All Star Game 2005

[Tremontixriffs]

I don't know if anyone caught alter Bridge on Espn for the homerun derby, but as usual Tremonti Kicked ass... I do have one complaint, I like myles, he has a great personality, but man he cannot sing for s#$%. If that were Scott Stapp singing higher that stadium wouldve rocked, the fans didn't seem to take to Myles at all. Personally I think he's alright but can't tremonti find a guy who has some vocal talent. Everytime he would sing he sounded raspy and hoarse. Stapp is still the man even though his attitude sucks noone can top his writng and singing... :cool:

[titan9]

While I agree, Myles was not at his best for that performance, if you've heard One Day Remains, the album, I'm sure you wouldn't think that Myles can't sing for #%##. His vocal style is kinda completely opposite of Scott's(and I am a huge fan of Scott's ability as a singer and lyricist) and it is hard to get used to for those who were Creed fans and fans of Scott's vocal style. I even admit that when ODR first came out, I really disliked Myles. But as I got used to his singing, I became a big fan of his. Now I'd rank him as one of my favorite vocalists.

If Creed were still together, and if they performed at the Derby and played Higher, I'm sure Scott would have done a good job. But because of the sound in the stadium, I'm not sure his vocals would have sounded much better than Myles' vocals. I don't really blame Myles singing coming off bad on him, but rather on the fact that it was in a big stadium. I've heard Myles live before and trust me, he typically sounds a lot better than that.

[Tremontixriffs]

True, I think the album sounded great, he has agreat classic rock sound, I saw four creed concerts in outdoor staiums and I just believe when they played live noone could top them. He is just one of the singers that is on and off when it comes to his voice..Plus I heard he has a hearing problem which hurts his ability to hit high pitches sometimes...I just miss the old band

[titan9]

Yeah, I never saw a Creed concert in person. But I've heard from many that the concerts were awesome and that they put on a great show. I recently DLed some live songs from the Human Clay '99 tour(the San Antonio show) and Stapp sounded superb, as did the rest of the band. I've never heard that Myles has a hearing problem and you're right, that could hurt his ability to hit high pitches. But for the most part, in any live stuff I have listened to, he has hit the notes perfectly.

[titan9]

Oh, and by the way, welcome to the forums! I can't believe I didn't notice that you were a new member until now.:D

[uncertaindrumer]

Yeah, Stapp sounded so great at those concerts where he was rolling on the ground intoxicated ;)

Seriously, though, this is exactly why I think that all star show did nothing but hurt AB. Myles, the greatest rock singer alive, sings like crap, Tremonti, the best mainstream rock gutiarist alive, plays like crap during his solo, and Johhny Damon and Mike Piazza go up there looking like complete fools, making a mockery out of the whole performance.

Ridiculous.

[titan9]

Yeah, Stapp sounded so great at those concerts where he was rolling on the ground intoxicated ;)


Lol, I KNEW someone would say that.:D Anyway, I've never heard any live bootlegs from the Weathered tour, so I can't comment on how he sounded during that period of time. But I will say that he sounded amazing during the HC '99 tour, or at least based on the bootlegs I've heard from that time. Hopefully he still has that same vocal ability for his solo tour.

Seriously, though, this is exactly why I think that all star show did nothing but hurt AB. Myles, the greatest rock singer alive, sings like crap, Tremonti, the best mainstream rock gutiarist alive, plays like crap during his solo, and Johhny Damon and Mike Piazza go up there looking like complete fools, making a mockery out of the whole performance.

Ridiculous.

I still don't think Myles sounded that bad or that off. Like I've already said, I have heard much, much worse live performances. You know at Live 8? Audioslave performed there and I caught their performance of "Like a Stone". Cornell sounded pretty bad(he just didn't hit his notes well), far worse than Myles sounded at the derby. AND Cornell is regarded as the best vocalist in Rock today. I think that says something. Even on one of Myles' off performances, he still can sound better than a guy who is regarded as the best vocalist in Rock does on his worst performance.

As for Mark, I'll agree, that solo sounded a bit, for lack of a better word, funky. It just sounded different compared to the album version. I don't know why, though. But I still think Mark did a good job during the performance.

I don't think Alter Bridge was at all hurt by doing this performance. It gave them a good amount of exposure and I think that really helps them.

As for Myles being the greatest rock singer alive.......I'm not quite ready to say that, lol. He needs to make a few more albums, first. I will say that I would rank him among the best, right alongside Cornell and some others. :D

[Anna1011]

As for Myles being the greatest rock singer alive.......I'm not quite ready to say that, lol. He needs to make a few more albums, first. I will say that I would rank him among the best, right alongside Cornell and some others.
have you heard any of the stuff he did with mayfield four??

[Ana4Stapp]

Well, actually I love Myles voice--and I agree he's the best rock singer (even though I love Cornell's voice too) but AB performance was surprisingly bad. Surreal performance! :(

[Anna1011]

myles has the most amazing voice i dont think hes at his best with AB yet because listening to mayfield four it just blew me away he just has an awsome voice and some of the notes he hits well just sends shivers down my spine we can totally expect more from him

[uncertaindrumer]

have you heard any of the stuff he did with mayfield four??

LOL, just what I was gonna ask, although Titan has heard MF4--he sent a lot of theri stuff to me ;)

But yeah, Cornell kicks butt, and in his prime he was probably better than Myles is now. But I think his voice has gotten just slightly worse over the years (*slightly*) and Myles now has the edge.

[titan9]

have you heard any of the stuff he did with mayfield four??

Yeah, like Uncertain said, I have heard the stuff Myles did in MF4, and that made me an even bigger fan of his. He did some phenomenal stuff with the Four and I was impressed by how good of an overall musician he really is. I love the MF4 and both of their albums. Still, though, I want to see a couple more AB albums before I am willing to name Myles as the best rock singer alive. He's up there and he's at the top of my favorites list, but not everyone in my favorites list is worthy of me calling them the best ever.:D

Agreed about Cornell, Uncertain. I just bought Out of Exile this week and I'm loving it. That's actually the first Cornell-related album I've ever bought. I'm gonna have to buy some Soundgarden stuff sooner or later.:laugh:

[Anna1011]

thats cool titan but we are gonna have to wait till november of next year for another album.

[uncertaindrumer]

thats cool titan but we are gonna have to wait till november of next year for another album.
November?! When did it become November? First it was spring, then late summer, and now November? This reaks of Stappish delays...

