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DangerousDan85 07-24-2003 02:32 AM

Can This Even Be Considered Journalism?
 
Weathered Review

tremonti.net 07-24-2003 02:47 AM

lol. Now that is extreme hate.
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Dogstar 07-24-2003 02:56 AM

Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one. This *writer* is still learning. He or she took wayyyyyy too long to get to the point. He throws around generalizations without anything to really back up his claims. He mentions only two lyrics that purport to make his case. He's another bandwagon rider.

Lechium 07-24-2003 03:24 AM

Review is an oppinion. And while "worst band ever" title is still out of these guys reach (although they do seem to work hard towards it), this guy's oppinion counts for more than you'r guy's cuz he's got a tribune to speak from.

TeriB19 07-24-2003 08:52 AM

A flesh-eating disease is too good for that jackass. He should be forced to sit in a room, bound and tied, and listen to Barney and the Wiggles for the rest of his miserable life. Then he'd know what the worst music on the planet REALLY is.:rolleyes:

Mr.CreedFreakTN 07-24-2003 09:36 AM

I say we find this good for nothings email address and lay the smack down on his candy ass, if you smell what CreedFeed got cookin. HEHE . Really though this guy has to hear from us.

Steve 07-24-2003 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.CreedFreakTN
I say we find this good for nothings email address  and lay the smack down on  his candy ass, if you smell what CreedFeed got cookin. HEHE . Really though this guy has to hear from us.



Actually, that was already done. Back on the old Creednet Message Board everyone did that. If I remember correctly, nothing came of it.

Marty 07-24-2003 11:12 AM

Bitchass. He's on my to kill list. :D
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njcreedite 07-24-2003 11:14 AM

WOW What an amazing review. I can't believe this person actually has a job (paying??) doing this. He rambles on and doesn't quite tie things up at the end. He just sort of fizzles out. At least he admits to being a Creed hater. He doesn't try to fake us out. He doesn't try to pretend to like them in any way. The good thing about that is, for those not familiar with Creed's work (are there still people who don't know them??) they should realize that the critic hates the group and is therefore not giving a fair review. Hopefully, they will check them out for themselves. He also makes himself look like a religion hating, small town hating idiot. This will actually help sell Creed CD's. People who feel they are the opposite of this person (most of us?) will want to check out a band like Creed. As the critic says they exemplify all he hates. That alone should sell a few million records.
So, in conclusion....I think we should thank this critic for pointing out all the reasons why most honest, hard-working, law abiding, small city or town living, religious (any kind and degree of) people should buy Creed's CD.

JenRN 07-24-2003 11:17 AM

Some people just are tacky, and this person iced the cake! You can not like someone or something but to publicly trash them like that makes THEM look like the jackass!:rolleyes:

lisamariekikker 07-24-2003 12:10 PM

He reminds me of someone I know who hates bands when they "sell out" which actually means-when people buy their music and make money from doing what they love. I know there is a place for critics but this guy took every sterotypical thing he has ever heard and spewed it out for people to read-He actually says to listen to the people who have been to a Creed concert-pretty much admitting that he never has been to one----What does he know????

Dogstar 07-24-2003 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Lechium
...this guy's oppinion counts for more than you'r guy's cuz he's got a tribune to speak from.



WTF??? I don't buy that for a second. Just because he has a forum does not mean he's credible. I work in the media. There are a lot of crappy reporters, writers and reviewers out there with a *tribune* from which to speak. That assumption may have been true 30 years ago, when journalists carried a little more weight, but because of the erosion of the business over the years (have you been keeping up with the Jason Blair case?), and the line between news/entertainment blurring more every day, credibility is sinking rapidly.

DangerousDan85 07-24-2003 02:15 PM

yeah i can't believe the guy gets paid for garbage like that, he must have a lot of pent up sexual frustration or something, very unprofessional

Leader of Men 07-24-2003 02:16 PM

:roll: I actually laughed while reading it.

