Therein lies the problem. Them trying to please everybody, rock and pop audiences.

I'm not naive enough to think that music is JUST about the music, because a lot of them wouldn't be in it if they couldn't make a decent living. However, there is a certain amount of artisitic integrity some artists aren't willing to give up, and yeah, so they don't make millions, but they make enough to live on because they want to do it their way.


Success is also about the creative process. Just completing something like an album is success in some artists' eyes.

1. My Own Prison
2. Human Clay
3. One Day Remains (Would of been higher if not for the lyrics)
4. Weathered

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I don't understand some of you. Albums ARE made to make money. You don't see many bands touring repeatedly if they are not successful. They get dropped from the label, and do they continue to record and tour? No. They wake up to reality and do something that can make them a living. Don't kid yourself. When musicians write, they are writing for hits. Otherwise you would get 15 minute Tremonti songs with nothing but shredding. While this would make a select few happy, it would not be "popular" and sell records. Many of you have delusions of grandeur that "music" is all about music and nothing else. If you understand how the business world works at all, you will understand this. Especially all of you who hate Wind-Up...
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Ill just say that Albums don't make money tours do. But albums get to tours....Also i would contend that tremonti and the gang aren't in it for the money because if they were they woulld just do what creed did and play straight pop songs like some of creeds. They just want their music to be heard. I will argue more if you respond.

Albums make the label money, but in order to make money off of touring, the album needs to be successful. So, the albums are made to make money. I would also argue that AB is not in it for the money. But, ask yourself, would they continue to do it if the money wasn't there? The answer is no.

What, the lyrics are awesome!!

The lyrics are OK. Some of the lines are just incorrect or don't make sense. "To the ones in which we sing..." Ummmmm okay. That's where I miss Stapp the most - as a lyricist. But Myles is a great lyricist so maybe they'll kick ass on the next album. Tremonti is great at writing music, and okay at writing lyrics. He just needs to polish them a bit... I am sure I could come up with some more examples if I had a minute...

Agreed.

You don't know that i don't know that.

mark is certainly a good lyrcrist but stapp is easily a better writer IMO. next album i am hoping myles writes more of the lyrics (fallout has some great lyrics and second skin is also preddy good) and he writes a fair bit of the music as well. mark writes the majority of the music because he is one of the best in the world at that. they can't only work to their strengths because then their weaker areas would never improve however.

There OK, solid but I wouldn't call them awesome. One of the reasons why I loved Creed so much was for the lyrics and the feeling and messages that they had. Other than "In Loving Memory" the rest of lyrics don't do a whole lot for me. As well as what Hellboy said, there are some lines in some of the songs which leave me scratching my head.

I'm looking forward to later on when Myles has some more involvement in this area. I think AB will really hit their straps then.

Well, I can personally relate more to AB's lyrics than to Creed's lyrics, but it's all about what you've been through...

Scott has confusing lyrics too......

"Hey, Mr. Hero Walking a thin, fine line
Under the microscope of life
Remember your roots, my friend
They're right down below
'Cause heroes come and heroes go"


But yes i agree Scott is a better lyricist than Mark, but thats all he has on AB. I find the lyrics to be better with creed, but thats about it (in general).