Isn't it ironic?!
 

Sorry, I know I may open a can of worms here but I couldn't resist and I'll post this.

Find below a quote on Fred Durst:


funny how things change, huh?

PS: I don't mean to bash Stapp but I thought this was too ironic. Got it from mt.net board.

He Is One.. :) Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Lol, that IS pretty funny. Especially if what is said about Stapp is true. I'm not going to say it is or it isn't, but if it is, that's pretty ironic, lol!

Yes you do... if you didn't want to take the time to bash Stapp then you wouldn't have started this thread. Let's all praise the three saints in Alter Bridge and crucify Stapp over and over again. This is getting old.

I have no reason whatsoever to bash him. I'm a fan of Stapp the musician, period.

I'm just saying we all should watch our words. If 10 years from now Creed gets back together, I'll be the first to post Mark's quotes like "not even for a million dollars"...

You are definitely correct. Stapp lovers' martyr (sp?) speeches are quite old indeed. This is hilarious. Eating one's words is funny, no matter who it is. Now laugh or go back to your little Stapp alter. lol, jk. Don't mean to get nasty.

Stapp altar? I don't have a Stapp altar. All I'm saying is that both sides are guilty of the demise of Creed. I like Alter Bridge and Stapp. I also think that all of them could have prevented the break up of Creed... so why don't you stop trying make it sound like you can only like one or the other.

we have factions here at creedfeed, its a bad way to live, but eh, some people make it outta the ghetto alive

I did not come into this thread intending to bash Stapp. I try to refrain from that on Stapp's section. I thought the thread was hilarious, and was trying to get YOU to lighten up, clearly I failed. The Stapp altar was obviously intended to be humorous, I meant no ill-will.

You claim all you wanted to do was say that all sides were responsible for the break up of Creed?


That has nothing to do with saying that all sides are culpable, it has to do with defending Stapp when he was clearly eating his words. And even if BoC WAS Stapp bashing (which he wasn't), it was clearly intended merely for humorous purposes alone. If he wanted to bash Stapp, there are a LOT of better ways to do it.

And also, it is (as I have said many times before) quite easy to like both Stapp and AB musically. (Well, not THAT easy since Stapp hasn't released anything, but you know what I mean). However, from a standpoint of "who is the biggest jerk?", you can't like both. Tremo obviously can't stand Stapp, and Stapp apparently is either lying about Tremo, or Tremo is lying about Stapp lying. There is bad blood, plain and simple. Someone was responsible, someone was culpible.

That has NOTHING to do with their music and I will very rarely hold someone's alleged personality agaisnt them in the case of their music. I will not do so in THIS case. But Stapp clearly has problems, and poking fun at them is no big deal. Funny, actually.

If you want to go to the AB board and bring in something funny about AB that might happen to be degrading... Go ahead! I'll probably laugh. Unfortunately AB has not done much to give anyone a reason to dislike them, unlike Stapp who definitely HAS. So you can see it as everyone ganging up on Stapp without a reason, or you can take the joke, move on, and live with it, without going in an uproar because someone insulted Stapp.

For heaven's sake, YOU brought AB into this. There was no Alter Bridge praising when you said "let's all praise alter bridge". BoC didn't say "look at how much of an idiot Stapp is, thank goodness AB isn't this dumb". And yet you acted like he did.

Take a joke, man, take a joke.

LMAO!!!

I DO find it ironic that he made those comments. I also see the humor and I agree others need to lighten up or we be bustin' a cap on yo asses. ;)

yeah that! ^

thanks!!!

Hahaha, right on...

its like rain on your wedding day, or a free ride when you're already late....ohhh..nm

oh, wasnt that article out of Stuff magazine, the one with Pink on the cover?

Watch your words
Or your words might drown you
And cure my wounds
And the light will blind you

To truly see well
You must have faith
Oh the righteous they can't wait
A saving grace
That we all know
Let us pray
Let us hold on

[CHORUS]

I can't breathe
I prefer to find a ceiling
To the hate of mine
I can't win
I can fight no more
I am drowning
And I'm sick inside

Push no more
And the day will find you
Speak no truth
And your ways will end you
It's alright
And you must move on

Though the damage
Has been done
Cherish the life
And the ones you hold
Can you change
Can you go on

[CHORUS]

To truly see well
You must have faith
Oh the righteous they can't wait
A saving grace
That we all know
Let us pray
Let us hold on

[CHORUS]

Chase: lighten up, son. it's not bashing Stappy. it's just pointing out the irony in comments made a couple years ago. Marcos did not say "Stapp is a cock". His inference, by relating the comment to the current situation, would be more along the lines of "I mean, Mark left the band because Scott is such a cock." And I wouold thnk that we can all agree that Mark prolly doesn't think too highly of Scotty right now (and hasn't for the past year or two).

