The interviews of AB and Stapp

[The Lithium]

Isn't it sad and a bit of ironic that when someone interviews AB about Stapp you always hear; "Scott Stapp is a jerk anyway, go AB!!". And when you hear somene intervewing Stapp you always get: "Well, they suck, they just don't sell any records". - (Hello, the album did go gold, jack-ass! And people just don't buy records anymore... They download 'em!)

[rabidgopher04]

Yep. Simply amazing.

[RMadd]

yes it's amazing.
you know what's also amazing Lith? your obvious bias against Stapp. i find it odd you made an editorial comment of sorts when mentioning Stapp's discussion of AB. and yet you said nothing with regard to the stuff AB's been saying about Stapp. In my mind, it's really immature of all 4 of them (incidentally, I haven't heard much from Mr. Marshall, who had the most significant run-in w/ Stapp prior to the events leading up to the band's dissolution). IMO Stapp, Tru, and Flip all need to grow up. At the risk of sounding too kitschy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch), why can't we all just get along?

[bobben]

Hello, the album did go gold, jack-ass! And people just don't buy records anymore... They download 'em!

Gold is not very good! At least not compared to their previous achivements. If they ever reach platinum then it good! And how long did it take to get there?! 6 months or so!?

And...to state that the recordbuying community are still in form: Of U2's 14-15 albums, their latest have sold the most, and that's in these "downloading times"! :cool:

[Dogstar]

IMO Stapp, Tru, and Flip all need to grow up.

LOL, but they're rock stars. By definition, (at least in my mind) they are immature to begin with :D


Ok, back to the topic. I think they all need to stfu about one another and let the music do the talking :D.

[Bridge of Clay]

Actually, Brian was the only one who actually dissed Stapp: "he's a pathological fucking liar" while Stapp called Mark "a fucking asshole".

And about growing up... AB stories about Stapp are the same from day one while Stapp changed his version about what happened 3 or 4 times in less than a month of interviews...

so what was your point?

[titan9]

I agree, Dogstar, they need to just shut up already. The past is just that, the past. What's done is done. Instead of digging everything up again in interview after interview, they oughta just brush aside the questions(about Creed) and only talk about their present stuff. Name-calling(on both sides) does no good.

[jmhonline]

Actually, Brian was the only one who actually dissed Stapp: "he's a pathological fucking liar" while Stapp called Mark "a fucking asshole".
so what was your point?

Either you haven't read many of ab interviews, or you have a very narrow definition of diss. Maybe you have your own definition. Everyone but myles has "dissed" stapp.

[titan9]

Well, I guess it kinda depends on how you interpret the interviews. I mean, Mark nor Flip have ever flat out called Stapp a name(like Brian has), but they have insinuated things about Stapp that could be taken as bashing, depending on how you view the comments.

[Dogstar]

I agree, Dogstar, they need to just shut up already. The past is just that, the past. What's done is done. Instead of digging everything up again in interview after interview, they oughta just brush aside the questions(about Creed) and only talk about their present stuff. Name-calling(on both sides) does no good.
I agree. They've both made their points. It's time to move on -- for both sides.

[geletmote]

Look IMO, all of you guys miss creed.. and u just know it, even u alter bridge fans... U miss creed,simple.. dont worry about all these arguments and bullcrap, u jsut want them together again and you know its going to be really hard to make that happen, so now u live on in the words of a song you're a melody.


PS: AB's music is good but a perfect example would be adidas (3 stripes) which was creed and now CHEAP 2 stripes which is ALTER BRIDGE.. its jsut not happening.

peter g

[Chase]

Actually, Brian was the only one who actually dissed Stapp: "he's a pathological fucking liar" while Stapp called Mark "a fucking asshole".

And about growing up... AB stories about Stapp are the same from day one while Stapp changed his version about what happened 3 or 4 times in less than a month of interviews...

so what was your point?

Stapp hasn't changed his story regarding the medication and steroids he was taking because of the pressures to continue the Weathered Tour.

[The Lithium]

Damn, this will be a clever post! :D Check it out!

your obvious bias against Stapp. i find it odd you made an editorial comment of sorts when mentioning Stapp's discussion of AB.
Why do you think you know me so well? You don't! Cut it out! I think Scott has been a jerk from time to time, but I still like his music.