P.S. Titan, OOE rocks. Chris does his best work in at least a decade on that album. Also, Soundgarden's A-sides is a good best of album.

[Ana4Stapp]

Agreed about Cornell, Uncertain. I just bought Out of Exile this week and I'm loving it. That's actually the first Cornell-related album I've ever bought. I'm gonna have to buy some Soundgarden stuff sooner or later.:laugh:


Oh guy...I bought Out of Exile in June--and since then I cant stop listen to it!!!! All the songs are amazing. Actually I 'm loving Cornell... lol:o

I love Myles...but Cornell... ;) lol

[Ana4Stapp]

November?! When did it become November? First it was spring, then late summer, and now November? This reaks of Stappish delays...


.

Lol! I thought the same! Also, DONT FORGET IT: November IS the MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol:D

[geletmote]

HI there, im from australia and im a huge creed fan also gettin into alter bridge now, ive been searching the net were on earth can i find footage of live shows ive found a site with live shows but they are on audio cd, wre coul i get live performances with footage, especially the concert were scott was intoxicated?

any ideas

peter g

[Tremontixriffs]

[QUOTE=uncertaindrumer]Yeah, Stapp sounded so great at those concerts where he was rolling on the ground intoxicated ;)

Seriously, though, this is exactly why I think that all star show did nothing but hurt AB. Myles, the greatest rock singer alive, sings like crap, Tremonti, the best mainstream rock gutiarist alive, plays like crap during his solo, and Johhny Damon and Mike Piazza go up there looking like complete fools, making a mockery out of the whole performance.

Ridiculous.[/QUOTE



Okay who is this Uncertain drummer and who does think he is?, Myles Kennedy the greatest Lead singer ever. Myles is a very talented vocalist but hey I can think of 30 Good vocalists from the past ten years, until he comes close to having as successful career as Scott Stapp had, rocketing Creed to the top of the charts, come talk to me then. On the other hand Kennedy does have extrodinary range at times, kinda reminds me of a robert plant from zeplin. Getting back to Chris Cornel, he is another talented rock singer, but lets be serious we all know that Cornel with his voice could never even touch Zack Dela roch from rage against the machine. Even Soundgarden was a up and down band, I think they maybe put out one really good album and Audioslave is no Rage against the machine just as Alter bridge is no Creed. Though Uncertain has put AB at the top of the mountain, seeing their performance at the derby shows as a band they have a long way to go, especially having seen creed four times outdoors Stapp would have totally blew the doors off Kennedy in my opinion.

[Ana4Stapp]

Hun...here we go again... :rolleyes:

[creedsister]

[QUOTE=uncertaindrumer]Yeah, Stapp sounded so great at those concerts where he was rolling on the ground intoxicated ;)

Seriously, though, this is exactly why I think that all star show did nothing but hurt AB. Myles, the greatest rock singer alive, sings like crap, Tremonti, the best mainstream rock gutiarist alive, plays like crap during his solo, and Johhny Damon and Mike Piazza go up there looking like complete fools, making a mockery out of the whole performance.

Ridiculous.[/QUOTE



Okay who is this Uncertain drummer and who does think he is?, Myles Kennedy the greatest Lead singer ever. Myles is a very talented vocalist but hey I can think of 30 Good vocalists from the past ten years, until he comes close to having as successful career as Scott Stapp had, rocketing Creed to the top of the charts, come talk to me then. On the other hand Kennedy does have extrodinary range at times, kinda reminds me of a robert plant from zeplin. Getting back to Chris Cornel, he is another talented rock singer, but lets be serious we all know that Cornel with his voice could never even touch Zack Dela roch from rage against the machine. Even Soundgarden was a up and down band, I think they maybe put out one really good album and Audioslave is no Rage against the machine just as Alter bridge is no Creed. Though Uncertain has put AB at the top of the mountain, seeing their performance at the derby shows as a band they have a long way to go, especially having seen creed four times outdoors Stapp would have totally blew the doors off Kennedy in my opinion. WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO That BOY CAN DOWNNNNNNNNNN ANYBODYS DOORS, COME ON COME ON !!! :jam: :jam: :jam:

[Ana4Stapp]

Oh guy...Creed is over, RATM is in the past! Of course they were great ! But now we have also two great bands: Audioslave and Alter Bridge.They gave us two amazing albums: ODR and OOE. We get Chris Cornell and Myles Kennedy-and both are the best rock singers.They no need to be compared to anyone, they are different, they are unique. ;)

[uncertaindrumer]

Hun...here we go again...

I'll try not to be too nasty :cool:



Okay who is this Uncertain drummer and who does think he is?,

I am the most controversial member on the boards and I THINK I have the right to pronounce whatever opinions I may wish. Especially when they are easily supported by facts.

Myles Kennedy the greatest Lead singer ever.

What kind of ridiculous straw-man argument is that? I said nothing of the sort. I said he was the greatest rock singer alive. Not EVER, ALIVE. Robert Plant in his heyday would definitely be my pick before Myles, Chris Cornell at his peak I would also take. I could probably think of quite a few others. I also didn't say greatest LEAD singer of all time. That impleis that I think he is the greatest frontman. He is not. Bono is. But Myles has a far better voice than Bono, Stapp, or anyone else you hear in the mainstream today.

Myles is a very talented vocalist but hey I can think of 30 Good vocalists from the past ten years,

Good vocalists drop like flies. Great ones don't. Have you ever trained your voice or sung in a professional capacity? Just curious.

until he comes close to having as successful career as Scott Stapp had, rocketing Creed to the top of the charts, come talk to me then.

GRRRRR! Can there be a ban on people saying that record sales=talent? It is absurd. Stapp has a mediocre voice with lyrics that are entirely hate-able, and a prima donna atittude. Just because Creed sold a zillion records doesn't make him any better than the guy working 9 to 5 who practices every day and has a five octave range.

On the other hand Kennedy does have extrodinary range at times, kinda reminds me of a robert plant from zeplin.

Myles is less tenorish than Plant. Myles can go lower than Plant, but Plant I still think a better singer. If only because he was in Zep, lol. No, really I think Robert can stay higher for longer.

Getting back to Chris Cornel, he is another talented rock singer, but lets be serious we all know that Cornel with his voice could never even touch Zack Dela roch from rage against the machine.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Did you just say Chris Cornell is no Zack de la Roche? WHAT?! Zack de la Roche knows how to scream, Chris Cornell knoss how to SING.

