Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

Niiice, i don't think you know how much it means that you can finally give us some concrete inside details :D thankyou

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I like heavy :)

I can wait for Creed.. afterall i've waited a very long time already, a few months won't hurt.

Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

Cool! Thanks for giving the info LexMusic! :) Can't wait to hear this new creed album! :D

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Thanks LexMusic for the news. Good to have someone now available to give inside info as the album progresses. :)

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All I got out of that was "heaviest Creed album written to date"!!! :jam:

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Thanks lex...glad to have a source from the Creed camp, hopefully we can get some answers about the release dates.

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thanks so much lexmusic... yeah and i like that heavy sound

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Anticipation aside...a tour without an album is completely worthless. I'm a huge Creed fan...I've seen them at least 5 or 6 times. I WILL NOT be attending this tour if I can't sing along with more than 1 new tune. I HATE hearing a song live, in concert, for the first time...it's never quite up to par.

This is undoubtedly the biggest marketing FLOP the band could have ever feared for. Yuck...pathetic...

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wind-ups blunder. the music is basically done recording so hopefully Lex gets us some info soon.

btw welcome to the boards.

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Lex,
Thanks for the update. On another note, do you have any idea why the NC shows got canceled? I was going to both of them, but now it looks like I'm going to ATL. I figured you might have some additional information.

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I totally forgot about those! Good job bringing them up, hopefully he mentions them to the band and gets back to us ASAP.

lol I love how everyone has turned to LexMusic lol. Came out of nowhere and no is everyone's best friend. Absolutely brilliant! Thanks again, Lex! We all owe you one big time :D

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Amen to that!

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haha now we r all waiting the next update, hopefully with more info :D

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Again...I love the Creed dudes and can't wait for this new music.

What I'm going to say next will probably tick off a bunch of moralists...but I think if the band has any cohones at all, they'd stick it to the f*cking morons at Windup by 'accidentally' leaking the new music to the bit-torrent world in early August.

Now before you jump all over me for the ethics behind my statement...think about it from a marketing standpoint. In this day and age...bands are making their money from ticket sales, not album sales. For smaller bands, tours promote album sales and recognition. Creed, on the other hand, already has the recognition and needs an album to drive ticket sales.

In the past 5 years, this band has lost more fans than it has gained, and continues to be more of a punchline than anything else...a good album is the only thing that's going to win back former supporters and inspire new ones; and without that boost, the summer tour will surely be a flop, drawing nothing but a bunch of drunk, overweight women in their thirties.

If anyone, be it Windup or Creed, plans on making any money off this tour...the album has to be accessible by the middle of August, or the tour postponed until fall/winter.

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^^^Yeah. I mean album sales in general have lost serious ground since Creed departed. Be it thru mega download sites like iTunes or the many bittorrent sites available, albums have taken a backseat when it comes to making money for the band. Now, I'm like a lot of people and just have to have the physical cd, but not everyone is like that

Now, my idea for Creed would get this album out now. BUT not thru download sites. ie dont sell the album on itunes, amazon, or other download sites (i know amazon ships actual albums too but they have a download section as well). This will force people to buy the album, hence boosting sales. But to help build up to that to make sure they DO in fact sell a ton of albums, wind up needs to get off their asses and start promoting this thing. I mean, the band's website, myspace, facebook, etc can only do so much. Wind-Up needs to start promoting in about 2 months ago. And the single needs to get as much air time as possible along with the band doing as many TV gigs as possible WITH new music. If people hear the new music, they'll want more. And that'll make people go and buy the album.

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^^ iTunes and Amazon counts towards album sales. Thats the best bet right now because it will still count and the album will be available faster, to make physical copies and ship them to the stores and all that takes way longer than throwing it on iTunes.

Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

well idc what form the new music is in, physical, download, whatever, it needs to come out 3 weeks ago.

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Haha yeah, it's a silly idea to not sell the album on various online outlets such as iTunes. I hate to say it but if anything were to get phased out, it's the physical album. But both sell well-enough that neither would be ignored for Full Circle.

Anyway, it looks like we've got a long wait ahead of us, at least for the full album. Hopefully the single will come soon to whet our appetites.

