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JulieCitySlicker 11-04-2004 07:06 PM

LMFAO! Mullet you crack me up :lolsign:

Xterminator27 11-04-2004 07:55 PM

Ive left my house MANY times, (Weather is global trips or whatever you mean) therefore 90% of your comebacks are obsolete mulletman.

Plus canada has the #1 drug problem, HA to bad you made that shit up in your head, yhea im sure we far outpace fuckign venusuala and ecudor in drug problems.


And noone should have guns, most americans cant handle the responsibily of owning a gun therefore you get all the problems, if to many people are to stupid to use them wisley then dont let anyone have them. Guns are to much power for anyone to have, they should be illegal worldwide.

Other then that you pritty much agreed that your country is shit, kthksbi

Torn Daredevil 11-04-2004 08:29 PM

Holy shit, XTerminator... You are a raving lunatic. Ha, I've seen "Bowling for Columbine" and that is where you stole most of your false facts. Have you ever been to the US? It's nothing like you described. Well I've been to Canada, and it's full of dumbass Canucks, eh? I would literally live anywhere in Europe before moving to Canada, the land of the liberal, hippie- fairies. Why do other nations feel their opinions of the US matter? If everyone loves Canada, why is our population hundreds of millions more than yours?
WHAT WE DO IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!

Ranting aside, please stay out of our business. Would you like me telling you who you could or couldn't have as your leader. Just leave us alone. As far as the world's problems... BLAME CANADA! LOL

Canada is a fucking lame-ass welfare state with nothing going for it... That's just reality... :D Your truly talented citizens (which are few and far between) have to come here to make a living for themselves... That says a lot, hahahahahahahahaha. :lolsign:

Torn Daredevil 11-04-2004 08:40 PM

Eh dere, right X???

JulieCitySlicker 11-04-2004 08:50 PM

OMFG :laugh:
Only cuz its X ;)

OneOmerta 11-04-2004 09:29 PM

Lol
 
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Just leave us alone. As far as the world's problems... BLAME CANADA! LOL


LOL...now that was funny!

mulletman...checked out your pics on your site...awesome pics!

I voted for Bush...and I'm glad he won! I do realize others in THIS Country are not happy with that...and I respect that. However...what any one else from other Countries feel....sorry...I really could care less what your opinion is on the matter. YOU DON'T LIVE HERE, pay taxes or vote!

I actually like Canada...grew up right on the border of Canada when I lived in Michigan. One of my good friends lives in Canada. My husband is in Canada right now hunting, has been going there for several years (because it's such a barren land LOL)...and YES Xterm....he is there with 2 guns! YIKES! But I guarentee you he will be home without shooting himself LOL! In fact...we own MANY MANY MANY guns in my household here in America (my husband is also a police officer..and a member of the swat team, and an AVID hunter). And guess what?...we're quite capable of handling those guns in a mature, safe way!

I spoke to my girlfriend in Canada today...I specifically asked her about the healthcare you have there...out of curiosity. Yes...she's never paid a dime for treatment...other than medicines...but she also said that their TAXES are one of the HIGHEST in the world! I believe she said the SECOND highest taxes in the world...but don't quote her on that ;)

And about the obesity thing...really....wtf does that have to do with anything? I've been to Canada....my husband goes there every year...you all have what you call "fatties" (which is quite a RUDE thing to say) up there as well dude. I figured ya'll just used that as a way to keep warm up there, ya know...extra insulation ;)

JulieCitySlicker 11-04-2004 09:36 PM

Ya,no kiddin! That fat comment was uncalled for! I have a lot of close friends and family members that I love deeply that have struggled with their weight and that is nothing to be made fun of and making fun of it is rather immature on your part X :mad:

Mr.CreedFreakTN 11-04-2004 11:40 PM

Your truly talented citizens (which are few and far between)
 
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Originally Posted by Hellboy
Holy shit, XTerminator... You are a raving lunatic. Ha, I've seen "Bowling for Columbine" and that is where you stole most of your false facts. Have you ever been to the US? It's nothing like you described. Well I've been to Canada, and it's full of dumbass Canucks, eh? I would literally live anywhere in Europe before moving to Canada, the land of the liberal, hippie- fairies. Why do other nations feel their opinions of the US matter? If everyone loves Canada, why is our population hundreds of millions more than yours?
WHAT WE DO IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!

