Book of Mormon
 

has anyone here ever read it? and what do you think of it?

I have,,lost scriptures of the bible is what there book is made of , its blessed me ,but there are many books,so i keep this So i keep this verse in mind, from the bible,Ecc,ch 12 v,12 .14 ,,,Of Makinig of many books there is no end let us hear the conclusion Of the Whole Matter For God Shall Bring fourth Everywork into judgemeant With Every secret thing if its good or Evil,I Dont Study A lot of other books Because the anwsers Is in the bible,The Book of mormons i have read only to Get What The lord Had broke down in spirt That was secret in the bible,Seek and shall find,, I have nothing Against The mormons Book, Because its all coming from the same place Now a lot of people that i know do But there Morons A LOL} i really dont jude jeovha wittness Because there is a lot of hidden truths in all of these books Just like there is A lot of truth To diffrent religons, There All true to a certian point of you, People Is just narrow minded And Foucesd On what they think they know, I just do what jesus tell mes to do, Go find that Which is lost!!ROCK ON

I've read it(studied it more precisely)... it's not that much different from the Bible. Although, I was a bit biased going into the study, Mormon is the one religion that I seem to think is 100% manmade. I really really don't mean to offend any mormons with that, that's just the conclusion I've reached based on my own experiences. I some family(cousins ect.) who are mormon, and they are good people, I just think they are wrong.

oh boy here we go again

haven't read it... seems like it'd be interesting to do so, though, from a scholarly standpoint. no interest in converting to mormonism, after having read how it was concocted, so to speak.

What exactly do you mean by that?

Many people claim that it was "written" by Joseph Smith. What I say is, how could a 14 year old boy, confused about religion, with a 4th grade home education, who lived on a farm in the 1800s, who had to read in the bible (James 1:5) to ask of God before realizing he could do so, have written such a book?

Here's a really good website that is about the testing of the validity of the Book of Mormon: www.the-book-of-mormon.com


H-D :banana:

It is of the devil, I say we be good catholics and burn whoever reads this book right now, because they're gonna burn in hell anyhow, so what's the difference?

im sorry you feel that way, but how can you think this is of the devil:
Ether 4:12
And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me. I am the same that leadeth men to all good; he that will not believe my words will not believe me—that I am; and he that will not believe me will not believe the Father who sent me. For behold, I am the Father, I am the clight, and the life, and the truth of the world.

is this not true?
how could you think that this book is of the devil if it says that?

B/c He is a moron that loves to get under your skin need i say more

Now I can alwasy count on you guys to give me my intellegence assessment, and hears some other nice words... ahhh where would I be wihout you, dorks?

ye love you too you little demon!!!hehe

LOL

I wont be reading it too soon for the following reasons:

Mormon's believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

In the beginning of mormonism, they belived that there was a celestial war, where some of the celestial beings fought, and others stayed neutral, the ones that stayed neutral were cursed to be born on earth with black skin, the dark skin being refered to as the Mark of Cain, and a curse. Cursed with black skin eh? Now they let them in their churches. They never used to.

They also belive that when a hard working mormon man dies, he get's his own planet, to have as much celestial sex with as many god-women as he likes, to procreate his planet.

They wont tell U that to your face though.

That is why I wont read the book...though I have read the first page and ALREADY there is a contradiction with the bible.

What also drives me nuts is that they believe that the bible is an apostate writing, but they claim to follow it? bah!

If U read the holy bible and follow it, dont read theirs till you know yours well.

For those who read the Bible, what do you think of the 4th commandment, on Exodus 20? (About the Seventh-day).

Well we are not bound by the law anymore in the new covenant.

But what does everyone else think?

"Well we are not bound by the law anymore in the new covenant."


Said who???

omg where do you get all your false information from. im surprised at how wrong you are. i dont even know where to start. its a shame when ppl think they know what theyre talkin about when they really dont. and its more shamefull when they dont bother to find out the truth, and they draw their own conclusions.

oh my, im still in disbelieve at sincirrs remarks. how ingnorant can someone get.

Wow. Sincirr, I'm afraid you are HORRIBLY mistaken.

1. Yes. Lucifer and Jesus are brothers, but your picture is a bit blurred. In the beginning, God wanted to send someone to earth to guide the people. Lucifer said that if God sent him, everyone would do the right thing and return to live with God. Jesus said that people would have their agency, and would be tested to be sure they were worthy of living in Heaven again. That's the idea God wanted. That is when the war in heaven broke out. 1/3 of the spirits chose to follow Lucifer, and 2/3 follow Jesus. Those 1/3 that followed Lucifer will never be able to gain physical bodies or come to earth to be born, because they were escorted out of heaven and cut off from the presence of God. That is when Lucifer became Satan, or the fallen angel.

