Apparently the track listing has changed for TGD?

[titan9]

VH1.com put up the whole Great Divide album on their "Hear Music First" section. Here's the track list, as posted on PBF:

01 The Great Divide
02 Surround Me
03 Let Me Go
04 Fight Song
05 Justify
06 Sublime
07 Broken
08 Reach Out
09 Hard Way
10 Soar

Very interesting and a bit confusing. I think Stapp's official site still has the original track listing(posted in another thread on here) up, as does Amazon. I guess we will not know for sure until the album is officially released. However, if this is the new track listing, I think it's a good move on WU's part. One of the complaints on here(and probably even PBF) was that it was not mixed up enough. You had the four hardest songs on the album as the first four, and the rest were soft. With this new listing, you have more of a mix, although I still think Broken should be last.....however, a case can be made for You Will Soar. I still like that they mixed it up, though.

[INDIGOSTEVE]

this is a smart move, Roman is really doing his job!

[titan9]

Well, I'm kinda confused if it was just VH1 goofing up, or if WU really changed the track-list like that. I can't wait until the album comes out next Tuesday and I can see for myself if that's the new track listing or not.

[INDIGOSTEVE]

which do you prefer the vh1 order or the original order?

[titan9]

I think the VH1 order, though I don't like that Broken is track 7. I just think that one is best served as the last track. I also think that Reach Out is best as the first track. But the rest of it is real good, imo.

[Dogstar]

They definitely don't mix it up enough. All the hard songs are basically first and then I have no interest in it until Broken. I agree that Broken should be last.

[Steve]

The album everyone downloaded was probably an "advanced copy" of the album. Labels print out advanced copies of albums to use as promos for media people, radio promos, etc. I've seen advanced copies of Human Clay and Weathered. They are usually just plain colored (or even still silver) CD discs with printed text on it. While Human Clay and Weathered had the same tracklistings, I have seen ones changed. One that comes to mind is Default's debut album. I have the advanced album that leaked and I believe there's a minor track change on it.

[titan9]

Yeah, I know, but what was odd about this was that WU said that the original track list was the official track list. And his site still says that, yet VH1 has this new track listing. Confusing.

[Steve]

WU probably saw the feedback from what people said on the forums and changed it? It's kinda late to have a CD reprinted though.

[The Lithium]

Dumbest track list ever... The last one was way better!

[titan9]

WU probably saw the feedback from what people said on the forums and changed it? It's kinda late to have a CD reprinted though.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[The Lithium]

What is really strange is that I'm not sure that this was an advanced CD. I listened to Reach Out, which we've all been complaining about, since his voice cracks, and he doesn't hit the notes. And from what I heard, it sounded just the same... VH1 could just have screwed the whole thing up, big time!

[titan9]

Perhaps, and I noticed that too. I expected that the official album version of the song would be more edited, but I guess maybe Stapp/his producer were going for that raw sound? I mean, he kinda screams in that one, and no it doesn't sound that good, but maybe that was the sound that they were going for.

I still think Reach Out should be the first song. Just seems to fit perfectly in that spot whereas TGD doesn't.

[Creed7352]

usually on advanced copies, they don't change the recordings or production on the albums...

amazon had a tracklisting similar to this one vh1 has and then it changed to what has been downloaded by all these people...now it seems it's changed back...i don't know, it's very weird. and i don't think that roman has anything to do with that. as a matter of fact, roman isn't a person, but rather a collective group of people...at least that is what i've been told.

[Steve]

What is really strange is that I'm not sure that this was an advanced CD. I listened to Reach Out, which we've all been complaining about, since his voice cracks, and he doesn't hit the notes. And from what I heard, it sounded just the same... VH1 could just have screwed the whole thing up, big time!

Advanced copies of a CD do not necessarily mean that they are printed before editing or anything. It just means that they print off so many before printing off the actual versions. Since they usually only print off X amount of advanced copies (if they do) for promo use, they just slap the songs on, print 'em, and ship 'em.