Gold is not very good! At least not compared to their previous achivements. If they ever reach platinum then it good! And how long did it take to get there?! 6 months or so!?
First gold was 50,000 records. Then they changed it to 30,000 records. Now they're gonna change it again to 20,000 records. A few years ago every record company had about 80 employeeds, now they have around 20. And they have to collaborate to survive. Why? 'Cause no one buys CDs anymore! They download 'em! If you check ABs downloads on the internet VERY many have downloaded ODR! I checked the BitTorrent sites www.ThePriateBay.org and www.isoHunt.com. And you know what I found out? Only on those two sites 24520 people have downloaded ODR!!! (Illegaly). And that was from TWO sites!! If you count in all the other BT-sites, (which is A LOT), plus P2P-programs like DC++, Kazaa, LimeWire, etc... You can easly figure out that more people have downloaded their stuff instead of buying it! And people burrow CDs from their friends and burn 'em etc, etc... Of course that is a factor why they don't sell as much as Creed did!

Actually, Brian was the only one who actually dissed Stapp: "he's a pathological fucking liar" while Stapp called Mark "a fucking asshole".
Yeah, I agree 100%

Either you haven't read many of ab interviews, or you have a very narrow definition of diss. Maybe you have your own definition. Everyone but myles has "dissed" stapp.
You're way out of line, man!

Stapp hasn't changed his story regarding the medication and steroids he was taking because of the pressures to continue the Weathered Tour.
Things he said last year:
-"Creed is getting back together"
-"I'm sure another Creed record will be out down the road"
-"Mark is uncle Mark to my baby boy, I don't see why this break up would end a friendship"

Things he has said this year:
-"I was Creed, I wrote all the Creed songs"
-"Creed was over after Human Clay. It says in the lyrics on Weathered that this is the last album that I'm making with these guys"
-"My so-called friends"
-"Mark is a fucking asshole"

Do you deny that he has changed his stories?

[geletmote]

Hey Lithium were does it say in the lyrics on Weathered that this is the last album that I'm making with these guys" ???

[The Lithium]

Hey Lithium were does it say in the lyrics on Weathered that this is the last album that I'm making with these guys" ???
Don't ask me, ask Stapp! He said it. I was just quoting him.

[Creed7352]

stapp said that in an interview, that the lyrics on weathered were about his thoughts and feelings on the band...it doesn't actually say, "this is the last record i'm making with this band."

[geletmote]

LOL much better creed7352, be a little more precise next time Lithium...

[PrtytilImPurple]

I listened to the interview too, and no one actually heard Stapp say "Mark is an fucking asshole" either. The DJ said it...and Stapp replied..."did I say that?

Mark Tremonti's been calling Scott Stapp an asshole for more than a year now.

[The Lithium]

LOL much better creed7352, be a little more precise next time Lithium...
He did say: "It says in the lyrics on Wheatered that this is the last album that I'm making with the guys" in the interview I was talking aobut.

So I was very precise!

[ctfan]

He did say: "It says in the lyrics on Wheatered that this is the last album that I'm making with the guys" in the interview I was talking aobut.

So I was very precise!

No you weren't Lithium. If you must, go back and reread all the lyrics to every song on the Weathered cd, and you won't find them. Stapp was telling a story through the lyrics on Weathered, like someone else said, his thoughts and feelings at the time the songs were written. That's what Stapp meant man and you know it.

If Stapp's interviews are going to upset you this much, just don't listen to them anymore. Making a point is making a point, but you are stretching some of these things way too far.

[ctfan]

I listened to the interview too, and no one actually heard Stapp say "Mark is an fucking asshole" either. The DJ said it...and Stapp replied..."did I say that?

Mark Tremonti's been calling Scott Stapp an asshole for more than a year now.

Right. :)

[geletmote]

No you weren't Lithium. If you must, go back and reread all the lyrics to every song on the Weathered cd, and you won't find them. Stapp was telling a story through the lyrics on Weathered, like someone else said, his thoughts and feelings at the time the songs were written. That's what Stapp meant man and you know it.

If Stapp's interviews are going to upset you this much, just don't listen to them anymore. Making a point is making a point, but you are stretching some of these things way too far.

