Of course there's a big difference, Stapp and Kennedy are two very different singers so obviously going from one to the other will mean a change in how everything sounds. I just don't see how Tremonti, Marshall, and Phillips were being held back in Creed.

As I told you, listen to the both albums and you'll hear it. I don't really think there was anything holding them back, they on ODR they're more "free" than you heard 'em in Creed. Maybe simply because they're better on what they're doing now

But Micheal have said it several times, and both Stapp and the band as well. They are all happier this way, no reunion!! PLUS Mark said: "If it doesn't work out with this band, we will just play in small demo bands where we live".

Look.....we aren't talking about scott and myles.....listen to the solo for Open your eyes , here i will show you the tab......


Open your eyes tab.....look at the solo ....
http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.p...ur+Eyes,155229


Stand here with me tab look at the solo......
http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.p...+With+Me,36756


notice how many more notes tremonti is playing in Open your eyes compared to Stand here with me. In fact he plays those notes in less of a time than in Stand here with me. When you are able to play faster generally you are better. Hence him being held back.

I could go on but i think you get the point, being a musician myself i notice these things, even if someone isn't, its easy to tell whats harder and whats not.

Me notice big difference! :D

Never say never. That is one lesson in life that I have learned well. Time heals wounds. If anything I hope that Mark and Scott will be able to be friends again. If Creed never gets back together again then so be it. I will always cherish the memories and the friends I have made by being a fan of Creed.
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Say never!! Read this quote from Mark Thomas Tremonti, himself:

Wanna read the whole interview?

Lith, just because he's quoted as saying such things, doesn't mean he can't change his mind. Look at Van Halen and even Simon & Garfunkel. Right now, yeah, a reunion is unlikely, but down the line, you never know. I agree with Bobby McGee. I hope they can at least heal their friendship even if they never play music together again.

Who dug this thread up? I thought it was over with a while ago :)


Dogstar I agree with you. I always think of Van Halen and even Bon Jovi when I think of Scott and the AB guys. Sammy and Eddie didn't speak for something like 7 or 8 years. Jon and Richie didn't speak for I think something like 3 years. I remember Jon Bon Jovi saying it didn't matter what had happened between them - the Band (Bon Jovi) and what they had was too good for them not to reunite.

I also hope Scott and the guys can heal their friendship. I haven't really seen or heard any AB interviews, but I know in Scott's interviews he sounds sad and has regret over what has happened.

Creed was too good not to eventually be recreated. Mark might be saying never now, but several years ago, they also didn't think there would be an end of Creed. They all planned for Creed to have longevity.

All that has been devastated
Can be recreated

I doubt they'll all feel the same in 5 years or so.

Things change.

In AB's interviews they sound happier than ever!! And it's pretty clear that they don't wanna reunite, and I've even TALKED to them... I got a very strong feeling screaming in my head: "NO REUNION!!!!" So that's what I believe, of course I respect you other guys though.

So the fact that he's playing more notes and faster makes him better. Maybe to some musicians its does. That is one of the things that I don't like about the music. If he's showing off his skill great....but I don't listen to music based on how fast or how many notes its made up of. I just freaking listen to it and if I like it I do....and if I don't.....I don't.

If he's writing his music to impress all those "musicians" out there.....he just lost me. :D

geez... are Robyn and Kerry the only reasonable people on this thread???

Oh, give me a break, you or I don't know his motives for the music he's writing. He's gone in a musical direction you don't like, and that happens. Stop ragging on him just because of that. You don't have to like it, that's your prerogative, but don't attack the man's principles of which you are I know nothing about. I miss Creed as much as the next person and I'm looking forward to Scott's solo stuff and a tour by the man. He's a great performer, but at the present time, Creed are over.

Absolutley Shadow. As I said time heals.
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That post you are quoting was a reply to the comments that the AB guys were not held back in Creed. It is not about the music, but about Marks skill. Generally, the faster and the more difficult stuff you can play, the better you are as a guitarist. This does not have anything to do with the music, but with the musical abilities.