[The Lithium]

Perhaps, and I noticed that too. I expected that the official album version of the song would be more edited, but I guess maybe Stapp/his producer were going for that raw sound? I mean, he kinda screams in that one, and no it doesn't sound that good, but maybe that was the sound that they were going for.
It's a difference between screaming and not hitting the notes/voice cracking. I had hopes that it wasn't the final CD-cut, but now that VH1 has it up, it seems that it is. It's a shame the man can't sing as good as he used to. Technically he's SO much worse!! And when he was young he had a special rage in his voice... That's all gone now. Back in Creed Stapp was this struggleing young man who was very angry and thought that if enough people came together, they can make a difference. Now he's more like "black and white". Just two normal colours... Just... Just Stapp. That fighting spirit is gone.

Compare:
My Own Prison to Relearn Love
Ode to Reach Out
What's This Life For to Sublime
Illusion to Justify
Unforgiven to Fight Song
Pity For A Dime to Surround Me

If you compare those songs I hope you get what I'm trying to say. Many of those songs I listed there from TDG are pretty good, even lyrical. But the spirit, man, the spirit... You'll have to agree with me... The spirit is gone.

[titan9]

I wouldn't say that the "spirit" is gone. I think it's still there, but I do think he has changed a lot. He is not the same man he was when MOP, HC and Weathered came out. His priorities are different now; he's different. He isn't questioning God and religion like he was during those days; he's happy now, at peace in his life, based on what he has said himself in interviews. Are the lyrics on TGD as good as MOP and HC's lyrics? Not quite. But they're still decent/good. Are the songs as aggressive as some of the Creed songs? Nope. But I think that's a sign that he's no longer the aggressive guy he once was. He's peaceful now, not the angry young man he once was.

[Ana4Stapp]

Dumbest track list ever... The last one was way better!

I prefer the first list. Starting TGD with 'Reach Out' followed by 'Fight Song', Hard Way and Justify -the hard ones in a row means introducing the rock side and finishing it in a softly way with 'Broken'- one balad- was a better choice. Similar to the position of the songs on Weathred. ;)

[Ana4Stapp]

I wouldn't say that the "spirit" is gone. I think it's still there, but I do think he has changed a lot. He is not the same man he was when MOP, HC and Weathered came out. His priorities are different now; he's different. He isn't questioning God and religion like he was during those days; he's happy now, at peace in his life, based on what he has said himself in interviews. Are the lyrics on TGD as good as MOP and HC's lyrics? Not quite. But they're still decent/good. Are the songs as aggressive as some of the Creed songs? Nope. But I think that's a sign that he's no longer the aggressive guy he once was. He's peaceful now, not the angry young man he once was.


Hes older, guys...what means he's more mature and consequently his necessities, points of views, interests have changed too. ;)

[Bullets]

i'm pretty sure that VH1 mucked up the tracklist...i know for a fact that they completely destroyed a tracklisting before for another album i liked..i just can't for the life of me remember what album it was...but it wouldn't be a first for VH1..so i'm sticking with what scottstapp.com and the eteam announced it as.

[titan9]

Yeah, apparently they did. The people at PBF are saying that they(the Sirius ppl) mentioned the track listing during Stapp's interview on there tonight, and it was the original one. So I guess they didn't change the list afterall.

Thank you, Ana, that was precisely what I meant. You condensed it down far better than I did. :laugh:

[Ana4Stapp]

Thank you, Ana, that was precisely what I meant. You condensed it down far better than I did. :laugh:

You're always welcome, Titan!!!! ;)

[Bullets]

i'm pretty sure that VH1 mucked up the tracklist...i know for a fact that they completely destroyed a tracklisting before for another album i liked..i just can't for the life of me remember what album it was...but it wouldn't be a first for VH1..so i'm sticking with what scottstapp.com and the eteam announced it as.

