No problem, I understand. As far as the other guy goes, I would not go so far as saying I hate Scott Stapp.... It's just that ever since Chicago I think of him in a different light. I really wish that Creed gets back together in the future (with all the members), but I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/physically stable and defers more control to the other members of the band.

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It just get's too much sometimes

i know

Ever since Chicago, I haven't lost respect for Stapp, I just feel sorry for him. Let's not even mention Chicago.

I know this is you sharing your opinions, but how can you say, "I think the only way it will happen is if Stapp becomes more emotionally/phisically stable" :wtf: Come on dude, you don't see it all behind the eyes of the band. You can't see into the hearts of their personal lives. You can't say that, if Stapp hasn't been "Emotionally and physically stable" Don't you think they would have left and done solo albums much more quickly than this? It just doesn't make sence to me what you are trying to say, how you are interpreting these things.

because haley shes a dumb :censored:

Uh-oh lol

Makes a lot of sense to me... I don't claim to know his heart -- nobody can but him. I'm just looking at what's happened. Were you at the Penn State Show? At Chicago? Haven't you noticed Stapp's voice faltering over the past few months? The fact that Mark/Stapp aren't talking to each other? The fact that the band is separating? I also think the amount of (dis)respect they get in the "rock community" is another factor that perhaps caused the separation. We all know fans and non-fans realize that Stapp has a bit of an ego... don't you think it's *possible* that it might be a factor?

Hey, I'm just thinking out loud here. I'm an old school Creed fan, but I'm not afraid to speak my mind. Oh, and creedsister, I'm a 24 yr old male. Not female. ;)

You spelled separating correctly.....matter of fact I think that you spelled every word in your post correctly. I think I love you. :cool:

Huh? lol ;)

That's the thing, maybe you shouldn't think out loud so often.

No, I didn't go to Chicago, I live in New Zealand. I haven't heard any live concerts by Creed over the last few months, any interviews, or any recent audio from Scott Stapp, so I obviously wouldn't be able to notice his voice faltering.

The fact that Mark and Stapp aren't talking...fuck, here we go again. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, SO JUST LEAVE IT THE HELL ALONE!!!

And I don't think that it's a possibility, no, not really. The "rock community". Creed have had alot of critics, alot of bashers over the years, they have taken alot of crap for what they do, you think that some "disrespect" would worry them and lead to a break up? I seriously doubt it.

Thinking out loud is great, especially on message boards. If you don't like me thinking out loud, why reply? It just gets me thinking more. :D


You'd understand a little more if you were there. Penn State show too. The show was one thing, but Stapp's subsequent voicemails and letters to reporters, plus his appearances on shows like the Abrams Report -- where he completely denied being intoxicated and that he was just "expressing" himself -- was quite telling of his nature, as far as I'm concerned. Judging from that very high-profile and serious incident/response, I would conclude he's the kind of guy that doesn't like to admit he's wrong. Did that nature contribute to Creed's separation? I think it very well could have.


Well, if you believe Mark's brother (i.e. the info surrounding the Creed separation), then you have to believe everything he says. Micheal said that both Stapp and Mark "have gone their separate ways." Sounds fairly cut-and-dry to me.



Come now... if you're a musician and you consistently get negative reviews and popular *hatred* (not just disrespect) from a lot of rock fans, you don't think it has any effect at all? I think it had at least something to do with it.

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I didn't say that you shouldn't think out loud, no kidding that's what message boards are for, but maybe you shouldn't think out loud as often as you do.

Conclude, conclude, conclude. Is that really all you ever do? So maybe Stapp doesn't like to admit he's wrong. I haven't really taken that into consideration and thought that maybe he's one that acts like that, I highly doubt it, but you can think what you like.

Yes but there's more to it. Things that we don't know.

Oh, you are talking about disrespect from the fans! I thought you were talking about getting that from the critics, etc. But wait a second, wait a second. You have picked up hatred, and disrespect from the fans. How much "hatred" have you picked up on, exactly?

There's no hatred and disrespect toward Scott, Flip, OR Mark, from true fans on this board. I know you didn't exactly mention this boad, but I'm just saying

thats right