Even Soundgarden was a up and down band, I think they maybe put out one really good album and Audioslave is no Rage against the machine just as Alter bridge is no Creed.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Okay. Audioslave is so much better than RATM it is not even funny. RATM was too political, had too much rap, too many effects, not enough focus on musicianship. But I can grudgingly understand that you might like RATM more.

But Creed is SO far out of AB's league it is hilarious. Let's go by the check list:

Drums: The drumming in AB is substantially better than the drumming in Creed, where Philip's basically recycled the same beat in EVERY SONG.

Bass: Well I am no bassist, and I actually think it is the weakest spot of AB. But it was nver anything special in Creed and is probably a lot better in Alter Bridge. Althoguh you can't really hear the bass in either.

Guitars: Tremonti improves so much in the jump between Creed and AB it is insane. Also, free from the constant demand for NOTHING but a ridiculous amount of stupid radio friendly catchy melodic hooks with no substance at all, he writes some nice riffs and some awesome solos.

Vocals: There simply is no question Myles is a more technically proficient singer than Stapp. PERIOD. You can't argue that. He has more range and hits harder notes, as well as with incredible consitancy.

Lyrics: Lyrics are amazingly subjective and to tell the truth, I don't like Creed's or AB's lyrics. But Stapp's lyrics are preachy annoying radio lyrics that do nothing but make my skin crawl. AB's are bad but at least they don't offend you.


Though Uncertain has put AB at the top of the mountain, seeing their performance at the derby shows as a band they have a long way to go,

Top of the mountain?! What? I don't think they are anywhere NEAR that. They have an album with four great songs, six below-average songs, and one good song. They have lots of potential, mostly in the hands of their ridiculously talented singer, who by the way can also SHRED. Stapp can't even strum.

especially having seen creed four times outdoors Stapp would have totally blew the doors off Kennedy in my opinion.

Sure. The derby sucked. I hated it, it didn't show their good side. So? Who cares. At least they have good songs to play (though granted, they didn't PLAY a good one). Creed had a solid rookie album and then it all went downhill. AB might do the same but at least they haven't yet. They still have potential.

[Ana4Stapp]

[QUOTE]I'll try not to be too nasty :cool:

Lol...Let's see... :rolleyes:


I am the most controversial member on the boards ...

:lolsign: ...by the way this is completely unnecessary to say...lol



Did you just say Chris Cornell is no Zack de la Roche? WHAT?! Zack de la Roche knows how to scream, Chris Cornell knoss how to SING.

You said it! I love Stapp and Myles voice, but Cornell ... :D lol ;)

[titan9]

I'm a huge fan of Stapp, but I never would rank him, technically speaking, above Myles. There is NO denying that Myles has more range than Stapp and is, overall, the better musician of the two. I say that because not only can Myles sing and hold incredible notes, but he is also a capable lyricist(see his lyrics in Mayfield Four) and a good guitarist who can compose songs. Stapp, in my honest opinion, is a very good lyricist(slightly better than Myles) and a pretty good singer. But he can't, that I know of, play guitar and compose songs like Myles did in MF4. However, Stapp easily ranks in my personal top 10 favorite singers, as does Myles, who actually is my favorite singer at the moment. Stapp doesn't have the kind of range Myles does, but Scott's vocals perfectly fit Creed. Who knows if they would have been a massively popular band if they had another guy as their lead singer.

I'll agree with Uncertain regarding Cornell/de la Roche. Nothing about de la Roche's vocals blew me away. However, having listened to just Audioslave's new CD(and select tracks off their first one), I can easily say that Cornell blows me away with his vocal ability. That dude has range!:laugh:

[uncertaindrumer]

I'm a huge fan of Stapp, but I never would rank him, technically speaking, above Myles. There is NO denying that Myles has more range than Stapp and is, overall, the better musician of the two. I say that because not only can Myles sing and hold incredible notes, but he is also a capable lyricist(see his lyrics in Mayfield Four) and a good guitarist who can compose songs. Stapp, in my honest opinion, is a very good lyricist(slightly better than Myles) and a pretty good singer. But he can't, that I know of, play guitar and compose songs like Myles did in MF4. However, Stapp easily ranks in my personal top 10 favorite singers, as does Myles, who actually is my favorite singer at the moment. Stapp doesn't have the kind of range Myles does, but Scott's vocals perfectly fit Creed. Who knows if they would have been a massively popular band if they had another guy as their lead singer.

Exactly.

I'll agree with Uncertain regarding Cornell/de la Roche. Nothing about de la Roche's vocals blew me away. However, having listened to just Audioslave's new CD(and select tracks off their first one), I can easily say that Cornell blows me away with his vocal ability. That dude has range!:laugh:

Why anyone would claim Zack de la Roche is a great singer is beyond me...

[Tremontixriffs]

Exactly.



Why anyone would claim Zack de la Roche is a great singer is beyond me...

Guys,

I was not saying that Cornell and Kennedy are not really talented rock singers, but collectively as a band rage against the machine while together were unbelieveable, even though a little political. Uncertain is right when he says that there is potential with Alter Bridge, But whether or not collectively they will jell as well as Stapp and Tremonti and Phillips remains to be seen. Creed as a band before the problems were awesome and I understand that they aren't together anymore, but I cannot agree that alter bridge is a better band at this jucture, Tremonti's guitar playing may be at his best with AB , but Collectively Tremonti and Stapp as a duo were unbeatable...They were only one of the best songwriting duos around and I actually like the Mayfield Four..I actually think that band fit myles better than alter bridge, but thats my opinion. Oh yeah and uncertains take on Stapps Lyrics are a little shabby, especially when he claims all there songs were religious hub gub, but to tell ou the truth I never eally noticed. The songs creed wrote were lyrically awesome and held meaning as where with the exception of a few songs One Day remains seems to be a repetitve pot shots at Stapp and the creed days.Sorry but to me Weathered, Six Feet, Bullets, My sacrifice were really good songs and I'm sorry to say can't hold a candle to any song Alter bridge has put out so far, and that really says something because Weathered was considered to be the worst of the three Cd's. I actually hear those songs on the radio now more than I've heard AB on the radio and its been four years since they came out.