I agree with you ctfan, lithium i dont know if your a creed fan or not but havtn u heard the weathered songs, it sais nothing like that in the lyrics, your just trying to play mind games I think..

[Mrprophetman]

Hey Lithium were does it say in the lyrics on Weathered that this is the last album that I'm making with these guys" ???

Yeah. I listened to the entire CD and I didn't find a song on there that said anything about "I hate these fucking assholes and I'm never gonna work with them again.

[Mrprophetman]

He did say: "It says in the lyrics on Wheatered that this is the last album that I'm making with the guys" in the interview I was talking aobut. So I was very precise!

He said "listen to the lyrics on Weathered". Then I don't know what interview you were listening to. Don't worry little guy. They will find another record label and put out another CD, and you can to just as gaga over it as you want to. You're taking what you hear and making if fit what you want to think. You are starting to get a little scary. But that's just my opinion

[RMadd]

so what was your point?
i think his point was just another attempt to further villify Stapp

[eusebioCBR]

There's no need to justify loathing Scott Stapp. It's just fun! :laugh:

[Bridge of Clay]

Stapp hasn't changed his story regarding the medication and steroids he was taking because of the pressures to continue the Weathered Tour.
no.

He said he was taking one for the team, he said he was forced to take them, he said had only two shots of whisky although he was smelling alcohol really bad...

[The Lithium]

No you weren't Lithium. If you must, go back and reread all the lyrics to every song on the Weathered cd, and you won't find them. Stapp was telling a story through the lyrics on Weathered, like someone else said, his thoughts and feelings at the time the songs were written. That's what Stapp meant man and you know it.

If Stapp's interviews are going to upset you this much, just don't listen to them anymore. Making a point is making a point, but you are stretching some of these things way too far.
For God sake, I don't care what the man meant, for crying out loud! I quoted him as an example! I haven't said it says anywhere in lyrics on Weathered that Creed is breaking up, HE SAID IT!!! And I'm not upset with his interviews, I'm upset with you!

He said "listen to the lyrics on Weathered". Then I don't know what interview you were listening to. Don't worry little guy. They will find another record label and put out another CD, and you can to just as gaga over it as you want to. You're taking what you hear and making if fit what you want to think. You are starting to get a little scary. But that's just my opinion
Little man? And you're the one to talk with your 16 posts? Are you trying to inslut me because I believe what AB tells us about Stapp? Doesn't mean I don't still like his music, which I do. And it seems like you wanna get into some "Name-calling-fight", and I'm not gonna do that with you. I'm more mature than that.

no.

He said he was taking one for the team, he said he was forced to take them, he said had only two shots of whisky although he was smelling alcohol really bad...
This man has always good points!... (Mostly because pretty often their close to my points :D)

[Mrprophetman]

[QUOTE=The Lithium]Little man? And you're the one to talk with your 16 posts? Are you trying to inslut me because I believe what AB tells us about Stapp? Doesn't mean I don't still like his music, which I do. And it seems like you wanna get into some "Name-calling-fight", and I'm not gonna do that with you. I'm more mature than that.QUOTE]

You say you like his music, but go on and on about his personal life. You don't always act that mature. But then that is just my opinion.

I meant what I said. I'm sure that Alter Bridge will find a new record label and will make another album, and that I'm sure all Alter Bridge fans will swoon over it. It may even sell better than their last one if Kennedy has some input in the lyrics.

Oh and FYI...in the United States you sell 500,000 records to get a Gold Record. Something that Alter Bridge technically hasn't done. 1,000,000 gets you a Platinum Record, for every million its a multiplatinum record. And I think that once it goes over 10 million it achieves Diamond status...just like Human Clay.

[The Lithium]

You say you like his music, but go on and on about his personal life. You don't always act that mature. But then that is just my opinion.
I don't care for his personal life. But I think the guy can be a jerk, from time to time. What I do not like about him is him lying about stuff in interviews. I'm not gonna quote him again and you don't have to believe it... But I do!

I meant what I said. I'm sure that Alter Bridge will find a new record label and will make another album, and that I'm sure all Alter Bridge fans will swoon over it. It may even sell better than their last one if Kennedy has some input in the lyrics.
Well, I agree with the fact that the next album will sell more than ODR. I think Myles will have more input and I wish they could move on to a better label. But I don't think they're gonna leave Wind-Up.