2. There was no "cursing of black skin" in heaven. When people on earth fell away, it says their "skin was darkened," yet it does not mean literally. It is an expression. Blacks were never not allowed to join the church, but it was not until the 1940s when they were allowed to hold the Priesthood.

3. Where in the heck did you hear that Mormon men get their own planet to have sex on with all the women they want? :wtf: That is ludacris and is in no way taught. What is taught is that depending on what type of life you lived depends on where you get to go in heaven, being the Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial Kingdom, or to Hell. Telestial Kingdom is believed to be like earth, and where people who have not had the oppertunity to learn of Christ go to learn, and eventually progress. The Celestial is the highest, and Terrestrial is in between. When you die, you can live with your family again. Spouse, children, parents, siblings, extended family, etc. You don't get your own friggin' planet. Sex is believed to be for the sole purpose of procreation. One of the single-most important and powerful abilities humans have.

4. What on the first page of the BoM contradicts the Bible?

5. The Bible is NOT an apostate writing. The 8th article of faith states: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. We also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God." Biblical teachings are extremly important. The Bible is a record of the beginning of the world, how God operated, the life and death of Christ, all in the old world. The Book of Mormon is the account of Christ in the new world, after his ressurection and coming to the Americas. The BoM and Bible go hand in hand. One is not better than the other. Both are used in teaching.

All anti-mormons use the same old tired arguments. It is best to get your facts straight and, more importantly, KNOW THE TEACHINGS before you bring accusations. I guarantee you that you do not have a vast enough knowledge of the religion to claim what you do. FYI - Course of study this year in Institute... The Old Testament.

Please get your facts straight. What other accusations do you have?


H-D :note:

Jesus Christ

Im not attacking mormoms
 

Please understand im not Downing Anybody Beliefs. I dont Do that B/c I belife That God is Always In Controll of Everything At All times And He Moves diffrently On Every Soul For His Own Reasons. But If Somebodys Lost Out there And Needs Help. Im Going To Send Theme Back To Calavary Amen!! Which Is Down on Your Kness Were Ever It Maybe. And Cry Out To your Daddy He will Listen. {There Are Many Books} And God Has Given Me A lot About This one. That I wont say Here!! But I will Say this. Then You Guys Go Figure Umm..k In The Beging Was The Word Which Is The Bible Umm k And The Word Was God. And The Word Became Flesh Which Is Jesus christ. Lord Of us all. Who said Im The Light Of The World. And The Truth In The Way No man can reach Father , Except By Jesus Christ. The Only Thing That Man Was Given To be set free On Earth Was The Bible The Word Of God. And If Ye Be wise U would Know Its Powerfull Book Of Secrets. And Now guys It Would be A Great Time to Start Trying To Read The Bible. B/c HES AT THE DOOR..The Bible Is overrated it Seems Now A days. But The Probleam I See That Its Very Underated. Because Knowlege Has Not Grew!! Damn Shame!!! But hey U Guys I think U Guys Are Great And What I Say I Say Out Of Love to my Fellow brothers In sisters In Christ!!! READ THE BIBLE. You Might Be supprised What u will Learn At these Times. And Lay Off my Buddy Sincirr. From A Certian Point of You my buddy Was Right. And Blessed Me When I read It. Why B/c I read The Bible...And Please Stop With The who Knows More About What I Know About Stuff!! Bottom Line Is...In To You Truly Know Your self And could bet your life on it How would Ya Know~~But I know you Guys You Love To Argue!!!Jesus Is the only One that can Lead you To Truth And His word And once You Find Truly Find that Peace And Truth U Would Not Trade It For ANYTHING. Or ANYBODY....Just love each other the way hes loved us all..........Peace :rofl: :jam: :jam: :jam: :jam:

those 1/3 are the evil spirits on earth.
namely, lamanites

i love you, colin. thanks for having the patience to explain all that.

very well said :thumbsup:
i studied mormonism, and im not trying to say mormons are evil and should be shot or anything like that, just saying that they are misled, and that the book of mormon and the whole mormon religion is a bunch of :horseshit

Everytime I see this thread come up on the forum I think it says: "Book of Moron"

LMAO! :roll:

So sorry but can't help it!! That's what it says when I read it quickly :)

No, not well said. Like I put in my post, that post from Sincirr was filled with half truths and whole lies. Not to say I wouldn't mind having my own planet where I could have constant sex with whoever I want, but that rumor is udderly and completly false.