[titan9]

Oh, I'll agree, at this point, Alter Bridge doesn't compare with Creed. I just pulled out MOP for the first time in a couple of months and I listened to the whole thing, without skipping a single track. I forgot how amazing that CD was. I mean, no track on that CD, imo, is skippable. You've got solid track after solid track after solid track. Whereas on ODR, I skip a couple(namely 2 out of the last 3 tracks) tracks. Even though there are some great solos and great tracks on ODR, it still isn't as good, imo, as MOP. But it is a excellent debut CD for AB, considering the amount of time they took recording it.

However, AB still COULD become better than Creed, maybe not from a success standpoint, but from a creative standpoint. What I'd like to see for the next CD is Myles writing all the lyrics(Mark's a decent lyricist, but I think Myles would be a better fit), a few more solos and if there are ballads, I'd like to see better ones. If AB can improve upon the first CD on the next album and then carry that momentum over to the third CD, then they could very well end up a creatively better band than Creed.

As far as the lyrics in Creed, there definitely wasn't religious stuff in every single song. Is there anything religious about Bullets? How about What If? Or My Sacrifice? Or One? See what I mean? There were spiritual meanings sprinkled into some songs, but not all. U2 does the same sort of thing. You'll see spiritual stuff in some songs, but not all songs by them. If the lyrics come from the heart and if you're a Christian(whether that's a committed one or a struggling one), spirituality will find its way into your lyrics. I speak from experience, being a lyricist myself. It's not like I TRY to infuse spirituality into my lyrics; it just happens.

[uncertaindrumer]

Oh, I'll agree, at this point, Alter Bridge doesn't compare with Creed. I just pulled out MOP for the first time in a couple of months and I listened to the whole thing, without skipping a single track. I forgot how amazing that CD was. I mean, no track on that CD, imo, is skippable. You've got solid track after solid track after solid track. Whereas on ODR, I skip a couple(namely 2 out of the last 3 tracks) tracks. Even though there are some great solos and great tracks on ODR, it still isn't as good, imo, as MOP. But it is a excellent debut CD for AB, considering the amount of time they took recording it.

Well of course I am gonna disagree but we all know that :rolleyes:

However, AB still COULD become better than Creed, maybe not from a success standpoint, but from a creative standpoint. What I'd like to see for the next CD is Myles writing all the lyrics(Mark's a decent lyricist, but I think Myles would be a better fit), a few more solos and if there are ballads, I'd like to see better ones. If AB can approve upon the first CD on the next album and then carry that momentum over to the third CD, then they could very well end up a creatively better band than Creed.

They will never match Creed's record sale success for a number of reasons: They(hopefully) are not going to sell out; they have a REAL rock singer, a TENOR, and people who listen to radio dislike tenors; Disc burning and downloading has become so much more rampant in the last five years that it is VERY difficult for a rock band to get that many albums sold. The pople who buy CD's are generally the people who can't download them, and while this is a horrific stereotype, it is nonetheless true--it is the 13 year old girls who can't download them. They are the main driving force behind the mainstream/pop scene, and any cursory look at the charts will show you that.

As far as the lyrics in Creed, there definitely wasn't religious stuff in every single song. Is there anything religious about Bullets? How about What If? Or My Sacrifice? Or One?

Did you just use bullets as an example of what a song's lyrics should be...? Come on, Titan, I know you are better than that. What If is actually the only song I don't mind the lyrics. But One is the msot preachy song I can think of at the moment...

See what I mean? There were spiritual meanings sprinkled into some songs, but not all. U2 does the same sort of thing.

U2's lyrics are actually good. Ask anyone who really works at songwriting, poetry, lyrics--Creed does not have good lyrics. Of course, this is a moot point because as I said, AB has downright rotten ones as well...


And as a final note--First of all, saying Audioslave is worse than RATM is ridiculous for a number of reasons. First, they are completely different types of music. Second, Cornell is a better singer than de la Roche, PERIOD, so if you are going to compare the bands, compare the bands--not the singers. Third, Audioslave doesn't scream the entire time. That is always a good thing, right?

And as a final, final note, such songs as My Sacrifice, One last Breath etc. are simply not that good from an objectvie perspective. I understand how far opinion goes and all, but things like this have been, done before, they are entirely unoriginal, are pretty darn simple chord progressions, and they all sound pretty much the same. Anyway, I gotta go.

I will come back and defend music's honor later. lol, jk

[titan9]

Did you just use bullets as an example of what a song's lyrics should be...? Come on, Titan, I know you are better than that. What If is actually the only song I don't mind the lyrics. But One is the msot preachy song I can think of at the moment...

No, no, no, I did not use Bullets as an example of what a song's lyrics SHOULD be. I used Bullets as an example of the Creed songs that did not have spirituality in them. No way was I implying that Bullets is a lyrical masterpiece; it's far from that.

About One: I can't really spot any spirituality in that song. Is it preachy in that it preaches peace and unity? Yes and I think that's a good thing. Is it preachy in that it preaches religion? Heck no. That was why I cited that song as a Creed song that doesn't have any spirituality in it. In your posts you have made it seem like every Creed song is preachy about religion, which isn't true.

Never would I compare Stapp, lyrically, to Bono, lyrically. I like Stapp's lyrics more than Bono's(pretty much because I like Creed more than I do U2), but I know that Bono is a lot more respected as a lyricist than Stapp is. I also know that Bono is ranked among the best when it comes to frontmen and that U2 is ranked as a legendary band. I don't disagree with that at all, because U2 has done a lot of great things as a band and they've always been a pretty creative band. However, I perfer Stapp to Bono and Creed to U2. But I know not everyone does and that's why I wouldn't dare say Stapp is as good as or better than Bono.

[uncertaindrumer]

No, no, no, I did not use Bullets as an example of what a song's lyrics SHOULD be. I used Bullets as an example of the Creed songs that did not have spirituality in them. No way was I implying that Bullets is a lyrical masterpiece; it's far from that.

lol, I knew what you meant Titan, I was just giving you trouble for using Bullets as ANY kind of examples for lyrics, lol!

About One: I can't really spot any spirituality in that song. Is it preachy in that it preaches peace and unity? Yes and I think that's a good thing. Is it preachy in that it preaches religion? Heck no. That was why I cited that song as a Creed song that doesn't have any spirituality in it. In your posts you have made it seem like every Creed song is preachy about religion, which isn't true.

Meh, not preachy about religion. Just preachy. And they aren't ALL. As I have said many times, Creed's singles are their worst songs by far. MOP had some preachy songs (like One), but overall I liked the album, with four or five songs I didn't like too much. Then in HC and Weathered they went commercial. I hate it when bands with potential sell that potential for success.