Ranting aside, please stay out of our business. Would you like me telling you who you could or couldn't have as your leader. Just leave us alone. As far as the world's problems... BLAME CANADA! LOL

Canada is a fucking lame-ass welfare state with nothing going for it... That's just reality... :D have to come here to make a living for themselves... That says a lot, hahahahahahahahaha. :lolsign:

Please send Peter Jennings back to Canada he's part of our liberal loving media, while your at it take Michael Moore too. No, on second thought send him to Iraq and let him run his mouth, he wouldn't last long.

RMadd 11-05-2004 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ann Allusion
I have to question this statement...how many here have served in the military..??...once you are sworn in, you become the PROPERTY of the United States Government...as said PROPERTY you are expected to AGREE to any and all positions you will be put into in support of your GOVERNMENT...period, no opinions, or questions asked....your rights and choices are no longer yours to decide....or so they would like you to believe.

with that said, NO soldier who wishes to avoid being court marshalled will say or do anything other than what he/she has been TOLD to say/do. Keeping ones thoughts to one's self is also necessairy for morale reasons...

I'll give you that some of the soldiers may have said and feel the way you have posted, HD...but i will also guarntee that there are MANY MORE who quietly disagree with what is going on and have an opinion quite the opposite as to what is being "reported"...and most are doing what they have to to survive and be able to come home in one piece.

but as of right now, the US military is strictly voluntary

RMadd 11-05-2004 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
OH MY GOD THATS FUNNY

America = #1 FATTEST country in the world, 1/5 people have obesity in some citys, Fucking mcdonalds owns the city, Fatties everywhere, canada has barly any obese people (only 3 kids in my ENTIRE School are obese) and only one is in my grade yet she is still popular

i'll give you that, it's pretty bad... mcdonald's, though, doesn't own any cities, at least not so far as i recall

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
America = #1 CRIME COUNTRY
You people put locks and chains on your doors at all times, you have ghettos, there places where people get SHOT all the time.
(you ever seen bowling for columbine where moore cheaks the canadian doors and finds them all unlocked? Thats no set up, NOONE locks their doors here simply because NOONE in CANADA is stupid enough to fuck with other people) TO BAD in america its the exact opposite.

way to use stereotypes. sure we lock our doors, but i can't say i'm afraid to get shot or anything at all. it doesn't come down to people having the intelligence to fuck w/ people or not. but the point you raise about unlocked doors may explain why, in the movie Canadian Bacon, they propose we invade Canada with leafblowers

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
If your american and you go on a trip people throw shit at you because you suck,
IF your canadian and you go on a trip, everyone loves you, because EVERYONE LOVES CANADA.

this is strange... what i've heard, in classes and from other foreigners, people don't dislike americans, they just dislike our gov't

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
Amercia = One of the most polluted and shit-infested countries in teh world.
Canada = THE MOST cleanest and polution free country in teh world with the SECOND LARGEST supply of freash water.

well, considering your freshwater is the Hudson Bay, glaciers, and all those uninhabited frozen islands up towards the North Pole, it's pretty easy to see how you have so much water... does Russia have the most?
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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
In america, hafe of everyone hates thier government and its always fucked up,
In canada literally everyone loves our prime minister and every one does a great job.

well, in the US, our democracy is prolonged by people disagreeing and wanting to find a better way.