Dogstar 07-24-2003 02:27 PM

Yeah, so did I, because it was so poorly written and unorganized. :D

theseeker018 07-24-2003 03:05 PM

Last year one of my friends was reviewing the Good Charlotte cd for the school newspaper, and in it he said that he would rather listen to two cheese graters being rubbed together through a bull horn than listen to their music. I thought that was harsh, but this guy definetly blew my friend out of the water!

theseeker018 07-24-2003 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by TeriB19
A flesh-eating disease is too good for that jackass. He should be forced to sit in a room, bound and tied, and listen to Barney and the Wiggles for the rest of his miserable life. Then he'd know what the worst music on the planet REALLY is.:rolleyes:



I like the bound and tied analogy Teri;) I think they should throw the Macerana, however you spell it, into that play list.

lisamariekikker 07-24-2003 03:12 PM

This guy obviously came from an anti-Creed stand point to begin with-it isn't a fair review of the music itself-just his stupid unfair opinion based on what he "thinks" Creed is all about or what he has been told.

Unforgiven Fan 07-24-2003 05:05 PM

his review offers no true explination to why he hates Creed or the album. It is his opinon but unfortunatly he can post it even though he is highly uneducated on getting his point across

njcreedite 07-24-2003 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by Dogstar
Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one. This *writer* is still learning. He or she took wayyyyyy too long to get to the point. He throws around generalizations without anything to really back up his claims. He mentions only two lyrics that purport to make his case. He's another bandwagon rider.




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Higher_Desire 07-24-2003 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Dogstar
Opinions are like assholes; everybody has one.

...AND THEY ALL STINK.

I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Why bother reading crap like that? It's pointless. There's just some people like that in our messed up little world. It's neat how they created a few new words too.


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SCOTTSMYMAN 07-24-2003 07:42 PM

From the words of Scott Stapp:
"My stage is shared by many millions/ who lift their hands up high because we feel this/We are one, we are strong/The more you hold us down the more we press on!"
Need I say more. Who cares what this guy thinks . We know what a great band Creed is we love them and that's that :angel: :dancing::band:

hotforscott 07-24-2003 07:49 PM

That article was the most horrible thing I have ever read. What a freakin' loser. Some people suck all together. He is the one who looks like the loser.

Bridge of Clay 07-24-2003 09:33 PM

I think he´s funny...

and he made all of us to agree on the same topic! ;)

facelessman 07-24-2003 10:36 PM

That dude doesnt know how to write, and he obviousely doesnt know what he's talking about.

Lechium 07-25-2003 04:40 PM

To get a job in a decent newspaper most times you need a degree in journalism or such.
If he's got one -- he can write better than most of you guys.
I did find article to be somewhat harsh and you are fast to dismiss it as a pile of bullshit just because you disagree with it so much.

<i>Compare Stapp's decontextualized quasi-hope to the above-mentioned Guthrie and Marley songs, where there's some type of vision of a better world. When Guthrie sings "the cops and soldiers nailed him in the air/and they layed Jesus Christ in his grave," he's angry at the capitalist state. When Marley sings "one bright morning when my work is over/I will fly away home," you at least know that he's unsatisfied with the state of affairs in Jamaica but that he has hope for its future. Stapp doesn't give us any clues he's just a whiner riding the spiritual obscurantist gravy train. </i>
right on.
so before you say that claims in thsi articles are unfound -- read it again, oki?

hotforscott 07-25-2003 05:16 PM

There are some educated people on this board. Just because we are quick to dismiss BS doesn't mean we are mindless. If he was such a wonderful and gifted writer, he wouldn't waste his time writing about how horrible Creed is. Not only because I love Creed am I defending them, but because if you don't like a band, and you really really can't stand them, then you just decide not to like them and go on. This guy chose to write about how horrible they are and if they were so horrible to him, he wouldn't have wasted his time. He is a loser who is probably jealous and has nothing better to do with his time.

Lechium 07-25-2003 09:06 PM

So if review isn't positive it shouldnt be?
Why he wrote review on weathered? Maybe because he got an assigment to?
His job is to give an opinnion on various releases, and just because it's very negative it doesnt mean that he's jelous or a looser. It just means he's doing his job.

hotforscott 07-25-2003 09:29 PM

If he was assigned to do this, then why be as harsh as he was. It sounds to me like he was trying to be pissy on purpose. I don't know all the facts so I will say no more, but he sounds to me like an idiot.