Creedsister, I don't think I need to "lay-off Sincirr" since I wasn't ragging on him, just telling him the TRUTH and shedding some light on his misleadings. Ideas and beliefs of anti-Mormons are like an out of focus camera. If you take a picture with it out of focus, the result will be forever blurred. I was only adjusting the lens so a clear picture can be taken.

Facelessman, you're welcome. I love you too.


H-D :punk2:

"Not to say I wouldn't mind having my own planet where I could have constant sex with whoever I want..."
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Cant argue with that!

:lolsign: :lolsign: LMAO ;)

Ya know, there actually is a man in the BoM named Moron... although it is pronounced -- mor'un. He was the son of Ethem, father of Coriantor, and a late Jaredite king who ruled wickedly. He was eventually overthrown and lived in captivity. Just some random info for ya.

Oh, and here's another random piece of info for ya... We were labeled as "Mormon" because someone who had no knowledge of the church derived it as "Book of Mormons." Mormon is a person in the book as well. He was a Nephite prophet and General in the Nephite army, who kept most of the record that is now the Book of Mormon. He was one among many.


H-D :punk2:

no, its not well said, since he doesnt know what hes talkin about

youre awesome, colin! :banana:

Aaaah - God with flesh and bone...I should have realised H-D was a mormon. That was very sneaky of U.

No, I would never read the BOM all together cos there are way too many links to Joseph Smith (the founder)'s tie with the MASONIC! J.S.Jr. had a masonic jupiter talisman around his neck when he died. This talisman is documented in a magic book printed in 1801, as said to give the ability to call upon the celestial intelligences assigned to that particular talisman, to assist one in all endeavours. There were 3 names written on Joseph's talisman, and they were some of these spirits. It would give the wearer riches, favour and power.

Also the story of Enoch, (which is Fremason mythology), who J.S.Jr likes to call himself, is soooooo similar to your Joseph, and his friend Moroni, who placed the slab over the cavity in the hill, (just like Enoch did), that it just scares me. Way too freaky for me if U know where all of Fremasonry comes from. Plus it is documented that your Joseph's family had ties with magic wasnt it?

I also wont read it cos I dont believe that Jesus, as mormons believe, had WIVES! I dont believe that he was married to Mary, Martha, and Mary Magdelene and had kids. How come Matthew Mark Luke and John never mentioned them???

I also belive that My Father who art in Heaven, is not on a planet near a mysterious star called Kolob, making celestial children as your beliefs insist! If that's the truth, I have drawn my own conclusion!

There is a mormon teaching that there are a great number of planets scattered throughout outer space that are ruled by countless exalted men-gods who once were human "like us". Or has this changed? Also:

Your doctrine of the law of eternal progression also states:
As man is, God was
And as God is, man may become.

Mormon women cannot become god's only godesses, who's role it is to eternally bear children as one of many wives to a god-husband. This was the teaching in your church, unless they have changed it as well.

ALSO! In a sermon given by your Joseph,
"God was once a man like us and dwelt on earth, the same as Jesus Christ did, and you have to learn to be gods yourselves the same as all gods before you."

So what am I supposed to think!!!! Or anyone else on this board for that matter!

Also concerning the vote that was taken to see whether Lucifer or his "brother" Jesus would become the saviour of this new world Earth, I dont understand how any mormon can say U follow the bible and then claim that Jesus said that everyone would be tested to be sure that they were worthy of living in Heaven again. Have U not read Romans? Go study it, or are U too scared?

Yes, your understanding on the mark of cain I have read, and also Brigham Young in his Journal of discourses, states that because of killing his brother, the Lord put a mark on him which is the flat nose and dark skin, but I have read that it went on before that. But it's all irrelevant cos the belief system was not Godly inspired, but founded on bigotry. A means to initially label anyone of black skin as generationally cursed, their color "emblematical of eternal darkness" (J.F. Smith, in his book, The Way To Perfection); the blessings of the gospel being withheald from them.

But its all okay now, whether true or not, cos an alive prophet is more important than a dead one, so U can change it all. They are allowed into the priesthood. And that breaks my heart!