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
In america, people have guns, 20,000+ people die from gunshots whereas in canada 100+ people die and most are americans in Canada.
Rape/Kidnapping isnt common at all here, of course theres the odd wako, but compared to america is heaven.

population does play a role there... esp density.... sure our rape rates of humans is high, but i think our moose-rape rate is pretty low lol

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
America = IF you need surgery, be prepared to sell your house or die
Canada = "You need surgery?? Why come in free then!"

really? i don't know of anyone who has had surgery and been forced to sell their house or be faced with the ultimatum of death

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
America = SHIT/ One of the worst countrys to live in
Canada = Greatness./ One of, if not the BEST country to live in.

if that's so, then why is 75% of your great nation's population residing within a mere 100 miles of the US? and why do many immigrants go to Canada to come to the US rather than crossing in Mexico? you should be damn glad our border is unfortified

RMadd 11-05-2004 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.CreedFreakTN
Please send Peter Jennings back to Canada he's part of our liberal loving media, while your at it take Michael Moore too. No, on second thought send him to Iraq and let him run his mouth, he wouldn't last long.

:hammerlol

Torn Daredevil 11-05-2004 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RMadd
but as of right now, the US military is strictly voluntary

And it's gonna remain that way.

Xterminator27 11-05-2004 12:54 AM

[quote=Hellboy]but as of right now, the US military is strictly voluntary[quote]

yes but most people who join the military eather

1. have no choice (there welfare like most of america because its a dump)
2. they have no education (like most americans.(ones that dont libe near you))
3. They have no clue what they are getting into, and once they join, the only way out is a perment injury (like loss of limbs which THOUSANDS of americans suffer for the rest of their life because of the war) or loss of life, which hundreds even lose because of a profit snatch.

You see those letters they right and shit, these kids think its going to be a game, until they get shot and realize that their life ends right there right now.

If ANYONE had any real idea of what war is like, then the military would have barly any applications.
Have you ever actuially seen the recruitment officers? They trick these kids into thinking its a great experiance everyone should have, and a great way to see the world and such. Then they drag someone elses children to die for money that they want.

Truly sick people run your country, which is why its shit

Torn Daredevil 11-05-2004 12:59 AM

What the fuck are you talking about?

Higher_Desire 11-05-2004 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by heinzel
first of all, i'm not against the war in iraq. Saddam was a dictator he's gone, that's fine by me. But the americans went there for the wrong reason, there are no mass destruction weapons. So, go there cause you wanna remove saddam.
Second, I don't care about soldiers (doens't matter from which side they are) dying.
It's war, people die.
third, I don't care about the soldiers oppinion weither they support the war.
What you must not forget, is that there a people living in iraq, not only american soldiers.

Heinzel, with all due respect, you seem a little self-centered. Especially that you "don't care" about what they soldiers think. THEY'RE the ones fighting. Maybe I'll listen to you when you say that this all sucks when you're over there fighting instead of just complaining.

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Originally Posted by Ann Allusion
I have to question this statement...how many here have served in the military..??...once you are sworn in, you become the PROPERTY of the United States Government...as said PROPERTY you are expected to AGREE to any and all positions you will be put into in support of your GOVERNMENT...period, no opinions, or questions asked....your rights and choices are no longer yours to decide....or so they would like you to believe.

with that said, NO soldier who wishes to avoid being court marshalled will say or do anything other than what he/she has been TOLD to say/do. Keeping ones thoughts to one's self is also necessairy for morale reasons...

I'll give you that some of the soldiers may have said and feel the way you have posted, HD...but i will also guarntee that there are MANY MORE who quietly disagree with what is going on and have an opinion quite the opposite as to what is being "reported"...and most are doing what they have to to survive and be able to come home in one piece.

Just because under law, military personnel ARE "property" of the US Government, it doesn't mean that that they are the head honchos' personal puppets. You don't "have" to agree with everything, in fact, you're not supposed to. It's this little thing we have called freedom. Free to act however we want, support who we want, and fight if we want.

Also, where did you read "the opposite" to what I posted? It's weird that more people oppose Bush than support him, when over 75% support him. By my math skills (which granted are not that strong) means there would be less than 24% that oppose him. I'd like to see this "source" you were reading.