Never would I compare Stapp, lyrically, to Bono, lyrically. I like Stapp's lyrics more than Bono's(pretty much because I like Creed more than I do U2), but I know that Bono is a lot more respected as a lyricist than Stapp is. I also know that Bono is ranked among the best when it comes to frontmen and that U2 is ranked as a legendary band. I don't disagree with that at all, because U2 has done a lot of great things as a band and they've always been a pretty creative band.

'Xactly

However, I perfer Stapp to Bono and Creed to U2. But I know not everyone does and that's why I wouldn't dare say Stapp is as good as or better than Bono.

:cool: You like Creed more than U2/ Someday you will change your mind ;)

[Tremontixriffs]

[QUOTE=uncertaindrumer]lol, I knew what you meant Titan, I was just giving you trouble for using Bullets as ANY kind of examples for lyrics, lol!



Meh, not preachy about religion. Just preachy. And they aren't ALL. As I have said many times, Creed's singles are their worst songs by far. MOP had some preachy songs (like One), but overall I liked the album, with four or five songs I didn't like too much. Then in HC and Weathered they went commercial. I hate it when bands with potential sell that potential for success.



'Xactly


C'mon Uncertain I know my own prison was great and most people think they went commercial, but honestly I can pop in human clay and listen from begining to end and not be disappointed with the songs, they all kicked ass with wicked guitar and kick ass lyrics, however I believe that Weathered was more of a commerical album than human clay. Also name one rock band that becomes popular that doesn't go commerical...The list go on including U2 which for a period of time in the 90's went totally fag...They came back strong and dropped that who village people thing they had during the 90's. Also who cares if a album is a little commercial, some commercial songs aren't that bad unless their done by gay boy bands like backstreet, ect. Creed was by no means a boy band and had they stayed together would have probable made it to the rock hall of fame.

[uncertaindrumer]

C'mon Uncertain I know my own prison was great and most people think they went commercial, but honestly I can pop in human clay and listen from begining to end and not be disappointed with the songs, they all kicked ass with wicked guitar and kick ass lyrics, however I believe that Weathered was more of a commerical album than human clay. Also name one rock band that becomes popular that doesn't go commerical...The list go on including U2 which for a period of time in the 90's went totally fag...They came back strong and dropped that who village people thing they had during the 90's. Also who cares if a album is a little commercial, some commercial songs aren't that bad unless their done by gay boy bands like backstreet, ect. Creed was by no means a boy band and had they stayed together would have probable made it to the rock hall of fame.

First, they would not have gone to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, critics HATED them, and the only thing critics do in their spare time is vote on HoF ballots, lol

Second, you say that as long as it isn't the backstreet boys, it is alright if its commercial? I don't see the difference. Tremonti knows how to play the guitar A LOT better than he played it on HC and Weathered, he clearly dumbed itdown. The drums are the same recycled beat over and over, and Stapp... well you all know what I think of him. But regardless, they sold their albums in the same way. Catchy, insubstatial licks and a singer who was supposedly "hot".

[titan9]

Lol, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, U2's music is totally different from Creed's and I don't think I'll ever like U2's music more than say Creed's music or Alter Bridge's music or 12 Stones' music. U2's just a tad bit too, for lack of a better word, "soft" for me to like them more than the bands I mentioned, being the rocker that I am.:laugh: But I am a fan of U2 and I really respect what they've done over the years. Bands like U2 are rare.

As for the singles being the worst, well for the most part, they're not as good creatively as the rest of the songs. But rarely are a band's singles their best work. There's an exemption to the rule, though, imo. As I've already said, "One" and "My Own Prison" are my two favorite Creed songs and both were released as singles. I think those two songs are Creed's best work and I am sure there are others who would agree with me. So I can't completely agree with your statement, lol.

You know, I've always wondered how much Wind-Up pushed them to go commercial with their last two CDs. I just can't see Mark, Flip, Scott and Brian(when he was still apart of the band) wanting to go commercial just for the sake of making a bunch of money. Basically, I can't see them as wanting to "sell" out. I think Wind-Up pushed them to make more commercially friendly CDs.

[uncertaindrumer]

Lol, I'm not so sure about that. I mean, U2's music is totally different from Creed's and I don't think I'll ever like U2's music more than say Creed's music or Alter Bridge's music or 12 Stones' music. U2's just a tad bit too, for lack of a better word, "soft" for me to like them more than the bands I mentioned, being the rocker that I am.:laugh: But I am a fan of U2 and I really respect what they've done over the years. Bands like U2 are rare.

Well I guess I should ammend that. If you are a musician, eventually you will like U2 more, lol. Otherwise, yeah, prolly not.

As for the singles being the worst, well for the most part, they're not as good creatively as the rest of the songs. But rarely are a band's singles their best work. There's an exemption to the rule, though, imo. As I've already said, "One" and "My Own Prison" are my two favorite Creed songs and both were released as singles. I think those two songs are Creed's best work and I am sure there are others who would agree with me. So I can't completely agree with your statement, lol.

Well first, I mean particularly their singles from the two albums I obviously don't like... but then again my least favorite songs of MOP are... you guessed it. lol

You know, I've always wondered how much Wind-Up pushed them to go commercial with their last two CDs. I just can't see Mark, Flip, Scott and Brian(when he was still apart of the band) wanting to go commercial just for the sake of making a bunch of money. Basically, I can't see them as wanting to "sell" out. I think Wind-Up pushed them to make more commercially friendly CDs.

Oh I definitely think WU was part of the problem, although Stapp was as well. He clearly likes softer, less in-depth music. I think a major reason why Tremo left Creed was--duh--the fact that he was pushed to create super dumbed-down songs with a bunch of silly chord progressions. I don't pretend to know exactly WHY Creed went super-commercial. I don't really care why; the end result is the same.

[titan9]

First off, lol, I am kind of a musician. I've been writing song lyrics for a year now and am learning to play acoustic guitar as well. I might eventually take up another instrument, but for now, I'm focusing on acoustic and then I'll buy myself an electric and try to shred like Mark.:laugh:

Secondly, I wouldn't say that Stapp likes less in depth music. You do know that he is a big fan of U2, right? He also was/is a big fan of the Doors. I haven't really listened to much Doors stuff, but I do know that U2 has some pretty in depth, creative music. It's possible that Stapp forced Tremonti to cut back on his soloing, as Stapp himself has said that he isn't a big fan of solos. But, Tremonti is his own man, so I kinda doubt he'd let Stapp tell him what to do when it comes to playing his guitar. However, he would have to listen to Wind-up, so that's why I think Wind-Up is to blame.

