Its a weird thing.....

[UK_Bridge]

basically as i have said on this site before i am a big fan of AB,Creed and scott stapp..... i feel really dissapointed in scott sometimes though when he says stuff like he did on that radio interview but then i stick on The Great Divide and i just get shivers down my spine and forget all about what hes done.... for me its such a rollercoaster ride being a fan of Scott.

there you go thoughts now off my chest!

[titan9]

I feel the exact same way. I am very angry with how Stapp has acted in recent interviews, but when I listen to his music, whether it's the stuff he did with Creed, or his solo stuff, I realize that I am still a fan of the work he does as a musician.

[jmhonline]

basically as i have said on this site before i am a big fan of AB,Creed and scott stapp..... i feel really dissapointed in scott sometimes though when he says stuff like he did on that radio interview but then i stick on The Great Divide and i just get shivers down my spine and forget all about what hes done.... for me its such a rollercoaster ride being a fan of Scott.

there you go thoughts now off my chest!

I just think about all stuff AB says, and the feeling goes away and realize scott is just human.

[Dogstar]

Worship the music, not the musician :D.

[Chase]

Exactly... I look at Tremonti's comments and Stapp's comments over the span of one year. Then I realize that Stapp is starting to react to Tremonti's game.

[titan9]

Worship the music, not the musician :D.

Exactly how I feel. I could care less about what Stapp does/says, so long as he continues to make music that I enjoy. Same thing goes for AB and every other artist/band I like listening to.

[jmhonline]

Worship the music, not the musician :D.

Words to live by! If you went by the lead singer's antics, think about how many cds and favorite bands would have to be thrown out! If the lead singer is squeaky clean, the band probably isn't that good. :D

[The Lithium]

for me its such a rollercoaster ride being a fan of Scott.
I feel the exact same way.
Yeah, I agree with you guys!

I look at Tremonti's comments and Stapp's comments over the span of one year. Then I realize that Stapp is starting to react to Tremonti's game.
Oh please, gimme a break! You can never proove this! I want to hand me an interview, in text, in videos, in audio, whatever! If you find an interview where Tremonti have said ONE bashing comment, like Stapp does about Mark all the time now,(such as: "Fucking asshole", "So-called friend" or "I was Creed"). Don't just quote him, at least say in what interview he said it, and I might find it. But I won't believe this until I see it for myself! Mark Thomas Tremonti have never ever said a bashing comment about Scott Alan Stapp. (Birthname: Anthony Scott Flippen).

[Chase]

Yeah, I agree with you guys!


Oh please, gimme a break! You can never proove this! I want to hand me an interview, in text, in videos, in audio, whatever! If you find an interview where Tremonti have said ONE bashing comment, like Stapp does about Mark all the time now,(such as: "Fucking asshole", "So-called friend" or "I was Creed"). Don't just quote him, at least say in what interview he said it, and I might find it. But I won't believe this until I see it for myself! Mark Thomas Tremonti have never ever said a bashing comment about Scott Alan Stapp. (Birthname: Anthony Scott Flippen).

Tremonti has never bashed Stapp? C'mon... it's fine to look up to certain people and view them as role models. However, following them blindly is not a good idea. You know that Tremonti has been constantly bashing Stapp. Just because you intensely despise Stapp does not mean that you can't recognize the fact that Tremonti is human, has made mistakes, and has been bashing his former bandmate.

http://www.alterbridgeband.net/media/interviews/8-01-05_GuitarOne.html

That whole interview is dedicated to why Alter Bridge hates Stapp as opposed to their music. Brian Marshall is actually the worst with such lines as "Scott Stapp is a pathological liar." I just find it ironic that you're so adamantly against the hardcore Stapp supporters... but in reality you act the same way about Tremonti and Alter Bridge.

[The Lithium]

I've read that interview before, I can't recall Mark bashing Stapp about anything! Please quote, (from that interview).

I don't follow Mark or AB blindly as you seem to think, but I do see through Stapp's lies and crap, which you don't!

