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I do the same. There is no room there for actual debate.

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Exactly!!!!! Not even have the interest to go there lately...(everything Stapp does is okay and beautiful...:eek: ) and consider... that... I'm Ana4Stapp...lol...lol ...lol:D

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Actually that may have been true up until recently. There has been some debate over the tape. I enjoy reading through the post there anyway. You have to admit it is a Fan site... you can't expect to go there and see someone bash Stapp. Both this site and that site have their advantages. I think this site has a lot more Stapp bashers than it does Stapp fans.

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Amen to that!

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It amazes me that so many of you Stapp haters were ever Creed fans.

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That is not true at all. If you were a member here back during the Weathered tour, you'd see how many true Stapp fans there are. A great many of us are still here and to be completely truthful, we just got tired of trying to defend his actions time and time again. If it seems as though we are bashing him now, it's only because for so long, we tried to come up with excuses for his behaviour, I suppose we all wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But over the course of time, we (and I don't want to say I speak for everyone, but at least for some) grew tired of defending, excusing and explaining his actions and saw the truth in how messed up his life actually is. So if it appears that we are Stapp bashers now, it's not without good reason.

I for one, would like to see him live, but I can't get a ticket to Borgata, and given the recent developments in California, I'd be afraid that the show would either be postponed or canceled.

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I'm not a basher, but you can't question anything the man does. Any hint of negativity is not usually welcome there, even if it's just realistic debate or opinion. Maybe it's different now, but it hasn't been that way in the past.

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Had it not been for his antics, Creed would not have been such a ridiculed band. I would have liked Creed minus Stapp. As it is I liked MOP (save for the actual song my own prison, which is a bit ironic...), Bullets, What If, maybe one or two others. But he just... *shudders* man he is impossible to like.

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I think the reason why realistic debates and different opinions aren't so much allowed there is because PBF is trying hard to keep a positive place. If that means censoring the members, they are probably willing to do that and have done that in the past. Honestly, given what has happened to so many Creed forums(regarding the overwhelming amount of Stapp bashers/haters), I can't blame them all the much for wanting to keep a positive environment. When you think about it, it is really the only Creed/Stapp related forum that has been kept positive. Depending on your perspective, you're either going to think this is a bad thing or it is a good thing.

If you have read the forums at PBF, you will see that people are allowed to post different opinions. Take, for instance, the member known as Greed over at PBF. He/she has voiced his/her opinion concerning Stapp, and it has not been a very positive one. Still, PBF's staff has not banned Greed; they have simply disagreed with his/her opinion.

I know those who go over there and post a differing opinion on Stapp probably feel as though they are getting "jumped all over" when several PBF'ers post messages disagreeing with their opinion. Really, considering the fact that probably 95% of PBF's members are huge Stapp fans(and there is nothing wrong with that, mind you), it is to be expected to be in the minority when saying something negative about Stapp.

The opposite is found here. I'd say that there are only probably 2-10 active members who are huge Stapp fans and will still defend him, whether it is his music or his personality or both. Meanwhile, there are many more people here who have stopped defending him and aren't really fans of him anymore. When you post an anti-Stapp message here, chances are you'll have 5-20 people posting in agreement, with only a few posting in disagreement. Again, that is to be expected given the ratio of huge Stapp fans and anti-Stapp fans here.

I guess the bottom line is this: if you are a huge Stapp fan, and want to be in a very positive Stapp-filled environment, join PBF. If you're a Stapp basher, you'd be better served staying here and not posting at PBF...unless you want to have to defend your opinion to 20 different people. And if you're somewhere in the middle, like myself, you'll occasionally post at PBF while mainly posting here. I'm still a fan of Stapp's music, but I cannot condone his actions. Thus, I like the fact that I can come on Creedfeed, vent my frustrations regarding Stapp, and not have to defend my opinion to 20 different people. :D

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I couldn't have stated it better. I like both forums. I like this one because of the huge differences in opionion. It make it very enjoyable to read. And I like PBF because I can go there an find out more positive things about Stapp. I don't mind that other people don't like Stapp. Everyone has their opinion. Personally I like his new record. I think he means to be a good guy but he does make a lot of mistakes and so do we all. I like Alter Bridge too. I don't think PBF censors anyone... I think, as you stated that most Stapp haters don't go there because of the atmosphere.

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I guess we shouldn't be too hard on Scott, everybody makes mistakes. We can't expect him to be perfect, after all he is just a man. It seems he is going through a hard period in his life and needs all the support he can get. A possible alcohol addiction is a hard thing to overcome so lets pray Scott solves his problems succesfully.

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It's not that amazing really. I liked Van Halen's music, but I could not stand David Lee Roth as a performer. He was just so cheesy to me. That said, I always liked Scott as a performer. He's a really good frontman.

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it's just very unfortunate as a fan of his music that everything he sings about i.e. love, faith, forgiveness, seeking God, etc., etc. seems to be all b.s. when it comes to the actual man. all inicators are that he is a major league a-hole. can you find one person who actually speaks highly of him? his former bandmates won't even talk to him, and said publicly more than once they will NEVER, EVER! re-unite with Stapp. that tells me A LOT. the people who know him best, besides his family, including his former wife want absolutely nothing to do with him. but u know what, there's something in me that still wants me to believe in the guy, i'm still going to see him here in houston mar. 14, and i'm still going to root for him, why? i don't know.

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Welcome to the board, Joeinhouston. I have a ticket for Tuesday's DC show, but I'm still debating whether to go, as it's a three-hour drive. Two years ago, yeah, I would have gone. I'm more curious than anything else.

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It took this long to surface because it was a home video. Someone close to him or Kid probably got a copy and sold it. Personally I think it's discusting that these two grown men had such EGO's that they cheapened themselves to this level of pornography. To each their own I guess. What a cheap thrill to have some bimbo go down on you and tape it. So much for Taking someone Higher. I feel pity for his family. Try explaining that one at the next Church function. That man needs some serious HELP!

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--I didn't know you had to be BI to see what on the inside. Man, I think I am getting old cause I just cant see the logic or something!

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Anybody want to go to the Atlantic City show in Jersey????? I want to go just to see. Kinda like peaking into a circus tent. Ya dont want to spend the money for the ticket but dam those clowns are funny!!!! At least it won't be a waisted night, AC has good clubs and killer restaurants. I will be wearing my AB attire of course!

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"I will be wearing my AB attire of coarse":laugh: :thumbsup:

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But the question is, will Stapp be dressed like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...appABshirt.jpg

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I say the Higher video says it all, girls girls girls...not very spiritual...

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Right on!!!I would be doing the same.:D
I would never believe him if he would really wear the AB shirt. He can leave that for the real AB fans;)

LOL. Higher never was one of my fav Creed videos anyway. Stapp opening his arms like Christ never touched me. I prefered Marshall stading at the beguinning of the clip without t-shirt :)

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Because we all know how much input the band had in regard to that video...

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