Oh and FYI...in the United States you sell 500,000 records to get a Gold Record. Something that Alter Bridge technically hasn't done. 1,000,000 gets you a Platinum Record, for every million its a multiplatinum record. And I think that once it goes over 10 million it achieves Diamond status...just like Human Clay.
Well, then you and I haven't heard the same information. But if AB technically hasn't done it, it's gotta be something to what I said. And still... The number of people downloading ODR is way higher than the people buying it. They're more known than what the album sells tells us. At least here in Sweden, very many know of them!

[ctfan]

There's no need to justify loathing Scott Stapp. It's just fun! :laugh:

See?? And people just can't for the life of them figure out why others get upset at some comments.

Geezus.

[ctfan]

For God sake, I don't care what the man meant, for crying out loud! I quoted him as an example! I haven't said it says anywhere in lyrics on Weathered that Creed is breaking up, HE SAID IT!!! And I'm not upset with his interviews, I'm upset with you!

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm just going on what your posting, and the way you twist things.

[geletmote]

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm just going on what your posting, and the way you twist things.



Lithium does that on purpose if you havnt realised, trying to gain eveyones attention.. get over it

[ctfan]

Lithium does that on purpose if you havnt realised, trying to gain eveyones attention.. get over it

Okey dokey. :)

[Mrprophetman]

I don't care for his personal life. But I think the guy can be a jerk, from time to time. What I do not like about him is him lying about stuff in interviews. I'm not gonna quote him again and you don't have to believe it... But I do!

Well, I agree with the fact that the next album will sell more than ODR. I think Myles will have more input and I wish they could move on to a better label. But I don't think they're gonna leave Wind-Up.

Well, then you and I haven't heard the same information. But if AB technically hasn't done it, it's gotta be something to what I said. And still... The number of people downloading ODR is way higher than the people buying it. They're more known than what the album sells tells us. At least here in Sweden, very many know of them!

From what I've been reading, Alter Bridge only had a one record deal with Wind-Up. Though I can't remember where I read it. Actually, I've read that Wind-Up has already dropped them. Of course that could just be a nasty rumor. What do you think.

Don't believe me then go to the RIAA website. That's that company that is now taking illegal downloaders to COURT. Alter Bridge may have been presented with a gold record, but technically they haven't sold enough records to go Gold. The problem with people who download illegally for FREE is that the band doesn't get credit for selling the record. I mention the name Alter Bridge and people way WHO?????? But its nice to know that everyone in Europe and Sweden know who they are.

[ctfan]

From what I've been reading, Alter Bridge only had a one record deal with Wind-Up. Though I can't remember where I read it. Actually, I've read that Wind-Up has already dropped them. Of course that could just be a nasty rumor. What do you think.

Don't believe me then go to the RIAA website. That's that company that is now taking illegal downloaders to COURT. Alter Bridge may have been presented with a gold record, but technically they haven't sold enough records to go Gold. The problem with people who download illegally for FREE is that the band doesn't get credit for selling the record. I mention the name Alter Bridge and people way WHO?????? But its nice to know that everyone in Europe and Sweden know who they are.

I've read the same thing about Wind-Up dropping AB. Posted about it too, and never got an answer, so maybe it's not a rumor after all. I agree, I think it's a pretty crappy thing to download entire cd's illegally. Not only do bands not get credit, they don't get paid either. :)

[Creed7352]

i responded...it's a rumor.

[Bridge of Clay]

I guess there are people here who trust on the vh1 BB too much... I wonder if they'd still believe if the artist in question was someone else.

[The Lithium]

I guess there are people here who trust on the vh1 BB too much... I wonder if they'd still believe if the artist in question was someone else.
Is the VH1 BB of AB still full of crap from the "mature" Stapp fans?

[titan9]

Is the VH1 BB of AB still full of crap from the "mature" Stapp fans?

Actually, I was just there(for the very first time) and it looks to be pretty clean. I don't see any negative posts, but the board itself looks to be kinda dead. Not too many threads there.

I was also just at the Stapp forum, and there seems to be a few pro-AB, anti-Stapp guys over there posting nonsense. No surprise. It'll probably happen again to the AB forum when their new CD is close to its release date.