[jmhonline]

Tremonti has never bashed Stapp? C'mon... it's fine to look up to certain people and view them as role models. However, following them blindly is not a good idea. You know that Tremonti has been constantly bashing Stapp. Just because you intensely despise Stapp does not mean that you can't recognize the fact that Tremonti is human, has made mistakes, and has been bashing his former bandmate.

http://www.alterbridgeband.net/media/interviews/8-01-05_GuitarOne.html

That whole interview is dedicated to why Alter Bridge hates Stapp as opposed to their music. Brian Marshall is actually the worst with such lines as "Scott Stapp is a pathological liar." I just find it ironic that you're so adamantly against the hardcore Stapp supporters... but in reality you act the same way about Tremonti and Alter Bridge.

C'mon! That is not bashing. Bashing is to engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism. What in that article seems harsh or accusatory? We all need to stop living by the dictionary and instead live in denial. ;)

[The Lithium]

Exactly, it isn't bashing! And Mark is absolutely NOT bashing Stapp!

[jmhonline]

Notice the wink smiley. I wasn't serious. Only someone in denial thinks mark/ab isn't bashing stapp.

[The Lithium]

Notice the wink smiley. I wasn't serious. Only someone in denial thinks mark/ab isn't bashing stapp.
Hey, I'm not saying they're telling positiv stuff about him. But bashing is what Stapp did to Mark. Calling Mark "A fucking asshole". Mark has never ever bashed Stapp in that way! You can search for 1000 years, you'll never find one bashing comment from Mark about Stapp.

[Dogstar]

Lith, AB might have not used as nasty a batch of words as Stapp did to bash them, but you can't say they didn't bash Scott. It was pretty clear through everything they said in countless interviews that they were pissed off at him. As I've said before, the truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle.

[jmhonline]

Hey, I'm not saying they're telling positiv stuff about him. But bashing is what Stapp did to Mark. Calling Mark "A fucking asshole". Mark has never ever bashed Stapp in that way! You can search for 1000 years, you'll never find one bashing comment from Mark about Stapp.

Like I said, denial or some odd definition of bashing that only stapp-haters use.

[titan9]

Lith, AB might have not used as nasty a batch of words as Stapp did to bash them, but you can't say they didn't bash Scott. It was pretty clear through everything they said in countless interviews that they were pissed off at him. As I've said before, the truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle.

I completely agree with that. I think there is some truth and some lies coming from both sides.

[The Lithium]

Lith, AB might have not used as nasty a batch of words as Stapp did to bash them, but you can't say they didn't bash Scott. It was pretty clear through everything they said in countless interviews that they were pissed off at him. As I've said before, the truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle.
If you call that bashing, they've been bashing him a lot! To me bashing is calling someone a "Fucking asshole". And I think Brian has bashed Stapp by calling him "Pathological fuckingar lair". But we were talking about Mark bashing Stapp. Not AB, Mark. And I never think Mark has.

I completely agree with that. I think there is some truth and some lies coming from both sides.
I think both sides are telling their side of the truth. Although I chose to believe AB more than Stapp. Since Stapp changes his stories a lot I find it hard to believe some of the things he says.

One example is that last year Mark was "Uncle Mark to my baby boy and I don't see why this break-up would end a friendship. And I still keep contact with them, I still talk to them. And I'm sure there will be another Creed record out down the road".

Now Mark is a fucking asshole, and a "So-called friend". He has only spoken to them through laywers and it said in the lyrics on Weathered that "This is the last album that I'm making with these guys". And also he claims: "I was Creed. They didn't want to split the money when I wrote all the songs". - (Which Mark did - lair)

Another example is when Stapp said in a radio interview, (I'm sorry, I can't remember which one, but I'm sure if you ask for it on PBF, the chicks who runs it will know what you mean)., Anyway... He said that he and Mark had sat down over the phone and chose the songs that would feature on the Greatest Hits CD. When Mark himself claims he didn't want to release that record. And it says in the booklet that some guy Ryan Smith was the one who chose the setlist. I mean, you can't possibly explain that with something that doesn't lead you to the fact that on some level he must have been lying.

It's his way to all of a sudden change his stories that makes me doubt some of the things he says. But sure, I don't think he's lying about everything. I think he's often telling his side of the truth. But I just don't think he's a easy person to be around or work with. (As AB have said 1000 of times). In the last interview I heard with him he told a story very simmular to ABs story. Which is good in one way. And yet worse in another... Although he was telling a simmular story he had changed his whole mind about this break-up, and that's just worse. He changes his stories so often you don't know what to believe.