I remember! It was Dave Matthews Band - Stand Up

They had it all mixed up....they fixed it a few days later though..so hopefully they'll fix Scott's too...

[ctfan]

It's a difference between screaming and not hitting the notes/voice cracking. I had hopes that it wasn't the final CD-cut, but now that VH1 has it up, it seems that it is. It's a same the man can't sing as good as he used to. Technically he's SO much worse!! And when he was young he had a special rage in his voice... That's all gone now. Back in Creed Stapp was this struggleing young man who was very angry and thought that if enough people came together, they can make a difference. Now he's more like "black and white". Just two normal colours... Just... Just Stapp. That fighting spirit is gone.

Compare:
My Own Prison to Relearn Love
Ode to Reach Out
What's This Life For to Sublime
Illusion to Justify
Unforgiven to Fight Song
Pity For A Dime to Surround Me

If you compare those songs I hope you get what I'm trying to say. Many of those songs I listed there from TDG are pretty good, even lyrical. But the spirit, man, the spirit... You'll have to agree with me... The spirit is gone.

No, I don't agree. The spirit is still there, so is the drive and the feeling, he just presents it in a different way. I'm not gonna compare Stapp to Creed, because to me...that's seems to be unfair. Imo, you can't do that, because that was then, and this is now. As for his voice...the man's still got it, and that too presents itself in a different way as well.

Can you honestly say that in 10 years you will be the same person that you are now?

[RobertGene13]

I was just going to say that I heard in one of the interviews from PBF that the track listing with all of the hard songs in the beginning and TGD in the middle will be the correct track listing. It is supposed to symbolize Stapp and his anger followed by The Great Divide, then comes all of the music about forgiveness, etc. It imitate the way things have been over the past few years I assume. I didn't see this posted, so I thought I'd chime in.

Robert

[Ana4Stapp]

I was just going to say that I heard in one of the interviews from PBF that the track listing with all of the hard songs in the beginning and TGD in the middle will be the correct track listing. It is supposed to symbolize Stapp and his anger followed by The Great Divide, then comes all of the music about forgiveness, etc. It imitate the way things have been over the past few years I assume. I didn't see this posted, so I thought I'd chime in.

Robert

This is definitely the best list :)

[RobertGene13]

By the way: I noticed that "Relearn Love" wasn't on this CD. I thought, at least originally, it was supposed to be. I've been wanting that first Tea Party version of the song, but I don't feel like buying the Passion Songs CD. Oh well.

Robert

[Ana4Stapp]

By the way: I noticed that "Relearn Love" wasn't on this CD. I thought, at least originally, it was supposed to be. I've been wanting that first Tea Party version of the song, but I don't feel like buying the Passion Songs CD. Oh well.

Robert


THANKS GOD!!!!

:D :D :D

[The Lithium]

But I think that's a sign that he's no longer the aggressive guy he once was. He's peaceful now, not the angry young man he once was.
So are you saying that he simply can't write as good when he's not depressed?

Can you honestly say that in 10 years you will be the same person that you are now?
No, but after 10 years of writing, I expect myself to write better lyrics. Which I don't think Stapp does. I mean, even look at Weathered. Great lyrics on that album. Compared to the Creed records TGD lyrics are pretty poor, I think.

[titan9]

Maybe so. Writing quality lyrics is not an easy thing, just like writing good riffs isn't. Some write better angry lyrics, and just aren't as good with peaceful lyrics.....myself being one of those people. I can pound out an aggressive song like that, but I have to think a lot deeper to make a decent song that isn't angry in tone.

[Ana4Stapp]

So are you saying that he simply can't write as good when he's not depressed?


No, but after 10 years of writing, I expect myself to write better lyrics. Which I don't think Stapp does. I mean, even look at Weathered. Great lyrics on that album. Compared to the Creed records TGD lyrics are pretty poor, I think.


Exactly! ;)