So is it oppression to the super-majority every time a minority is given what they want, regardless of what the majority wants?

I feel the same way!

'Steve, that's all well and good, but what about people who are in the minority? Don't they matter? And why are those in the majority so offended by the thought of two people sharing a life of love through marriage? Why do they even care? Because for most of those it DOES come back to religion. And in that guy's argument, he couches his bias by using the word *tradition*.

If they are running the show, then no, it isn't because in most cases the majority get what they want. I just don't see the big deal of allowing same-sex marriages. And I loathe the fact that the administration chooses to focus on this issue when there are far more serious issues to tackle.

I hate to change the topic, but I view using a minority status to gain priviledge just as much oppression as the oppositve view as well. For instance, affirmative action. Why should certain people be given jobs, scholarshps, or anything for that matter based upon a certain item (race, sexual preference, etc.)? I was unable to attend a certain university because i could not afford the cost, while someone else from my highschool was able to attend that university because they received a scholarship - solely because they are labeled a minority. Is this right?

I agree that this administration is focusing on this issue when there are more important things to be discussed, however since a majority of Americans (from recent polls) are against same-sex marriages, it's an issue that he can win over the public with. It's all politics... (although I'm not sure if a majority are in favor of amending the Constitution?)

I don't care if same-sex partners are given all the same legal rights as married people. In fact, I encourage that. Let them split the bills 50/50 and fight over who gets the house when they separate. However I think that marriage is a tradition and should be left that way.

Regardless of the separation of church and state, this country was founded on religious principles. This is one religious principle that needs to stay intact.

So, Lechium, do you believe that homosexuality is something that is bred in certain people or that it is a concious decision people have to make (hetero, bi, homo, etc.)?


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Steve, I agree that affirmative action is flawed. Nothing's ever perfect, but it originated because of the oppression of minorities, in this case, black people. I think the original intent was in good faith, to even things up a little more, or to at least have the workplace reflect the population, which isn't all white. I think that without it, we would revert to the way it was pre-Affirmative Action, at least in attitude. It might not be as blatant as it was back then, but it hasn't really gone away. It's just more subtle, and until racism disappears, I think Affirmative Action should remain in some form. I have seen it work both ways.

And I'm definitely not in favor of a Constitutional amendment regarding marriage, at least not until the Equal Rights Amendment is added ;).

I agree with Dogstar and Lechium on this one, gay couples deserve the same rights as straight couples

lol thats awesome

...and comin' out of a Mor(m?)ons mouth!!! What else can you expect? LMAO!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dogstar, I also do agree strongly with your posts! :thumbsup:

From what I saw so far it looks like it is not a choice. Some people speculate about ressesive gay gene that shows up in some people, others have other theories. The fact is people just notice one day that they are atracted more to same sex than to opposite, rather than make a concious descidion to become gay just for the hell of it.

There are gay animals too, if you havent noticed, so like it or not, but gay are aboslutley natural. You can say that their activities do not lead to making kids, but even with estimated 5+% of gay people Earth is about to get over populated, so I dont think that this is such a big factor after all.

First of, it will NEVER be a same-sex marriage because marriage is not defined by the state, but by the church. So if they do legalize 'same-sex marriages' it will ONLY be a civil union. Good luck trying to find a church that will actually marry a homosexual couple.

Bush proposed a constitutional amendment that marriage be defined and everyone, and their third cousin's mother-in-law got thier panties in a bunch. The president can propose as many amendments as he wants, but according to his role..defined by the constitution, he has absolutely NO role in constitutional amendments. he cannot even be in the same building as the constituents. To top that off, all amendments must be ratified by 2/3rds of the states, not the populous.

I am 100% against the practice of homosexuality. I personally think it is disgusting. But then again, thats only my personaly belief. I do believe that they are entitled to the same rights as we are. I dont believe anyone deserves anything, I believe we all have to earn the things we want. The chain of 'shot gun' marriages in San Francisco, IMO, is only harming thier cause. They want us to take them serious and allow them to have the same 'marriage' rights we do.... but they do so by mocking it. Then you see some gay rights activists who have the audacity to go on national tv and compare this to civil rights stand offs in the south. Just when you formulate enough pity to support them, they go out and do something incredibly stupid and lose all credibility. Those are my two cents.

Like steve said, this country was formed by religous and ethical principles. If you do completely remove all the factors that our founding fathers used when creating this country... you get, in one word, Canada. [and thats not meant as an insult]

As for affirmaive action, that to me, seems like the biggest slap in the face. Im a minority and I am completely against affirmative action. I dont see why I have to be awarded special treatment on the basis of my skin pigmentation, country of origin, preferance in food, or my native tongue. Its not the "American Dream" when it is just handed to me.

Wow, that was worded beautifully. :clap:

why do you guys always say that!! gay Girls its Like Whoooooooooooooo!! And then the gay guy thing is just gross