Also, concerning prophecies, Joseph Smith's ones have been edited. Original paragraphs that have been taken out that didnt come true. If U get in touch with someone that was in the church around 30 odd years ago, they may have the original prophecies. It also needs to be said that many non-mormons have dissagreed with Jo's translation's of the egyptian stuff that he found.

"We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly."
Well that is just so convenient. Oh come on!!!! As far as your religion believes, every translation is apostate! Your Orson Pratt said himself, " Who in their right mind, could for one moment, suppose the Bible in it's present form to be a perfect guide? Who knows that even one verse of the whole Bible has escaped pollution..." So yeh, you guys can believe the Bible to be the word of God as long as its translated correctly! Or do U guys have your own translation of the Bible as well? I'd love to get my hands on it.

I am exhausted! I missed CSI and that makes me cross, so I'm going, but I answered most of your post, and I may be back for more, cos I recon I missed some.

I wont have someone tell me I dont know what I am talking about, especially a mormon of this generation. The institute? Would that happen to be the BYI? Cos if it is, you are just gonna be brainwashed some more.

Do you believe in magic? haha


no we dont, who told you that? agian, anotherone of your false information


no, thats not what kolob is. again youve been wrongly informed



yeah, then what do we have to look forward to in Eternity?
no. wrong again. we believe in eternal married. meaning that when you get married here on earth, it lasts all eternity, and you can spent all eternity with you spouse and children. doent that sound good? spending all eternity with the ppl you love.


so what is this life for? its a probationary period.




yeah, what does moses have to do with what we see in these days. moses was given revelation to deal with the issues of that day, and the prophet of today (Gordon b. Hinkley) is given revelation to deal with issues of these days.



so youre telling me that it was not possible for wicked men to get their hands on the bible, and translate it as they please. news flash for you: it happened. many plain and precious things were taken out. plus, we dont discredit all translations of the bible. we do use the king james version.

so heres my conclusion. b4 you think you know about our religion, maybe you should read the book of mormon, maybe you should talk to missionaries, and maybe then youll find out the truth.

do you even know how joseph smith died?

Nice post Sincirr!

What I see Here Theres Only One Truth And One way And One Book What These other Books Are Is Confusion!!! And A lot Of prophets Gone Fricking Mad With No Balance From The Flesh And The Spirt It Happens!!!

I Rest my Case

Love you sis! :kiss:

:D

good post sincirr.

One other thing that is wrong with the mormon religion is that they believe that they can become gods by working hard all their life. Not true. First off, humans can never become gods, and you cant work your way into heaven. Salvation is a gift from the one true God. To get into heaven all u have to do is accept it. Read the New Testament. Jesus said "No one gets to the Father except through me." He didnt say that you can earn your way to heaven.

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Wow. That took the better part of an hour to read. Where to begin, where to begin...

Firstly, one of my professors here at school (not a mormon) taught me very early that in order to understand anything, you cannot only know the "what." You also have to know the "why." Anyone can say something that sounds intelligent, but you need the solid proof to back it up.

Although there is truth to Joseph having a talisman, it is not all as you explained it. Whether he had it around his neck when he died, I don't know, but what I do know is this. During that period of history, mythological healing was practiced by many. Joseph's mother was Presbiterian. His father was Methodist. Good luck charms were widely used. One such example is that it was believed you could cure warts by having someone rub a cut up onion on it, say some sort of Greek or Roman prayer, throw the onion out the door, and you would be fine. We look at that as "whoa, those people were weird." When in reality, at the time, it was not. Just as taking medicine today is practiced, people in a hundred years may look at us like we were weird for what we put in it. These types of healings are also spoken of in the Bible. The plant known as Balm of Gillead was a healing plant. Also in Biblical times, you can read of Urims and Thummims. They were essentially Prayer Rocks. When people would pray, these these rocks (that they would go outside and find) were the focal point. Now what do we do? Clasp our hands or fold our arms, close our eyes, and bow are head. Times change. If he was indeed burried with the Talisman, in the end, is not up to him, but up to whoever prepared his body for burrial. Probably Emma Smith.

I never knew Joseph liked calling himself Enoch. If a story has a parallel... whoopdy doo. Many stories do. Many stories of the early Assyrians and Phenocians (as written in Homer's Illiad and Oddyssey) were believed to be myths, yet historians are proving as true. Maybe this is just one more.

We don't teach that Jesus had wives. All we know is what has been written. Nothing has been written by any church official that says he did.