Lechium 07-25-2003 10:03 PM

If he was singng praises to creed in an idiotic manner, im sure you wouldnt have problem with him thou...
lol

hotforscott 07-25-2003 10:24 PM

You may be right about me not having a problem with him under those circumstances, but anything that is said about Creed that is positive could never be considered idiodic. In my opinion, that is.

hotforscott 07-25-2003 11:06 PM

I don't think I have ever seen you post cusswords, Matt.
That must have ticked you off, too.
How have you been?

Wylde-Tremonti 07-25-2003 11:12 PM

Oh i cuss sometimes...believe me...just cuz ya haven't seen it...doesnt mean it aint there (it's like the wind)....that guy was obviously smoking crack when he wrote that.....
i guess im in a bit of a cussing mood today...dunno why...

hotforscott 07-25-2003 11:17 PM

Nothing wrong with a little cussing. I do it way more then I should. I think he was on crack, too...........and obviously not the good stuff. LOL! ;)

Lechium 07-25-2003 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by hotforscott
You may be right about me not having a problem with him under those circumstances, but anything that is said about Creed that is positive could never be considered idiodic. In my opinion, that is.


If someone would say that they are greatest group of musician and songwrites ever lived, and stapp has best voice ever and theyir compositional skills are unparalleled... i mean come on saying that abiu any band is idiotic.
You're just a fan turned fanatic, so guess you dont see that lol

Rune 07-26-2003 01:18 AM

well...whenever someone makes fun of creed...i usually just tell them to make their own album and sell at least 5 million copies...at which point i will care what they think.....lol, that's just me

Dogstar 07-26-2003 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lechium
<b>To get a job in a decent newspaper most times you need a degree in journalism or such.
If he's got one -- he can write better than most of you guys.
I did find article to be somewhat harsh and you are fast to dismiss it as a pile of bullshit just because you disagree with it so much.

<i>Compare Stapp's decontextualized quasi-hope to the above-mentioned Guthrie and Marley songs, where there's some type of vision of a better world. When Guthrie sings "the cops and soldiers nailed him in the air/and they layed Jesus Christ in his grave," he's angry at the capitalist state. When Marley sings "one bright morning when my work is over/I will fly away home," you at least know that he's unsatisfied with the state of affairs in Jamaica but that he has hope for its future. Stapp doesn't give us any clues he's just a whiner riding the spiritual obscurantist gravy train. </i>
right on.
so before you say that claims in thsi articles are unfound -- read it again, oki? </b>




Reading it once was enough. I stand by what I said before. He needs a decent editor, that's for sure. And correct me if I'm wrong (which I'm sure you will), but that web site looked like the site for a COLLEGE newspaper, the University of Michigan's. As I said, he's still learning.

And how would you know how well people on this bb write? Don't be so quick to judge.

Why is it incumbent on Stapp to offer some sort of hope through his lyrics? Can't people just write what they feel? If he was having trouble in his spiritual life, he can't simply write about it without offering some sort of closure or solution? I don't have a problem understanding the man's lyrics.

Lechium 07-26-2003 05:09 AM

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Originally posted by Rune
well...whenever someone makes fun of creed...i usually just tell them to make their own album and sell at least 5 million copies...at which point i will care what they think.....lol, that's just me


Britney Spears had sold more than creed... does that make her better musician? lol

njcreedite 07-26-2003 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Lechium
Britney Spears had sold more than creed... does that make her better musician? lol



Musician?? Does she play an instrument?? I don't think she even writes any of her songs, does she?

Nope, how much you sell doesn't make you better, just more popular. Granted "Weathered" isn't my favorite of Creed's 3 CD's, but I strongly believe the critic was unfairly negatively biased towards Creed. If this critic had said it was their greatest CD and one of the best CD's ever....I would have felt the critic was biased in the opposite way toward Creed. I don't care if someone likes them or not. I do feel that people writing for public publications should make an effort to be truthful and fair. If you really don't like some one...don't choose to review them.
I also don't buy my CD's based on critics opinions...same with which movies I choose to see. I like to make up my own mind.

Sheila63 07-26-2003 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by njcreedite

&nbsp; I also don't buy my CD's based on critics opinions...same with which movies I choose to see. &nbsp;I like to make up my own mind.



I feel the same way, Linda. To me, a critic is just a person with an opinion like anyone else. Granted I know it's their job and all but I still make up my own mind whether or not I want to buy a cd or see a movie.


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