**
At this current moment, four close friends of mine are in the Middle East. I keep in contact with them, writing to each other 2-3 times a month. They love what they are doing (ie, keeping america free) and are over there by there own choosing of wanting to defend their country. Also, my adopted-grandmother's son was serving in Iraq. When he turned 60, the government FORCED him to retire from the military and come home. He was angry about that because he was doing something he believed in. He even tried to go back. Every one of them support Bush and this war. This war is NOT about weapons of mass destruction. It is about terrorism. It has gone on for too long and something is finally happening to try to stop it. We thought Iraq may have WMD, but they didn't. That doesn't mean that we only invaded them because we thought they did. What it boils down to is this: the men and women over there are over there because they made the decision to join the military. Many even AFTER the war had started. They knew they ran a high chance of going over there. They did it because they believe in it, and want to help keep America as the free and strong country that it is.


H-D :pimp:

heinzel 11-05-2004 04:47 AM

Wauw, one night sleeping and a war of words breaks out between the Us and Canada.
Although I really need some answers.
Why do so many people die cause of the gunfights?
Why is it legal to have a gun? This really strange in my opinion.
Why isn't the hospital for free? In holland everybody can go to the hospital.
How come that a lot of people live under the poorborder? (don't know how to say this)
But then on the other hand, some of the rich people are so freaking rich.

Someone stated that canada has a drugproblem.
Here in Amsterdam where i live, you can buy weed in the shop. I do it. I smoke up. It's great. I'm not a crimimal though. I go to the university.
Drugs are not a problem if it;s not a crime you know.

Mulletman 11-05-2004 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ann Allusion
btw...congrats on going to OTS...you will have a whole new world to learn about once you are comissioned and become active...that is, if your work is not limited to a desk job in some office, somewhere... :)


I get that a lot, specially from my father.

"Lieutenant, get me something to drink!"
"Lieutenant, drive me to work."
"If I remember, you were never an officer . . ."
". . .don't push it little man." :)

OneOmerta, I assume you mean those of me with the General?

Mr.CreedFreakTN 11-05-2004 10:07 AM

[quote=Xterminator27][quote=Hellboy]but as of right now, the US military is strictly voluntary
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yes but most people who join the military eather

1. have no choice (there welfare like most of america because its a dump)
2. they have no education (like most americans.(ones that dont libe near you))
3. They have no clue what they are getting into, and once they join, the only way out is a perment injury (like loss of limbs which THOUSANDS of americans suffer for the rest of their life because of the war) or loss of life, which hundreds even lose because of a profit snatch.

You see those letters they right and shit, these kids think its going to be a game, until they get shot and realize that their life ends right there right now.

If ANYONE had any real idea of what war is like, then the military would have barly any applications.
Have you ever actuially seen the recruitment officers? They trick these kids into thinking its a great experiance everyone should have, and a great way to see the world and such. Then they drag someone elses children to die for money that they want.

Truly sick people run your country, which is why its shit
This is directed to you Xterminator , you talk about our education system here in America, but reading your post makes me question yours. Atleast they teach us to spell here. Were you not in class when they were teaching spelling, or were you out tipping moose.

The Lithium 11-05-2004 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.CreedFreakTN
Bush didn't start this war, we didn't start this war, the terrorist started this war and we are making sure damn sure that we finish this war. Oh and if you enjoy your freedom all over the world, thank a soldier because they are dying for it, for you and me. The right man got the job. Our country the great UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is always helping other countries in trouble so I would suggest that you all love they neighbor because you never know when your 911 may occur and you need our help. GOD BLESS AMERICAl.

No, the terrorist did NOT start this war!! Bin Laden have got NOTHING to do with Iraq, this was a war Bush started 'cause the wanted the oil! Shame!

