ass prison. Add an age limit, and then and only then will I support it. Medical purposes is one thing, if it should be legalized for medical purposes then it should only be available through prescription.

Those are my two cents, the only good thing I can even think about is the elimination of a black market. Despite what the white guy with blonde dreads says, Im still not convinced.

Everyone here has good points and I don't want to step on anyone's toes but...
BearFan...have you ever considered that we do not use Hemp as fuel because of the big-money fuel companies because they know if the general public knew how efficent hemp was as fuel they would be out of business and where would good ol' George W get he's campaign money... ;)

Mullet...I would rather be on the road with someone high on pot then drunk on beer...why you ask..pot does not impair your reflexes like alcohol...but I must say I would absolutley rather be on the road with all sober people but I do live in reality and that doesn't always happen...

And hell yea I would want it legalized and taxed maybe we could put money into our education system or the health care system....

I dissagree with the pot does not impair your relexes, I know someone who smoked the stuff, and who was so fucked up, was in no way able to get behind the wheel of a car or anything!!!

:hammerlol

conspiracy theories, anyone? lol

I agree with Mullet :thumbsup:

You got it right on the money man!

yea it does impare you judgment and reflexes. Either way, not much good can come from it. We're Americans - we're greedy and arrogant. Its useless comparing us to another country. I had friends who used to skip and smoke all the in the bathroom and are now going "why do I have to clean up shit from the toilets?"

Back in high school after football practice buddies and I were messing around in the courtyard. A friend went long and asked for a ball, so I threw one at him. Right after the ball left my hand some guy walked out of the bathroom and the ball hit him in the shoulder. Knocked him down and his 'dime' fell out. As I was runing over to apologize the guy picked him self up and looked up at the sky. Chicken little was really concentrating there. Being the jock I was, i stopped in my tracks and looked over at my buddy;

Mike - "Whats he doing?"
Al - "I dunno."
Al - "Betcha 20 bucks I can do it again"
Mike - "Yer on!"

That one really knocked him the fuck out, got him right in the face. Won me 100 mile run. Being a jock ruled! *sigh*

There was a point in there somewhere... if you can find it.

Interesting topic, and many good points on both sides. For the use of cronic pain, I would consider it a temporary tool, but the subjects that Julbright was talking about, are the long term, sucessful routes to managing pain, and continued health. Wonderful subject, and a very interesting and enlightening world, that many have never experienced. Mind over body, personal energy, and interrelated physical, emotional and spiritual sources.

Farmgirl, do you have cronic pain? If so, may I ask why?

okay it would take me forever to quote you all...

First yea GGG23 pot does impair you to a degree but in my opinion not as much as booze...

conspiracy theory..damn right BearFan..and a good one too considering you can't high off hemp since it is a different plant than good ol' marijiana...f**kin republicans anyways... :rolleyes:

Mullet you are scary dude...won't want to meet you in a dark alley.. :D

Whta compiracy theories? General Electric has bought the patent for the everlasting light bulb, so it will never get produced.
Most of patents for Hydrogen fueled cards are owned by oil companies, so they will not have to compete againt more efficient fuel systems.
these are facts, just not stuff you see on the news.

AND THANK YOU, LECH

And we have known about hydrogen-propelled vehicles for AT LEAST 15 years, yet we won't produce them because the value of fuel driven vehicles is higher. (Also, they don't push as hard as the gas-guzzling SUV's and what American doesn't want the ability to go from zero to sixty in 2.5 milliseconds even if they never use it? Brainwashed, we are, I tell ya.)
The main reason I think that MJ should be legalized is because of the "gateway drug" theory. I don't agree that using it on its own leads to the use of heavier drugs, but the fact that it is illegal (and yes, more harmless than alcohol to your system, especially when digested instead of smoked) makes kids go underground to get it. There, they are exposed to all of the narcotics and prescription drugs for sale.

Hmmm weed........is so overrated. I have smoked it about 3 times, but put me on a natural high any day and I will be happy. I think it's stuipd, and only did it because I was curious. But then again I liked the taste. But I do still think it's overrated.

Yea it is OVERATED!! Geez, people it's pot not herion or meth..it comes out of the ground...yea its a drug but so is nicotine and alcohol...and I don't buy that gateway thing either..I have alot of friends who "SMOKE OUT" and that's all they do or have ever done...

Addicted you really liked the taste of pot...you are braver than me I abhore the taste and that is mostly why I don't do it that and my kids...even though I am in favor of legalization it does not mean that I am a pot-head...

Alcohol is the true gateway drug... how did they determine that weed is gateway drug? The study went liek this -- they asked peopel who do hard drugs if they did weed before, and most said yes... now if they asked them if they drunk beofre, they'd also say yes. That survery was a joke.
Liquor is the easiest way to get 'high', so people start with it. Weed is second easiest, so people move onto weed, and than idiots choose to try hard stuff. Just because they're idiots who do not realize what hard shit does to you it doesnt make weed gateway drug. I've done weed, and never would do hard stuff. Go figure.

2Goddes: you're welcomed =)

Again, the ONLY way I will support it is through strict penatlies. One strike and you're out. That is about all I can say on this subject. Other than that, I'd be open for it.

As for Amiee's fuel car theory - We're americans - we're arrogant, greedy and creatures of habit. An immediate change from one thing to the next wont come easy. Also we do want to go from 0 - 60 in 2.5 millimeters. If that wasnt the case, my car wouldnt have 4.2lr V10 [my little "terrorist supporting" mobile gets 8 miles to the gallon], my fathers Excursion wouldnt have a 5.5lr V12 instead of the normal v8, my cousin wouldnt have a Cobra SVT, i wouldnt see all the jacked up japs in the parking lot when I go to school, church, store, mall, porn hut, strip club, whore house, freeway, and so on and so forth. The only way I would ever buy one of those butt plugs - is if it were as fast, sturdy, powerful, and luxurious as this

Lech is right only idiots try the hard stuff..I to have smoked but I have never touched anything else...pot doesn't kill unlike herion..meth..coke..etc..

yea but you know if it gets legalized, it wont just be pot, it will be most recreational drugs. Drugs that are naturally grown, not man made - like shrooms and shit.

Yeah, it sure is.

I also know alot of friends who are pot-heads, and I have lost alot of friends who are pot-heads. I just stay away from them whenever they go to have a smoke, because I don't want to get involved in that even though I have smoked weed myself.

Yes, I did enjoy the taste, actually it was really nice. But that's about it, I mean I got on a big high, but that's it. Honestly it's stupid. I know for sure that I wouldn't waste my money on it, just like I wouldn't waste my money on alcohole, or any other kind of drug. I just think there is no point.

Fair enough...addicted.

Okay let's see if we can think of all of the "natural" drugs that would be potencially be legalized if pot was...
1. the given...Pot
2. Mullet said Schrooms...good one..
3.

Anyone think of anymore???

toads?
opium?

opium...good
what the hell are toads..

How about peyote??