It is believed (through revelation of Moses) that heaven IS the star of Kolob. It is where heaven is. God and Jesus live in Heaven. Where do you believe heaven is? If it is in the clouds, why have I not seen God when I've flown in an airplane? We cannot have "celestial children" as we wish. Children can ONLY be concieved on earth. There is no "making babies" in heaven.

I have heard of no teaching that says we have our own planets. Yes, we can become gods, but we don't rule ourselves. Take this for example. If you work on a construction site and want to do work on the roof, you have to check with your foreman to see if it's ok or if he wants you to work on siding. Just because we believe that ALL PEOPLE will become as gods, not only mormons. Just becuase you have the power, doesn't mean thats all you spend your time doing. Addressing your next point again, women will have the same capibilities, and will not be bearing children in heaven.

There was not "vote" between Lucifer and Jesus. Jesus said that God's will would be done. Lucifer wanted his way. God chose Jesus. Yes, I have read Romans. One of my favorite Bible verses is Romans 1:16.

The Mark of Cain is not necessarilly literal. What it means is that he was in some way marked that other's would know what he had done. Yes, at one time many believed that this "blackness" was literal. Although blacks were allowed into the church, they could not hold the priesthood until it was better understood that ALL worthy men could hold the priesthood. The church is of God and not founded on biggotry. How can people claim that a church founded on the principles of God and Jesus Christ and their unconditional love for us, and that we can all return to live with them someday be an appostate and worship a devil?

Things don't change with a prophet dies and another is called. They recieve revelation from Jesus and God and uphold the church. There was a lot of controversy in the Church when Spencer W. Kimball recieved the revelation that blacks could hold the priesthood and many people left the church because of it. Equal rights are different today than they were a hundred years ago. Just like what I addressed before about medicine. In the Old Testament, the people would offer burnt sacrifices to God. We don't do that anymore. Do you think we should? Since God wanted it and now it's all different?

I have never heard of the prophecies being edited. What do you mean "Egyptian stuff"?

We believe that the most correct translation of the Bible (other than the original Hebrew and Greek versions) is the King James Bible. You can go buy it at any bookseller. Over time, language changes. The King James Bible is not the first english translation. There were many before that. King James had it translated in 1666 by 24 scholars. We believe it to be the most correct. The New International Verson, the New King James, the New Revised Standard, and all the rest, although good, are different from the original. Things that would be said then now have different meanings. Not in all, but many aspects. The King James Version is not even 100%, so to copy in in modern-day language changes even more. A professor of mine who is Jewish has commented that although the King James is very good, it's not as accurate as the original Hebrew. He also says that Mormonism and Judiasm are extremly similar, and though he doesn't believe in the BoM, he has great respect for it. He has a doctrate in History and has studdied over 50 religions. Do you want me to believe now that Judiasm, one of the world's oldest religions, is an appostacy?

BYI? I think you mean BYU. It stands for Brigham Young University. Anyone can attend it if they so choose. Just like any other school. Institute is a program that is taught where there is no LDS run school. Here on my campus, for example. Trust me. BYU is fine. I'm telling you all this because you DON'T know what you are talking about. Like I said in the beginning, to know what you are talking about, you can't only know the what, but also the why.

The idea of Monotheism began thousands of years ago with the Hebrews around 1600 BCE, or 3600 years ago. Before that, to the Assyrians, Mesopotamians, Egyptians, and many others, were Polytheistic. Even that has changed. Which is correct? The bible doesn't date back that far. The bible is based in Judiasm.

In old days, people use to use a stick to find water in the ground. Sounds ludacris, right? We have little to no need to do that today, therefore it was stupid they thought they could do that. In the book of Isiah, we are taught that Jesus is the stick of the redeemer and will lead us to everlasting waters.

1 Samuel 16:7 states that men judge based on the outward appearance, but the Lord judges based on the intentions of the heart. Our intentions are good. All the people of the world will be judged according to his or her own actions. If we (all people of the world) do what we should, as governed by God, we will live with him again someday.

One last teaching of Jesus Christ: "Judge not lest ye be judged." Come back anytime with more brain-busters.

Just out of curiosity, what religion do you believe in?


H-D :)

Facelessman -- Thanks for your input as well.

Faith without works is dead. In other words, just because someone says they believe doesn't make it so. You must prove your worthiness. Just becuase everyone is loved by the Lord doesn't mean that you're guaranteed salvation. Prove you love, and you'll have nothing to worry about.


H-D :)