[Tremontixriffs]

First, they would not have gone to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, critics HATED them, and the only thing critics do in their spare time is vote on HoF ballots, lol

Second, you say that as long as it isn't the backstreet boys, it is alright if its commercial? I don't see the difference. Tremonti knows how to play the guitar A LOT better than he played it on HC and Weathered, he clearly dumbed itdown. The drums are the same recycled beat over and over, and Stapp... well you all know what I think of him. But regardless, they sold their albums in the same way. Catchy, insubstatial licks and a singer who was supposedly "hot".

Uncertain,
I just finished researching this out , it seems you were wrong when you say the critics hated creed, All three of their albums got good reviews by countless members of the press, unless it somehow was a review by the I hate creed fanclub.Creed won countless awards while together and these awards were voted on by the media such as grammys, vh1 , mtv music awards and countless others. I respect your opinion on creed, to me they ruled and i did not think they were sappy or gay or anything like that, Im a guy who likes rock music and they made some awsome music together, but thats done with anyway.

Do any of you guys like Eve 6 or Disturbed?

[Dogstar]

Heh, the I Hate Creed fanclub was pretty full. It became cool to bash them, so lots of the media sheep got on the bandwagon. Regardless, Creed brought hours of enjoyment a crapload of new friends, several of them from this board.

I don't know much from Eve 6, but Disturbed is OK. I like a few of their songs.

[titan9]

Completely agree with you on your statement about it becoming cool to bash Creed. Quite a few people(including one of my brothers) bashed Creed just because it seemed cool. They didn't even hear any of Creed's music, aside from the singles, and yet they said that all their songs "sounded the same". Some of the singles sound similar, but not the exact same. And the non-single stuff is largely different from the singles.

[Dogstar]

If any of them had given MOP (the album) a chance, they never would have said those things. I can see them bashing the later stuff, as even I don't listen to Weathered much anymore, but HC and MOP get regular play.

[Ana4Stapp]

Completely agree with you on your statement about it becoming cool to bash Creed. Quite a few people(including one of my brothers) bashed Creed just because it seemed cool. They didn't even hear any of Creed's music, aside from the singles, and yet they said that all their songs "sounded the same". Some of the singles sound similar, but not the exact same. And the non-single stuff is largely different from the singles.

Nothing is becoming so "cool" than to bash Stapp... You can see here people posting threads to do it...

[titan9]

If any of them had given MOP (the album) a chance, they never would have said those things. I can see them bashing the later stuff, as even I don't listen to Weathered much anymore, but HC and MOP get regular play.

Yup, exactly. MOP is still an awesome album, imo. I hadn't listened to it in a few months(really, I haven't listened to many of my older CDs lately, because I've been on a new CD buying binge, lol) when I pulled it out a couple of days ago and popped it into my CD player. I'm still blown away by that CD today, I mean, every song on there is at least good, with at least a few great songs. It's just great stuff and I wish that every Creed critic would sit down and just listen to MOP with an open mind. I can pretty much guarantee that if they go into it with an open mind, they'll have a different perspective on Creed.

Nothing is becoming so "cool" than to bash Stapp... You can see here people posting threads to do it...

I agree with that as well. Stapp is clearly hated by some(not all, though) Creed fans who have now become Alter Bridge fans. As an unbiased fan of both Stapp and Alter Bridge, it's kinda disappointing how the tides have turned. But I can see why some Stapp-bashers dislike him: they don't like him because he has an "ego"; they don't like him because he'll be playing Creed songs on tour; they don't like him because they feel that he was the one who broke up Creed; they don't like him because he has taken so long to put out a solo CD etc. Of course, like you mentioned, there are some who bash Stapp just because it has become popular. As for me, I'm going to just keep patiently waiting for the solo CD.

[uncertaindrumer]

Uncertain,
I just finished researching this out , it seems you were wrong when you say the critics hated creed, All three of their albums got good reviews by countless members of the press, unless it somehow was a review by the I hate creed fanclub.Creed won countless awards while together and these awards were voted on by the media such as grammys, vh1 , mtv music awards and countless others. I respect your opinion on creed, to me they ruled and i did not think they were sappy or gay or anything like that, Im a guy who likes rock music and they made some awsome music together, but thats done with anyway.

Do any of you guys like Eve 6 or Disturbed?

Well I guess it depends what you mean when you say "critics". Grammy's go to complete no-tlents half the time. Boulevard of Broken Dreams, best rock song? It is not even a rock song. Rappers with no musical talent at all get awarded for it. MTV and VH1 both have so little to do with music it isn't even funny.

But whataver. I don't feel like arguing right now. I am pissed off at life and this is not helping.

[Ana4Stapp]

Yup, exactly. MOP is still an awesome album, imo. I hadn't listened to it in a few months(really, I haven't listened to many of my older CDs lately, because I've been on a new CD buying binge, lol) when I pulled it out a couple of days ago and popped it into my CD player. I'm still blown away by that CD today, I mean, every song on there is at least good, with at least a few great songs. It's just great stuff and I wish that every Creed critic would sit down and just listen to MOP with an open mind. I can pretty much guarantee that if they go into it with an open mind, they'll have a different perspective on Creed.



I agree with that as well. Stapp is clearly hated by some(not all, though) Creed fans who have now become Alter Bridge fans. As an unbiased fan of both Stapp and Alter Bridge, it's kinda disappointing how the tides have turned. But I can see why some Stapp-bashers dislike him: they don't like him because he has an "ego"; they don't like him because he'll be playing Creed songs on tour; they don't like him because they feel that he was the one who broke up Creed; they don't like him because he has taken so long to put out a solo CD etc. Of course, like you mentioned, there are some who bash Stapp just because it has become popular. As for me, I'm going to just keep patiently waiting for the solo CD.

Yeah, when I said people bashing him, i meant people that think it is cool, right now one thread was closed --cause it was clearly created to bash Stapp.