Scott is this and Alterbridge is that, this gets old and very childish. Dogstar has said this over and over again, appreciate the music not the person.This is why feelings get hurt. Kind of reminds me Stryper, yes Stryper they were around in the eighties and then in the early 90's broke up. Suffice to say they are back now with a new cd to come out really soon. I was on their website the other day and someone posted that it would be great to see Alterbridge and Stryper tour together. I think it would be awesome. Bash me if you must , that is my opinion.

Lighten up? I'm sticking up for a guy who is constantly being kicked while he's down. What's wrong with that? It seems that you guys hardly give the guy a chance to prove himself. I'm not offended by Stapp bashing... I just find it to be in poor taste. It's like you guys won't give the guy a second chance or any redemption whatsoever. In my opinion... it's Mark's decision to prolong this feud (judging by his recent comments). At least Scott's making an attempt to find peace (judging by his recent comments). I just think he's an easy target... that's all I'm saying. But apparently because I stick up for the underdog... I have him on an altar and worship the ground he walks on and has a bottle of his sweat.

There are plenty of us who would love to give the guy a second chance. We want the new music that he himself promised us. I'm very curious to hear his new stuff, but the delays have left some of us more than skeptical that we will ever hear it.

Amen sista Kerri! LEMME HEAR AN AMEN!

lol, sorry, just picking, but thats how i feel as well.

Chase....don't sweat it. (no pun intended lol) Apparently in some peoples minds....anyone who sticks up for an underdog should be tarred and feathered and nailed to a cross for God worshipping. :rolleyes:

There are many who just simply call it compassion and respect...and the willingness to give others the benefit of the doubt. Some are pessimistic...some are optimistic. I choose to be optimistic. It's just my nature. But alas, not everyone is made of the same mold. (thank goodness, because I can't imagine being so negative all the damn time..what a drag) lol

It's funny you can stand being negative towards AB... lol!

but that's another story.

Now now guys, can't we all just get along? ;) Not everyone who defends Stapp is a Stapp worshipper; likewise, not everyone who defends Alter Bridge is an Alter Bridge worshipper. I don't think enough people think about that. Arguing about if Stapp's a good guy in his personal life or not is quite pointless because the fact is, NONE of us know Scott personally. I don't know him and I doubt that anyone on here knows the guy personally. As I've said, we think we know him, we think we know how he is(just based off of what some people say) but the truth is, we don't know for sure. For all we know, Scott is the nicest guy ever. Or the biggest jerk ever. Point is, it's really stupid to assume either way. I don't think Scott is the bad guy everyone makes him out to be, but I could be totally wrong about that. Who knows and it's pointless to act like you know for sure. It seems like almost every Stapp thread in this forum ends in an argument about how "he's such a jerk". Let's break the cycle and not have this thread end that same way.

Are you speaking to me Marco's? If so...please point out WHERE I have been negative towards AB on a personal level. I'll be sure to check back when you provide that evidence. So...because I'm not an AB groupie like most of ya on these bb's...I'm negative towards them? Did you know that I own the AB CD? Did you know that I actually listen to the AB CD? (although admittedly it's not a favorite of mine...but I do listen when I get time for music) Tell me...what else do you think you know about me? I DO NOT hero worship ANY BAND...like so many of you do, and that includes Scott Stapp. Get your facts straight dude.

:laugh: You crack me up!

ok, here's the difference: you think Marcos (Bridge of Clay) was bashing Stapp; most everyone else posting in this thread doesn't. it'd be Stapp-bashing if he'd have said something to the effect of "god, stapp is such a fucknut for saying something without even thinking, he's just a douche-bag like fred durst!". but, did he say that? no. he merely provided a quote from Stapp a few years ago, and pointed out how it somewhat related to Stapp's current situation. if you want to be ultra-negative and call out every last remotely critical comment on Scott as Stapp-bashing, by all means, do. there are those of us who appreciate and, dare i say, enjoy observations, particularly when they are somewhat ironic in nature, so please don't ruin it for us.
additionally, i'd like to point out that this is the "Scott Stapp Talk" section of the forums, not the "Scott Stapp Appreciation" forum, so i would assume that critical insights of Mr. Stapp belong in this section over any other one on these boards.

and that is the bottom line, "O"...people that are compassionate are also understanding and forgiving...something that has been lacking through this whole mess...no body seems willing to just let things drop and start over from square one.

I agree with you, i've always attempted to be optimistic...the negativity that all this crap generates is getting old.

Hardly give the guy a second chance? We've been waiting for his solo stuff for WELL over a year and given the fact that August is the tentative date for his solo release, it'll be almost 2 full years that we've been waiting. I'd hardly call that 'hardly' giving the guy a second chance.

Sorry, I don't see now Mark's choosing to prolong this feud either.



:clap: :clap: Exactly right, Ryan. (LMAO @ fucknut) :)

The guy has been through hell and back and all you care about is his the release of his CD date. How would YOU feel if you were in one of the lowest points in your life and the only way to have your "fans" still support you is for you to NOT take time to fix your life and pop out a CD as fast as you possibly can?