[ctfan]

If you call that bashing, they've been bashing him a lot! To me bashing is calling someone a "Fucking asshole". And I think Brian has bashed Stapp by calling him "Pathological fuckingar lair". But we were talking about Mark bashing Stapp. Not AB, Mark. And I never think Mark has.


I think both sides are telling their side of the truth. Although I chose to believe AB more than Stapp. Since Stapp changes his stories a lot I find it hard to believe some of the things he says.

One example is that last year Mark was "Uncle Mark to my baby boy and I don't see why this break-up would end a friendship. And I still keep contact with them, I still talk to them. And I'm sure there will be another Creed record out down the road".

Now Mark is a fucking asshole, and a "So-called friend". He has only spoken to them through laywers and it said in the lyrics on Weathered that "This is the last album that I'm making with these guys". And also he claims: "I was Creed. They didn't want to split the money when I wrote all the songs". - (Which Mark did - lair)

Another example is when Stapp said in a radio interview, (I'm sorry, I can't remember which one, but I'm sure if you ask for it on PBF, the chicks who runs it will know what you mean)., Anyway... He said that he and Mark had sat down over the phone and chose the songs that would feature on the Greatest Hits CD. When Mark himself claims he didn't want to release that record. And it says in the booklet that some guy Ryan Smith was the one who chose the setlist. I mean, you can't possibly explain that with something that doesn't lead you to the fact that on some level he must have been lying.

It's his way to all of a sudden change his stories that makes me doubt some of the things he says. But sure, I don't think he's lying about everything. I think he's often telling his side of the truth. But I just don't think he's a easy person to be around or work with. (As AB have said 1000 of times). In the last interview I heard with him he told a story very simmular to ABs story. Which is good in one way. And yet worse in another... Although he was telling a simmular story he had changed his whole mind about this break-up, and that's just worse. He changes his stories so often you don't know what to believe.

Dude, you need to get hold of yourself. It's all gonna be ok.

For one thing, last year was just that. LAST YEAR. Last year, AB hadn't gone on the Stapp bashing bandwagon to the degree that it eventually wound up. Has it ever occured to you that Stapp's feelings have changed since then? I know if it were me they had been talking about in the capacity that they did for a year, I'd sure talk to them through lawyers only too.

Stapp never said that Mark was a "fucking asshole" in that interview, the dj said it. That was brought up to you in another thread. Nowhere in the Weathered lyrics, or by Stapp's own admission did he ever say that it was the last Creed album he would ever do with the guys. That point was also brought up to you in another thread. What he did say is..."Creed was over after Human Clay", "listen to the lyrics on Weathered". If your gonna take the time to listen to the interviews that Stapp gives and then rip on him about it, then at least get what you quote correct.

So, Phillips said basically the same thing about Stapp. "I use the term "friend" loosely". If it worked for him at that time, then it should work for Stapp now.

The setlist choices, well hmmm, maybe Mark and Stapp just couldn't agree. It was very apparent that Mark didn't like the idea about the GH release. So maybe they him-hawed about it and just finally gave up and let someone else choose. Just because Stapp made the statement that they chose the list doesn't mean he's flat out lying dude, just maybe means that they didn't finalize it and someone else did.

Mark has changed his story so many times, imo he's a joke. "We broke up because....", "I don't want to point fingers but.....", "Well, we had problems with Stapp because.....", "I don't know what happend....".etc, etc, etc.

As for the "big head" comment made by Stapp, or rather the "head swelling" comment, oh I think Stapp's right. Mark said himself that most of the lyrics/music on the the AB cd were actually written while on the Weathered tour and imo, he may have thought that they were going to be used on the next Creed album. That didn't happen. Hence the comment by Stapp, "they didn't want to share the money".

You believe AB's side of the story. I believe Stapp's. Your opinion counts dude, and so does mine because we all have our own thoughts, and differing opinions.

[The Lithium]

To start off; I think you misunderstood my post a little bit. It's not what he has said, it's the way he has changed his stories...

For one thing, last year was just that. LAST YEAR. Last year, AB hadn't gone on the Stapp bashing bandwagon to the degree that it eventually wound up. Has it ever occured to you that Stapp's feelings have changed since then? I know if it were me they had been talking about in the capacity that they did for a year, I'd sure talk to them through lawyers only too.
Yeah, no, I understand if his feelings may have been hurten, but still. From "speaking and being friends with them" to "only speaking to them through laywers since the break-up".