Of course I know he's giving some bad reasons to people dislike him--promises and delays, statements about the Creed's breakup...and I can understand it, but I cant understand when someone bashes Stapp or Creed or even AB just because its cool...its popular..
IT's ridiculous. ;)

[uncertaindrumer]

Yup, exactly. MOP is still an awesome album, imo. I hadn't listened to it in a few months(really, I haven't listened to many of my older CDs lately, because I've been on a new CD buying binge, lol) when I pulled it out a couple of days ago and popped it into my CD player. I'm still blown away by that CD today, I mean, every song on there is at least good, with at least a few great songs. It's just great stuff and I wish that every Creed critic would sit down and just listen to MOP with an open mind. I can pretty much guarantee that if they go into it with an open mind, they'll have a different perspective on Creed.

Depends. From a musiccal perspective, its still modern rock, and modern rock is considered by many to... suck. I must admit I am getting farther and farther away from modern rock.



I agree with that as well. Stapp is clearly hated by some(not all, though) Creed fans who have now become Alter Bridge fans. As an unbiased fan of both Stapp and Alter Bridge, it's kinda disappointing how the tides have turned. But I can see why some Stapp-bashers dislike him: they don't like him because he has an "ego"; they don't like him because he'll be playing Creed songs on tour; they don't like him because they feel that he was the one who broke up Creed; they don't like him because he has taken so long to put out a solo CD etc. Of course, like you mentioned, there are some who bash Stapp just because it has become popular. As for me, I'm going to just keep patiently waiting for the solo CD.

Indeed, you just about described me before Mark started letting loose all the info. Now I think that Stapp has a whole crapload of problems, and that Tremo has a big mouth. I mean, I understand that people specifically ask him these questions, but he could just say that he enjoyed his time with Creed, wants to move on, and out of respect for all parties involved he doesn't want to get into it. The only thing I really don't mind him commenting on is the Creed Greatesst Hits, because that is a public release and he has all the rights in the world to tell everyone he disagreed with it.

Oh well. I'm in a pessimistic mood.

[uncertaindrumer]

First off, lol, I am kind of a musician. I've been writing song lyrics for a year now and am learning to play acoustic guitar as well. I might eventually take up another instrument, but for now, I'm focusing on acoustic and then I'll buy myself an electric and try to shred like Mark.:laugh:

[QUOTE]Secondly, I wouldn't say that Stapp likes less in depth music.

Well that's the impression I have gotten. I could be wrong. Although I know he likes softer music.

You do know that he is a big fan of U2, right?

Yeah.

He also was/is a big fan of the Doors.

Yeah. although, I do not really like the Doors.

I haven't really listened to much Doors stuff, but I do know that U2 has some pretty in depth, creative music. It's possible that Stapp forced Tremonti to cut back on his soloing, as Stapp himself has said that he isn't a big fan of solos.

Exactly. This is Creed, not U2. Solos should fit into this type of music, and Stapp obviously did not want them.

But, Tremonti is his own man, so I kinda doubt he'd let Stapp tell him what to do when it comes to playing his guitar.

Well Mark DID say that Scott was always complaining about the solos, and he also said that "to kick Scott out of the band would have been career suicide", so you never know.

However, he would have to listen to Wind-up, so that's why I think Wind-Up is to blame.

I wish WU would crash and burn.

[uncertaindrumer]

Yeah, when I said people bashing him, i meant people that think it is cool, right now one thread was closed --cause it was clearly created to bash Stapp.

Of course I know he's giving some bad reasons to people dislike him--promises and delays, statements about the Creed's breakup...and I can understand it, but I cant understand when someone bashes Stapp or Creed or even AB just because its cool...its popular..
IT's ridiculous. ;)


The majority of people who bash them bash them for their genre--mainstream rock. I mean, I know I certainly think Rock hasn't been this week in... maybe ever. But I still liek a few bands. A few.

[titan9]

Depends. From a musiccal perspective, its still modern rock, and modern rock is considered by many to... suck. I must admit I am getting farther and farther away from modern rock.

Yeah, I'll agree, most of modern rock stinks. But there are still some real good bands. You just have to look past Rock radio to find'em.

Indeed, you just about described me before Mark started letting loose all the info. Now I think that Stapp has a whole crapload of problems, and that Tremo has a big mouth. I mean, I understand that people specifically ask him these questions, but he could just say that he enjoyed his time with Creed, wants to move on, and out of respect for all parties involved he doesn't want to get into it. The only thing I really don't mind him commenting on is the Creed Greatesst Hits, because that is a public release and he has all the rights in the world to tell everyone he disagreed with it.

That's pretty much what I've been saying, regarding Mark. I've been wishing for a while now that he would answer more positively when it comes to a question about Creed. Instead of saying how much of a jerk Stapp was, Mark could just say that he doesn't want to comment about the past. Saying that, I think, reflects well on Mark.

I partially agree about Stapp. He DID/DOES have quite a few problems, but I think that he has fixed some of those problems and is working on the remaining problems.

Well Mark DID say that Scott was always complaining about the solos, and he also said that "to kick Scott out of the band would have been career suicide", so you never know.

I never said he had to kick Scott out of the band. If he was so upset at Scott about the lack of solos, then Mark could have done something about it. He didn't have to listen to Scott.

I wish WU would crash and burn.

Well, I'm kinda torn about that. WU has given me(and many others) some awesome bands and awesome music, but on the other hand, they really stink at promotion. It seems like only their "biggest" bands get promotion, while the less popular bands get nothing. Look at 12 Stones. They released Potter's Field last August and didn't even do that much of a tour in support of it. They just did 5 or 6 dates this summer, but nothing major. Now, instead of touring more, they're working on a new CD. Apparently WU is "disappointed" with the sales for PF. Well, gee, if they don't get any promotion and don't get much radio airplay, then how the heck are they going to sell a bunch of records? It's common sense.:rolleyes:

Man, I think I set a new record today for number of agreements. I think I agreed with almost every post posted in this thread today.:laugh:

[Dogstar]

That's pretty much what I've been saying, regarding Mark. I've been wishing for a while now that he would answer more positively when it comes to a question about Creed. Instead of saying how much of a jerk Stapp was, Mark could just say that he doesn't want to comment about the past.
I think he tried that initially, but the questions would not go away, so I'm guessing he just figured he'd try to put the matter to rest once and for all.

[uncertaindrumer]

I think he tried that initially, but the questions would not go away, so I'm guessing he just figured he'd try to put the matter to rest once and for all.

Meh. You are talking to a guy who was absolutely Mark's bona fide number 1 fan in this little scuffle. You all know I can't stand Stapp and was praising Mark. But even I think he went too far. Who knows though. Maybe Stapp deserved it all. I think he probably did.