See, when you are a MUSICIAN, thats what you do. You dont leave your fans hanging without a single word about what you are doing. When you get into the scene, you should know what you are getting yourself into. When you are as famous as stapp, you have fans who expect to know whats going on with the new album, and he should know that, and keep his fans posted.

Give me a break. There are plenty of people who have struggled mightily in their lives and still manage to do their jobs and have to do their jobs while they straighten out because they have to survive. They don't have the means to take a year off from their work to get their shit together. If that's what he's doing, fine, but don't promise something and then not deliver.

and wasn't Scott depressed back when Creed was together, around 2002? that's the understanding that i had. as far as i know, he's been well for quite some time now. and ditto about the not giving fans any news. sure, that's prolly wind-up's method, but i don't necessarily agree with the idea that "no news is good news". more like "no substantial, specific news for a year or two just fucking pisses me off"

Yeah, I think I blame Wind-up more for the lack of news than I do Scott. Afterall, it is the record label's job to keep the fans of a particular artist up to date. Of course, if Scott really, REALLY wanted his fans to be up to date, he could have probably did something.

I HATE the fact that Wind-Up doesn't (a)update their artists official sites often and (b)promote all of their artists. I hate that they just focus on a few artists, while ignoring the rest of them. Someone on the 12 Stones Bulletin Board said that they emailed Roman DeStreets(the streetteam head) and asked him why 12 Stones has not really toured in support of their latest album(released just a couple of weeks after Alter Bridge's debut). Roman's response was something along the lines of, "Wind-Up is going to focus on promoting the moneymakers: Seether, Evanescence(big shocker there, right?), Submersed and Alter Bridge." That's great that they're going to focus on giving Alter Bridge and Submersed some promotion, but what about their other artists? What about 12 Stones? What about Eric Durrance(now, like Stapp, a solo artist)? What about Stapp? What about the other Wind-Up artists? Now I know you're thinking, "but Durrance and Stapp haven't finished work on their solo efforts." You're right, but 12 Stones has finished work on their latest album and still hasn't received a single bit of promotion for it, despite good sales in the first month of release. What makes anyone think that Durrance and Stapp(as well as other Wind-Up artists who aren't in that big four) will get promotion once they release their next album(s)? I'm willing to bet that they won't. And only because they aren't "money-makers". Perhaps they would be "money-makers" if they were given promotion. If Wind-Up won't promote these other artists that deserve the promotion, they should let them go.

It's really frustrating sitting back and watching Wind-Up fail to promote some artists and fail to update their web sites. I know that if I were in their position, the sites would be updated and the artists would be promoted. Not just the "money-makers", but the lesser known(yet talented) artists would be promoted as well. I hope Wind-Up realizes that they're making a big mistake by just ignoring some of their artists. It's really bad business in the end. I guess I might have ventured a bit off topic with my venting, so I'm sorry for that.

Back on topic, though. Dogstar is right. If Scott knew that he could not get the album done by the original time-frame(the end of 2004/early 2005) then he should not have made promises. He went through a lot. I understand that and feel sympathetic in that respect. But the fact is, we all have gone through a lot and we still continue to work at our jobs, study for school and spend time with family. If Scott was going through a lot when he made the promises of the album being out by the end of 2004, he shouldn't have made those promises and should have just taken a break from work. I'm sure if he explained to his fans that he needed a break, everyone would understand. People have gotten frustrated and impatient because it almost seems like this album will never come out. I'm not one of those people, but I can understand why some are getting frustrated. They are getting frustrated because they were promised something at a specific time and it has not happened yet.

hey, i don't mind your venting, but i'd just like to point out one thing: you're faulting a corporation for pursuing its best profit-earning interests (i.e. Seether, Submersed, Evanescence, AB). i'm not saying you're wrong for hating W-U for doing so; i, too, think it's pretty shallow to ignore a good number of your artists, especially when most of them are pretty new & small (in terms of popularity or public knowledge of them), and deserve their own chance to make music & hit it big.

Oh, I understand it's all about the money to them, as it is with all other labels. I understand that those four(let's refer to them as the "big four") are the "money-makers" for Wind-Up, but isn't it bad business to have several other artists on the label and not promote them? I'm sure they could be "money-makers" if given the chance. I'm not faulting Wind-Up for promoting the big four, just saying that it is frustrating to see other good artists go un-tapped and un-promoted.

Yeah, but let's face it... The reason Mark and Flip (and Brian) left Stapp was because he was and is such a big cock. I really used to like him. And I love his voice! But after Creed broke up I really look at Stapp in a new way. Now when I know the truth.

Ya know, if I make a post like that I get completely torn apart... you make a post like that and no one makes a sound.

More power to you, I agree completely, but the injustices on this board... lol

Don't worry, I'm sure there will be someone who rips Lith for that one ;)

Look... you guys have legit reasons for being upset with Stapp. I personally don't want to be negative about his situation... I chose to be optimistic about his stuff. Perhaps Wind Up chose to change his release dates for reasons that we don't know about. I don't know the complete story.

I didn't realize you had such first-hand insight into Creed's affairs.