And let's put it this way. If Moore lies, which I'm sure he's not, Bush still says A LOT of stupid stuff in that movie, and you can't deny that! Unless you are as stupid yourselvs!

Mr.CreedFreakTN 11-05-2004 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lithium
No, the terrorist did NOT start this war!! Bin Laden have got NOTHING to do with Iraq, this was a war Bush started 'cause the wanted the oil! Shame!

And let's put it this way. If Moore lies, which I'm sure he's not, Bush still says A LOT of stupid stuff in that movie, and you can't deny that! Unless you are as stupid yourselvs!

Lithium,

In all due respect what do you know about our country and this war, other than what you hear about it from your parents and your media. Bush didn't try to blow up our Twin Towers in the 90's BIN LADEN did. Bush didn't commission terrorist to fly planes into them on 9/11, BIN LADEN did. BIN LADEN started this war . We are only defending our home land , and are liberating Iraq. As far As your Hero in Michael Moore , there is a rebuttal to his full of lies piece of trash of film. Rent Farenhype 911 you'll learn something about your hero.

RMadd 11-05-2004 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellboy
What the fuck are you talking about?

that's what I'm trying to figure out, too, dude.
to X: looks like someone has a few preconceived (and horribly false) notions about the way our military works. i've got 2 good friends who joined the military after high school, one as a Reservist so he could go to college @ the same time and the other as active duty b/c he didn't want to go to college yet (he's now looking @ schools after his enlistment is up in a little while). X, don't even tell me they had no idea what they were getting themselves into. plus, so far as i know, their families aren't on welfare (and most americans aren't either, though you seem to believe the opposite). it seems as though much of what you think the US is like is very very very very very very very skewed. our military is comprised of guys who largely want to be there. that might help explain why it's considered the strongest in the world. how about canada's military, eh? it's like the ever-so-common joke down here: you hear about a military mishap in Canuckland, which is followed by the obligatory question. Such as, recently I saw there was a problem with a Canadian Naval vessel. the headline I saw was something to the effect of "Canadian Navy boat sinks. In other news, Canada has a Navy." oh, and if I had to guess, i'd say most of the guys in the military haven't been shot yet

Mulletman 11-05-2004 10:50 AM

"Stupid is as stupid does"

I take it your refering to his incoherent rambling, The majority of those Bush Administration quotes were spliced, spun, and horeibly edited. Case in point, The Condeliza Rice quote, that fat bastard took that quote so out of context it should be libel.

Now if Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have nothing to do with Saddam and Iraq, then explain Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

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Originally Posted by Xterminator27
1. have no choice (there welfare like most of america because its a dump)
2. they have no education (like most americans.(ones that dont libe near you))
3. They have no clue what they are getting into, and once they join, the only way out is a perment injury (like loss of limbs which THOUSANDS of americans suffer for the rest of their life because of the war) or loss of life, which hundreds even lose because of a profit snatch.


Most, no; but a large partion of those that enlist do fall into these three catagories.

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Originally Posted by Heinzel
Wauw, one night sleeping and a war of words breaks out between the Us and Canada.
Although I really need some answers.
Why do so many people die cause of the gunfights?
Why is it legal to have a gun? This really strange in my opinion.
Why isn't the hospital for free? In holland everybody can go to the hospital.
How come that a lot of people live under the poorborder? (don't know how to say this)
But then on the other hand, some of the rich people are so freaking rich.


The fact that we can get guns legally doesnt not have a significant impact on the violence/deaths the US has due to guns. Citizens can buya gun if they choose to for either protection, collection, or sport [hunting, etc.]. Those that purposely harm others with guns do NOT get these guns legally. One thing you have to realize is, that in order to get a gun, you need to undergo a local police check, credit check, FBI check, and if youre not a natural born citizen, they look into your country of origin for extra stuff. Its a long and tideous process that takes alteast 6 weeks just to get a yes/no answer.