Nowhere in the Weathered lyrics, or by Stapp's own admission did he ever say that it was the last Creed album he would ever do with the guys. That point was also brought up to you in another thread. What he did say is..."Creed was over after Human Clay", "listen to the lyrics on Weathered". If your gonna take the time to listen to the interviews that Stapp gives and then rip on him about it, then at least get what you quote correct.
I remember him saying those exact words, and I think it was in that Columbus interview. (But I may be wrong, but I don't think so)...

So, Phillips said basically the same thing about Stapp. "I use the term "friend" loosely". If it worked for him at that time, then it should work for Stapp now.
Again, it's not what he said, it's the way he has changed his stories.

The setlist choices, well hmmm, maybe Mark and Stapp just couldn't agree. It was very apparent that Mark didn't like the idea about the GH release. So maybe they him-hawed about it and just finally gave up and let someone else choose. Just because Stapp made the statement that they chose the list doesn't mean he's flat out lying dude, just maybe means that they didn't finalize it and someone else did.
Well, Michael (Tremonti) told me another story about that comment. I can't really remember what he said, but this is pretty muc what he've told me about Stapp still talking to them, being friends, the Greatest Hits setlist thingy, and so on. So this is what Michael have said to the AB fans about most of those things...: "Another flat lie...".

Mark has changed his story so many times, imo he's a joke. "We broke up because....", "I don't want to point fingers but.....", "Well, we had problems with Stapp because.....", "I don't know what happend....".etc, etc, etc.
Imo? What's so freaking funny, I don't get it... Well yes, Mark has change his stories a little bit. But he thing is he's just giving us another picture than he was before. He's telling us what happened behind closed doors and so on. Stapp is totally switching pictures. Maybe he's telling the truth now, but that must mean he was lying before about still being friends with them, and so on...

As for the "big head" comment made by Stapp, or rather the "head swelling" comment, oh I think Stapp's right. Mark said himself that most of the lyrics/music on the the AB cd were actually written while on the Weathered tour and imo, he may have thought that they were going to be used on the next Creed album. That didn't happen. Hence the comment by Stapp, "they didn't want to share the money".
Yes, he said that, but that was like ages before ODR was released. And Mark have also said, many times, that he is always writing music. Weather it is for Creed/AB or something else. He's always writing music, and very many of these songs will never be released. He didn't always write for Creed while being a member of the band. I can't really see Creed play Find The Real or One Day Remains.

You believe AB's side of the story. I believe Stapp's. Your opinion counts dude, and so does mine because we all have our own thoughts, and differing opinions.
Yeah, and even if I don't believe you think I do, I'd like to say that I still respect you as muc has anybody else. And just because you believe Stapp and I believe AB doesn't have to mean we can't stand each other. If it makes you feel better to believe Stapp, I'm glad you do!

Rock on!

[Dogstar]

If you call that bashing, they've been bashing him a lot! To me bashing is calling someone a "Fucking asshole". And I think Brian has bashed Stapp by calling him "Pathological fuckingar lair". But we were talking about Mark bashing Stapp. Not AB, Mark. And I never think Mark has.
Mark IS part of AB, he did some of the talking in those magazine interviews, so yes, he was bashing. You can bash someone, rip someone a new asshole without cussing. It's not so much about the actual words.

[The Lithium]

Mark IS part of AB, he did some of the talking in those magazine interviews, so yes, he was bashing. You can bash someone, rip someone a new asshole without cussing. It's not so much about the actual words.
Well then I apologize for misunderstanding the true meaning of that word. Sorry, I'm swedish! :D

[cariocawlad]

Come on people...I thinky we all had too much of this Stapp vs. AB thing. We must going on and look for new horizons! I'm tired of this treads about all that garbage that has been said in the interviews.

Creed broke up under bad circunstances and the two sides always gonna say negatives about each other. We never going to know the truth, so I'll ask a question: let's try something new! Try to enjoy the music that Scott and AB are doing and let the interviews away from our eyes and our minds.

Let's remember that sometime ago we were all Creed fans and we used to like a lot this guys.