On a side note, my head nearly exploded when I *attempted* to read some of those posts on the VH1 forums. Let's just say that those people could use a spell checker. :laugh:

[Dogstar]

On a side note, my head nearly exploded when I *attempted* to read some of those posts on the VH1 forums. Let's just say that those people could use a spell checker. :laugh:
LMAO! I checked that board once, about three years ago, and that was enough. Between the spelling and the spewing, I decided it was not worth my time.

[titan9]

No doubt, which is why I am thankful that there are boards like this one and abb's board. The posts here and at abb.net are easy to read, easy to understand. The posts at the VH1 board....well....they look like they were posted by 12 year olds. :laugh:

[The Lithium]

I was also just at the Stapp forum, and there seems to be a few pro-AB, anti-Stapp guys over there posting nonsense. No surprise. It'll probably happen again to the AB forum when their new CD is close to its release date.
That's really too bad. I guess some AB fans ain't that mature either. Sucks... Let it go guys!

[titan9]

Yup, like I've said before, it happens on both sides.

[Creed7352]

i just want to say something else here cause my neighbor works for sony...she's in sales and distribution. she sells artists albums to stores, i.e. "hey, we just got *insert artist name here*'s new album, how many units do you guys want for the store stock." now, if the label is selling them to the stores, that's still an album sold. therefore, gold status IS valid because the label got their money for them, they were sold.

i'm curious because i've seen people say such things about other artists as well, where are you getting the info from that says how many were sold and such? cause if they're certified gold by the RIAA, which i think is the organization that is giving those statistics out, would it not reflect that they've sold enough to be gold or diamond or platinum (for any artist here)? i don't get it.

[The Lithium]

i just want to say something else here cause my neighbor works for sony...she's in sales and distribution. she sells artists albums to stores, i.e. "hey, we just got *insert artist name here*'s new album, how many units do you guys want for the store stock." now, if the label is selling them to the stores, that's still an album sold. therefore, gold status IS valid because the label got their money for them, they were sold.
Yeah that's true. That's why Björn of ABBA could sell gold before his album even was released.

[Mrprophetman]

i just want to say something else here cause my neighbor works for sony...she's in sales and distribution. she sells artists albums to stores, i.e. "hey, we just got *insert artist name here*'s new album, how many units do you guys want for the store stock." now, if the label is selling them to the stores, that's still an album sold. therefore, gold status IS valid because the label got their money for them, they were sold.

i'm curious because i've seen people say such things about other artists as well, where are you getting the info from that says how many were sold and such? cause if they're certified gold by the RIAA, which i think is the organization that is giving those statistics out, would it not reflect that they've sold enough to be gold or diamond or platinum (for any artist here)? i don't get it.

The way it was told to me is that the label ships 750,000 and retailers can return 15% of CD's shipped. That apparently gives someone 500,000 CD's shipped. But that doesn't mean that all those CD's were sold. And what I am reading is that Alter Bridge hasn't sold 500,000 copies. Those statistics are coming from SoundScan. They actually track the number of units SOLD and not shipped. And their numbers aren't accurate. Some retailers over report...as much as three or four CD's for every one that they sell in order to make up for the retailers that don't report sales to SoundScan.

I've come to the conclusion that the awarding of a Gold Record is pretty much a joke if all you have to do is ship enough copies to qualify for it.

[The Lithium]

I've come to the conclusion that the awarding of a Gold Record is pretty much a joke if all you have to do is ship enough copies to qualify for it.
Yeah, but that's the way it is! It's not about selling records, it's about shipping records.

[Mrprophetman]

Yeah, but that's the way it is! It's not about selling records, it's about shipping records.


Then Alter Bridge's GOLD record is pretty much a joke if it isn't actually based on the number of records that they have sold.

Anybody with enough money can press 750,000 CD's and ship them. Where does that mean anything is an actual accomplishment?

[The Lithium]

Then Alter Bridge's GOLD record is pretty much a joke if it isn't actually based on the number of records that they have sold.
Yes and no. Yes, it's a "joke" because they might not have sold those exact numbers. But no it's not because it's the same for everybody. This is not just an Alter Bridge thing, it's the rules for everybody. Call it a joke if you will, but those are the rules. It's the same for every artist. Alter Bridge has "sold" gold just fair like anybody else does!