The reason that there is a large divide between the rich and the poor is due to our capitalistic nature. If you can work hard and sacrifice many things to get to where you are, then why do you have to share that with those that didnt. Albiet there are other factors to "those that didnt" in a nut shell - thats why.

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Originally Posted by Heinzel
Someone stated that canada has a drugproblem.
Here in Amsterdam where i live, you can buy weed in the shop. I do it. I smoke up. It's great. I'm not a crimimal though. I go to the university.
Drugs are not a problem if it;s not a crime you know.


Yes, I said that. This isnt something as trivial as pot or any other "party drug", this is with hardcore drugs, the stuff that mkaes you look like Scott Weiland. Canada's drug problem has to do with cartels running th streets. Im talking about large wieght, worth in the millions. The stuff that movies are made of.

The Lithium 11-05-2004 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.CreedFreakTN
Lithium,

In all due respect what do you know about our country and this war, other than what you hear about it from your parents and your media. Bush didn't try to blow up our Twin Towers in the 90's BIN LADEN did. Bush didn't commission terrorist to fly planes into them on 9/11, BIN LADEN did. BIN LADEN started this war . We are only defending our home land , and are liberating Iraq. As far As your Hero in Michael Moore , there is a rebuttal to his full of lies piece of trash of film. Rent Farenhype 911 you'll learn something about your hero.

Iraq has nothing to do with Bin Laden.

As for now, I think you all get my opinion, and I won't be bitching about this anymore, 'cause I don't wanna piss anyone off badly. I don't want our opinions to come in the way for our great contact on this board!

I will remove my BUSH IS TERROR avatar as soon as I reinstall Photoshop.

Torn Daredevil 11-05-2004 11:49 AM

Yes, Lith. They are related. Hussein being in power gave all terrorists in the middle east a free ticket to practice terrorism. He made the middle east a terror state. End of story.

And also, thank you. I trust you got my e-mail. :)

Steve 11-05-2004 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lithium
No, the terrorist did NOT start this war!! Bin Laden have got NOTHING to do with Iraq, this was a war Bush started 'cause the wanted the oil! Shame!

And let's put it this way. If Moore lies, which I'm sure he's not, Bush still says A LOT of stupid stuff in that movie, and you can't deny that! Unless you are as stupid yourselvs!


Lithium, did you read any of the previous links I posted regarding the link between 9/11 and Saddam, and the truth about Moore's movie? Because it seems like you didn't. If you don't want to be open to other information, it's not worth debating you because you'll simply keep referring to your false information.

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Originally Posted by heinzel
Why isn't the hospital for free? In holland everybody can go to the hospital.


What's the population of Holland, compared to the US? How much tax is taken from your paycheck by the government to pay for the free healthcare? What is the standard of healthcare?

whitebird 11-05-2004 11:57 AM

Some time ago, when several of us on this board were pleading for peace in this world, one of the people posting on this thread responded to my post with the quote "Better their children dead than ours".

I don't believe I will ever forget those words. They shocked me to the core of my being. And I know that the person using those words considers themselves a Christian.

I was raised a Christian, so I will use Jesus and his teachings to make my point, though I believe there are many truths in many religions.

If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he support the killing of children and innocents, rationalizing that the end justifies the means?

One of the children that I work with asked me who I voted for, I replied that I had voted for Kerry. Her eyes got wide, and she proclamed " Mrs. - you aren't moral".

This is my example of how this election has divided our country, "Out of the mouths of babes".

Mr.CreedFreakTN 11-05-2004 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by whitebird
Some time ago, when several of us on this board were pleading for peace in this world, one of the people posting on this thread responded to my post with the quote "Better their children dead than ours".

I don't believe I will ever forget those words. They shocked me to the core of my being. And I know that the person using those words considers themselves a Christian.

I was raised a Christian, so I will use Jesus and his teachings to make my point, though I believe there are many truths in many religions.

If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he support the killing of children and innocents, rationalizing that the end justifies the means?