Peace.

[Ana4Stapp]

Come on people...I thinky we all had too much of this Stapp vs. AB thing. We must going on and look for new horizons! I'm tired of this treads about all that garbage that has been said in the interviews.

Creed broke up under bad circunstances and the two sides always gonna say negatives about each other. We never going to know the truth, so I'll ask a question: let's try something new! Try to enjoy the music that Scott and AB are doing and let the interviews away from our eyes and our minds.

Let's remember that sometime ago we were all Creed fans and we used to like a lot this guys.

Peace.



Very Good point, Wlad! :clap:

[creedlvr]

Which interview did Scott say these things?

[Dogstar]

Well then I apologize for misunderstanding the true meaning of that word. Sorry, I'm swedish! :D
LOL, no prob, Lith. You do a great job with your English!

[The Lithium]

LOL, no prob, Lith. You do a great job with your English!
Well, I'm trying, but I'm only 16 yet. (Turning 17 in December)... I guess I'm doing pretty okay, I mean, you guys seem to understand what I'm saying! :D

[Dogstar]

LOL, always. You have an excellent command of the language!

[Dogstar]

Which interview did Scott say these things?
People are referring to his current radio tour. I believe there have been interviews in Columbus and Cleveland, Ohio, St. Louis, and Chicago.

[Chase]

Well, I'm trying, but I'm only 16 yet. (Turning 17 in December)... I guess I'm doing pretty okay, I mean, you guys seem to understand what I'm saying! :D

Actually Lith... you do speak English well. I mean, much better than Roffe (no offense). Anyway man, what some people are saying is that there are two sides to every disagreement. It's fine if you pick a side to believe... but I think everyone agrees that the AB vs. Stapp feud is pretty pointless.

[Robin101]

I agree that this debate is slightly pointless (although quite entertaining!)

A review (can't remember which one - you will just have to trust me) I read some time ago for ODR summed it up best. It said, to the best of my memory:

'Creed fans may have lost one band, but in Alter Bridge and Scott Stapp - solo album on the horizon - they may have two great alternatives.'

Take Care

[The Lithium]

Actually Lith... you do speak English well. I mean, much better than Roffe (no offense). Anyway man, what some people are saying is that there are two sides to every disagreement. It's fine if you pick a side to believe... but I think everyone agrees that the AB vs. Stapp feud is pretty pointless.
Thank you, and oh yeah, I agree with that. It is pretty pointless... And well, it won't bring Creed back.

Just for fun: are there any guys left who actually thinks they might get back together somewhere down the road? Well, I don't, AB sure doesn't seem to like Stapp and Stapp sure doesn't seem to like AB.

[titan9]

I believe in the saying "never say never". So I do think it is entirely possible. However, even I know that the chances are slim to none, and a lot of stuff(namely them becoming friends again) would have to happen in order for a reunion to occur. Do I personally think it will happen? No, but I know that it is possible. Do I want it to happen? I'm torn on that. I'm very happy with Alter Bridge, and thus far I like what Stapp has put out, for the most part. I've always thought of the break-up in a positive way: now we have the potential to get twice the amount of good music. If a reunion does happen, I'll certainly be happy for the guys.

[Ana4Stapp]

I believe in the saying "never say never". So I do think it is entirely possible. However, even I know that the chances are slim to none, and a lot of stuff(namely them becoming friends again) would have to happen in order for a reunion to occur. Do I personally think it will happen? No, but I know that it is possible. Do I want it to happen? I'm torn on that. I'm very happy with Alter Bridge, and thus far I like what Stapp has put out, for the most part. I've always thought of the break-up in a positive way: now we have the potential to get twice the amount of good music. If a reunion does happen, I'll certainly be happy for the guys.

I cant believe in that, I mean Creed reunion wont be possible because they said it many many times...also Tremo, Flip and Marshall are very happy with Alter Bridge and since Stapp finally seems to release his cd in November ...I cant see this possibility...

and what about Myles and his absolute insane voice? Are you forgetting him? :rolleyes:

[titan9]

Haha, Myles could then become a solo artist. ;) My whole point, though, was to never say never. Five years ago, no one could have predicted all of the stuff that has happened with Creed. Who's to say someone can accurately predict what'll happen 20 years from now? Anything is possible.