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i hope so

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OK, so it's much heavier... then what's to distinguish Creed music from Alter Bridge now? Other than the obvious fact that one has an awesome vocalist who can also play a mean guitar, of course. (and just to end the confusion, I'm not referring to Stapp)
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Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

Easy, Creed is radio friendly and AB is not. Myles and Stapp are two totally diffrent lyricist..Stapp's being more faith driven of course, but ya in my opinon Myles is a better overall musician. I Remember seeing Stapp play guitar live on "Stand here with me" he looked like he never touched a guitar before lol

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I disagree. Using the common definition, several of the Alter Bridge songs are very radio friendly (Open Your Eyes, Down to My Last, In Loving Memory, Rise Today, Brand New Start, Before Tomorrow Comes, Watch Over You, etc). And some of the Creed songs are not. (Bullets, Unforgiven, Pity for a Dime, Sister, Say I, Beautiful, Wrong Way, Inside Us All etc.)

But, in the end, I think that what is 'radio-friendly' is simply what people like. There are many, many songs that don't fit this 'radio-friendly' mold, but still get lots of spins on radio every day.
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Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

Hey no argument here about those songs. Ya it does come down to what people want to here on the radio today(which is crap today in my opinion) Im just saying Creed success was because of the radio. Ya Alter Bridge has some semi-hit singles but doesnt get the airplay like Creed does 24/7.

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I can't talk about the stuff on Full Circle since I haven't heard it but here's what I think

Creed's heavy songs are so much more different to Alter Bridge's heavy songs..

Creed have:
Bullets,
Freedom Fighter,
Ode,
What If,
Never Die,
Signs.

Just a few examples

Alter Bridge have:
Find The Real
One Day Remains
Metalingus
The End Is Here
Ties That Bind
White Knuckles

You may a different view on a heavy song then me, but when Creed are heavy they sound nothing like Alter Bridge when they are heavy and vice versa.

None of those songs I listed can be compared with eachother, for example What If and Metalingus they don't sound the least bit similar.

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Stapp was on Hit Parade Top 100 rock vocalists, so that counts for something. Amy Lee made the list too. Robert Plant was at the top. I didn't see Kennedy on it though. lol Kennedy is alright, he did good on Watch over You. But I agree with this list, just would have stapp a bit up there more. Eddie Vedder and Josie Scott are higher on it than both of the WU ones. Which is ok too.

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Ya Stapp was listed top 100 cause he is in a band called CREED! there is also a bunch of negative lists Stapp is on as well. Look they both have thier own uniqnes about them but Myles Kennedy can sing circles around Stapp, not doggin on the guy, just Myles is overall better musician. Myles kennedy is alright?? Thats why He was going to sing for the biggest rock band on the planet Led Zepplin? Go listen to "Burn it down" off One Day Remains and tell me he is still just alright...

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Like I said, kennedy is fine singer, and to me Adam Lambert outdoes them all. He should be on WU. As should Kennedy. :) Now on to the concert footage from Vh1.

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Adam Lambert? Dont get me started on that, American Idol singers are the worst.

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no one should be on windup. worst label ever.

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Why can't they hurry up and release the single? The tour would be more successful if the single was already out and it was popular. Bad move by windup not having it out already.

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one thing i've learned over the past 6 years i've been here is that WU never promotes Creed like they should and never will.

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Very, very true.

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With them being " a new Creed in 2009 " maybe they need a new record label

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^I think they had a 4 record deal with wind-up. If there is any future to Creed after "full circle", I think the band would have the smarts to jump ship. Im sure record companys would be drooling at the fact that they can sign Creed.

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I thought that was the point of their Greatest Hits album... to fulfill that contract. Obviously WU couldn't have known they would reunite eventually. Plus, there was all that talk about Mark and Scott paying to get out of their contract with WU.

AFAIK, Full Circle has nothing to do with any contractual agreement... they probably just stayed with them because they owned all the other Creed material, so it would be easiest this way.

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I believe they signed a 7 record deal, but I have no proof to back that up. Just something I remember from a long time ago.

Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

^Could be...although when the guys bought out their contract it could've been changed when they re-signed for this Reunion.

Re: News on the single, record, and Steve Karas
 

I don't know much about the music business but having a 7 record deal seems a bit excessive imo.

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"Greatest Hits" was a way for Wind-up to make money while Creed was taking their so called break. I dont consider it a 4th album. Creed never bought out their contract from Wind-Up, that was Alter Bridge. If you all recall the guys were pre-recording for their 4th album before the broke up. Anyway, maybe we will see some of that material on "Full Circle".

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While I would like to think there would material from what they were recording im almost positive what they recorded was used for One Day Remains and The Dreat Divide...If you listen to One day you could swear it sounds like creed at times on the album...especially "Open Your Eyes"...