One of the children that I work with asked me who I voted for, I replied that I had voted for Kerry. Her eyes got wide, and she proclamed " Mrs. - you aren't moral".

This is my example of how this election has divided our country, "Out of the mouths of babes".

WWJD? That is the age old question. In the Old Testament God was a vengeful God. An eye for an eye. Also turn the other cheek. What do you do after you've turned both?

whitebird 11-05-2004 12:24 PM

Mr.CreedFreak TN, how ironic that you are the first to respond to my post, since it was you who said "Better their children dead, than ours".

Twist your rational any way you want, but I ask again would Jesus have agreed to the killing of children?

RMadd 11-05-2004 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whitebird
If Jesus were walking the earth today, would he support the killing of children and innocents, rationalizing that the end justifies the means?

that said, what's your take on Saddam Hussein? How about Osama bin Laden organizing a plot to drive 4 passenger jets into symbols of our country?

Mr.CreedFreakTN 11-05-2004 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by whitebird
Mr.CreedFreak TN, how ironic that you are the first to respond to my post, since it was you who said "Better their children dead, than ours".

Twist your rational any way you want, but I ask again would Jesus have agreed to the killing of children?

Their is no nice way in a war to say it. I'd rather no child or anyone for that matter get killed, but unfortunately that is not the case. What I was meaning by that was simply the war for now is over there, we are here living our daily lives in peace for the most part. I don't want it to come over here and harm us again. Another thing to think about, they have a show like we have here similar to Sesame Street did you know that their main character is a child suicide bomber? They have different beliefs, we have different beliefs. Yes I do consider myself a Christian , however I'm not without fault. Are you? You say you voted for Kerry , thats great atleast you voted. You also talked about me saying better their children than ours, however you supported a man who believes in abortion, isn't that killing a child. What is the difference? For Stem Cell research to help cure disease, but yet it takes the life of an unborn. I'm not trying to start anything with anyone I'm just voicing my opinions as everyone else.

Ann Allusion 11-05-2004 12:54 PM

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WWJD? That is the age old question. In the Old Testament God was a vengeful God. An eye for an eye. Also turn the other cheek. What do you do after you've turned both?

the key words in your post are "IN THE OLD TESTAMENT"...before the coming of the teachings of the Christ...and eye for an eye was the law of the land, and an eye for an eye, only adds fuel to the fires of war...but it was thru Christ's teachings we learned to turn the other cheek and to build on a foundation of LOVE and UNDERSTANDING...

You asked, "WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU'VE TURNED BOTH?"...you can turn your cheek once again...and continue to love your enemy unconditionally...that is what i believe Jesus was teaching...because "death" has no sting for those that believe...

Would Jesus approve of what is happening in the world today?...i believe that God/Jesus know quite well what is going on...we, as human beings can exercise our free will in the choices we make, but God is the only judge of what any of us (including Hussain) do, with that free will...we cannot second guess how Jesus/God receives what is going on...we can only speak for ourselves.

whitebird 11-05-2004 12:57 PM

My "Take"? I believe that it was a horror.

But I believe that if Bush had united the world and it's countries for peace, instead of "A War On Terror", the direction of this planet would be positive and progressive. I see our country regressing toward hate and prejudice.

Killing, in the name of peace. Does our country truly believe that this can be a Christian concept?

Steve 11-05-2004 01:32 PM

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Killing, in the name of peace. Does our country truly believe that this can be a Christian concept?


So do you disagree with WWI and WWII ?

whitebird 11-05-2004 01:53 PM

Steve, I can see this subject circling around and around upon it self. Shocking horrors have been committed in the past, and I believe we should learn and remember the past, but I am living and breathing in a time where there are tools for peace, and I believe they should be used.

Steve 11-05-2004 02:07 PM

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Steve, I can see this subject circling around and around upon it self. Shocking horrors have been committed in the past, and I believe we should learn and remember the past, but I am living and breathing in a time where there are tools for peace, and I believe they should be used.