[Mrprophetman]

Yes and no. Yes, it's a "joke" because they might not have sold those exact numbers. But no it's not because it's the same for everybody. This is not just an Alter Bridge thing, it's the rules for everybody. Call it a joke if you will, but those are the rules. It's the same for every artist. Alter Bridge has "sold" gold just fair like anybody else does!

No. Actually Alter Bridge just "Shipped" Gold.

Hey. I just thought of something. Stapp's a wealthy guy. He might even be able to ship Platinum. HAHAHA

[Bridge of Clay]

at least AB has done something instead of procrastinating forever....

[Mrprophetman]

at least AB has done something instead of procrastinating forever....

Don't give me that crap. Tremonti had those songs written before Creed ever thought of breaking up. Stapp has said in interviews (if you even bothered to read them) that he didn't have songs written before he started recording.

[Creed7352]

that he didn't have songs written before he started recording.

that's impossible...there would be nothing to record then. LOL!!

Anybody with enough money can press 750,000 CD's and ship them. Where does that mean anything is an actual accomplishment?

no, not really...i could have 4 billion dollars and still not ship gold, the record stores would have to want it.

[Greenworld]

No its not a joke at all actually, the amount you ship shows the demand for an album. So say something sells out at a store fast, then you order another hundred, then same goes fo another store, and another, etc. Then you add up all the shipment calls, and you might end having 500,000 shipped. Yea sure, 1/2 a mill. wasnt sold prolly exact, but no band has sold how many have been shipped currently until the album hits another status.

[The Lithium]

No its not a joke at all actually, the amount you ship shows the demand for an album. So say something sells out at a store fast, then you order another hundred, then same goes fo another store, and another, etc. Then you add up all the shipment calls, and you might end having 500,000 shipped. Yea sure, 1/2 a mill. wasnt sold prolly exact, but no band has sold how many have been shipped currently until the album hits another status.
Exactly! Sadly too many seem to be so freaking close-minded they don't care for anything else but their own opinion!

[geletmote]

at least AB has done something instead of procrastinating forever....

Well after having to sing songs over and over and over every day for months, you would need a long break to give ur voice box a rest, so I wouldnt call it procrastinating. The others play instruments its must be exciting everytime for them. Not saying singing isnt exciting but its hard work,physically and mentally draining..

[Creed7352]

myles kennedy works harder and puts more time into his voice than stapp. myles' voice is his instrument.

[Bridge of Clay]

Exactly.

It's just like your job: you see the ones who are hardworkers and the ones who are slackers...

ETA to elaborate:

Although, each has its own motivation that pushes him to do more or less, according to the moments they're living.

For example, the local CEO of my company had a pretty "slow career" until after he was a 2nd line manager and then it skyrocketed.

With all the issues Stapp had, he couldn't put an album as soon as AB. But he could've taken care of his voice, which seems to have deteriorated even after the Weathered tour was done. But I'll still give him benefit of the doubt until he sings live on the radio/gig on a day he's not sick.

[titan9]

I don't deny that Myles probably puts more work into his voice than Stapp does. But to insinuate that Stapp is a slacker for that? I wouldn't say Stapp's a slacker just because he likes to spend a lot of time doing other things, like raising his son and spending time with his family. That, imo, is more important than spending hours working on his voice. Just because he doesn't spend as much time on it as Myles, that doesn't make him a slacker. If that does, you might as well call a million other singers slackers. ;)

*Edit* I posted that before I saw Marcos edit.

[geletmote]

I don't deny that Myles probably puts more work into his voice than Stapp does. But to insinuate that Stapp is a slacker for that? I wouldn't say Stapp's a slacker just because he likes to spend a lot of time doing other things, like raising his son and spending time with his family. That, imo, is more important than spending hours working on his voice. Just because he doesn't spend as much time on it as Myles, that doesn't make him a slacker. If that does, you might as well call a million other singers slackers. ;)

*Edit* I posted that before I saw Marcos edit.


Thats exactly right, I dont think stapp woulve explained that any better. Hes not a slacker. And as for comparing there voices, Im not sure you can, myles is good but stapp is stapp that husky voice is rare dont diss it..