How do you propose we deal with terrorism, Saddam Hussein, etc. then? I'm just curious... because there's the "utopia" idea and there's reality. It's easy to say we should work with the rest of the world and not fight because fighting's wrong. However in reality, that just doesn't cut it. Try telling a suicide bomber that we should all love one another.

whitebird 11-05-2004 02:32 PM

Steve, I'm not perfect, and I don't have all the answers to your questions. All I truly know for a fact is this, war and hatred begets the same.

On this board and thread I have seen a division between countries, name calling, and cruelty. People purposefully hurting others.

I know that this is not the way, and I believe others do too. Many minds and many hearts from all over the world can help to create unity in our world, and with that, a start toward peace.

I for one am willing to try here. I will not express hatred, I will not condemn other countries as a whole, and I will not fight on this thread.

A small start, I know.

Anyone care to join me?

bgivens33 11-05-2004 03:03 PM

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Lithium, did you read any of the previous links I posted regarding the link between 9/11 and Saddam, and the truth about Moore's movie? Because it seems like you didn't. If you don't want to be open to other information, it's not worth debating you because you'll simply keep referring to your false information.


I did and got quite a laugh out of it. First off, you posted a Deroy Murdock article... red flag immediately. He is a hard core conservative, of COURSE he's going to back Cheney/Bush. The second one seemed to be some post in a forum... why should I believe her?? She gave no credentials, no evidence, it was just some random person. The fact is, no real evidence has been found linking al-Qaida and Iraq in reference to the attacks according to the 9/11 Commission.

As for how to deal with terrorism, that seems to be the question of the decade so far. I don't know the answer. I will say this though, we are not fighting a tangible enemy. If we destroy every last member of al-Qaida the war won't be over. We are fighting an idea that America is evil. An idea the enemy has repeatedly shown they will die for. And I don't think invading another country, as bad of a history as they have, on a wild-goose chase for WMD is a good idea. America is further ingraining this hatred into those people and they will stop at nothing until they inflict harm on this land.

Torn Daredevil 11-05-2004 03:50 PM

Whitebird, you really need to re-think your political stance, as a Christian.

I am a Christian and have morals.

You, as a Christian, support candidates who think it's ok for people to kill babies that are unwanted by the millions, but don't think it's ok to go after the terrorists who kill many, many innocent people each year? It seems as though someone is a hypocrite.

Also, you support candidates who think the government, through our taxes, should give those who will not work a free ride through life and handouts on every corner. Besides this holding those people down and not allowing them advance on their own, this is certainly not what Jesus had in mind. I don't think Jesus ever would promote helping complete lazy-asses. I understand there are some who can do nothing for themselves, and we should help those people, but there aren't many.

And also, I studied scripture everyday for 4 years straight in school, and WWJD is the worst thing we can teach out of the Bible. You are not saved through your works. You are saved through belief in the death and resurrection of Christ for our sins.

OneOmerta 11-05-2004 03:56 PM

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OneOmerta, I assume you mean those of me with the General?


I actually looked at all of them, liked the NYC ones. Of course...the ones with the General were cool too! And tarzan is a cute dog lol.

RMadd 11-05-2004 04:44 PM

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Killing, in the name of peace. Does our country truly believe that this can be a Christian concept?

it's not as though our intent was to go in and kill a whole slew of people. sure people died and all, but it's a war: one that was aimed to liberate an oppressed people. had we, in Desert Storm, kept on to Baghdad, we wouldn't have to worry about it today. in my opinion, it's selfish on our part to act as though our troops' deaths are the most absolutely horrible thing ever. yes, it's bad, but how many more people--Iraqis, alone--would have died if Saddam were permitted to stay in power? genocide just ain't cool. i know all the great dictators do it: hitler, stalin, amin, castro etc... but that's something that we simply cannot tolerate. you call it killing in the name of peace, i say it's sacrificing for a better future for others. we've got it good here, why not try and share, even just a little bit, what it's like to be free?


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