And yes, Titan, you must stay away from the radio... it is part of the axis of evil :D

[uncertaindrumer]

I never said he had to kick Scott out of the band. If he was so upset at Scott about the lack of solos, then Mark could have done something about it. He didn't have to listen to Scott.

What I meant was, he did have to listen to Scott for the most part. What were they gonna do? They could not kick him out so they had no choice. At least that is what it seems like. But who knows--maybe it was all a ploy by Mark to cover up the fact that he couldn't quite shred as fast as he wanted to yet ;)

[titan9]

Lol, that could be it.:laugh:

I don't completely stay away from Rock radio; I dislike most of what my local stations play, but they do play some good stuff sometimes so I usually listen to that in the car, except for when I have my personal CD player on me. I do completely avoid pop radio, because they NEVER play any good stuff.

[Ana4Stapp]

I never said he had to kick Scott out of the band. If he was so upset at Scott about the lack of solos, then Mark could have done something about it. He didn't have to listen to Scott.

What I meant was, he did have to listen to Scott for the most part. What were they gonna do? They could not kick him out so they had no choice. At least that is what it seems like. But who knows--maybe it was all a ploy by Mark to cover up the fact that he couldn't quite shred as fast as he wanted to yet

Its not my intention to break the heart of the Tremonti's number 01 fans... :D

but:

it seems too easy to come now and say "I couldnt do anything"..."I didnt have no choice"... "I was upset (about the lack of solos) all the time"...but "Stapps didnt hear"... "Stapp didnt want"...

Its sounds like a childish behaviour...cause the "lack of solos" happened by common consent-- it was a band, wasn it?


Look, Im not defending Stapp in this case,(to tell the truth--after various delays and fake promises of releases his cd, I cant see myself defending Stapp in any case...lol)-- but its getting boring to see Mark to play the part of the victim while Stapp is the bad guy.

Well, this is my point, guys. ;)

[Bridge of Clay]

Mark has the guts to say what he thinks and feels. If it was anyone else, it'd be more politically correct... we try to hide things and keep it to ourselves and our closest friends. That may be polite but hypocrat at the same time... he's frank, direct and honest. Can't blame him for that... although most people dislike this kind of attitude.

I think it's good... if more people were that sincere, world could be a better place. Of course, most people can't handle this way of being eiter.

[titan9]

I can honestly say that if I were in Mark's position, I would have been like "you do what you want to do when it comes to singing and writing lyrics, Scott, and I'm going to do what I want to do on the guitar and that means I will solo when I see fit." No way would I let someone else tell me how to play my instrument, not even in an effort to "keep the peace". Maybe Mark was content, at the time, with not soloing in that many songs, and maybe now, looking back on it, he regrets not soloing more. Who knows. All I know is that if Mark felt that way back then, he should have laid down the law and not backed down to Scott. Maybe that would have caused a split much sooner, but what's the point of being in a band if you're not enjoying it and not doing what you want to do? I mean, isn't that the reason Creed broke up? Because Mark and Flip were not enjoying being in the band anymore?

Anyway, it is tough to defend some of what Scott has said, but not all of it. I'm really just trying to stick to defending his music, because I have no idea if everything he says(or most of it) is true.

[uncertaindrumer]

To tell the truth, the whole deal sounds like this:

Creed forms and has a good debut album. They get good reviews, decent sales, are touring well, and all is right. Then, they decide they want bigger things, so whether by WU pressure, Stapp pressure, or whatnot, Tremo starts getting more radio friendly and the whol sound softens out. Then, Tremonti realizes that he is now in one of the most hated bands in the U.S., and has lost some of teh credibility he had gaiend for his great axe-work on MOP. So he decides it is time to get back to real rock. Stapp says no, Tremo leaves, and then in his annoyance blames it all on Stapp. So while I think Stapp is quite to blame, Tremonit is not exactly Mr. Perfect either.

But of course I only have incomplete info, so... who knows.

[titan9]

Ya know, that very well could be what happened. That sounds strangely right. Of course, we don't know the whole story so all we can do is assume what happened.

[Ana4Stapp]

I can honestly say that if I were in Mark's position, I would have been like "you do what you want to do when it comes to singing and writing lyrics, Scott, and I'm going to do what I want to do on the guitar and that means I will solo when I see fit." No way would I let someone else tell me how to play my instrument, not even in an effort to "keep the peace". Maybe Mark was content, at the time, with not soloing in that many songs, and maybe now, looking back on it, he regrets not soloing more. Who knows. All I know is that if Mark felt that way back then, he should have laid down the law and not backed down to Scott. Maybe that would have caused a split much sooner, but what's the point of being in a band if you're not enjoying it and not doing what you want to do?

Exactly! ;) This is my question too.

[Ana4Stapp]

Creed forms and has a good debut album. They get good reviews, decent sales, are touring well, and all is right. Then, they decide they want bigger things, so whether by WU pressure, Stapp pressure, or whatnot, Tremo starts getting more radio friendly and the whol sound softens out. Then, Tremonti realizes that he is now in one of the most hated bands in the U.S., and has lost some of teh credibility he had gaiend for his great axe-work on MOP. So he decides it is time to get back to real rock. Stapp says no, Tremo leaves, and then in his annoyance blames it all on Stapp. So while I think Stapp is quite to blame, Tremonit is not exactly Mr. Perfect either.

At last, someone who got the point: there is no victims or bad guys in this case; all of them had their part on Creed's breakup in the same level.


But of course I only have incomplete info, so... who knows

Yeah... no one knows, but this post seems to got very close to the (possible) true. ;)

[Tremontixriffs]

At last, someone who got the point: there is no victims or bad guys in this case; all of them had their part on Creed's breakup in the same level.



Yeah, no one knows, but this post seems to got very close to the (possible) true. ;)

That theory sounds almost perfect, and who is to say that the material on one day remains wouldn't have been the new Creed(minus some lyrical changes by Stapp) cd. Tremo wrote it, and then Stapp seeing it was against the sound of the new record and refused to sing. Then Tremo turns around and asks his buddy Myles , who was seen with Mark at NAMM before breakup of creed, do you want to be in my new band?..This gives mark some leverage in the situation.It was noted according to Stapp that someone outside the band was coming between them, who was that person...Marshall>?,or Myles?.Finally After arguing over creative differences, Scott and Mark part ways...Taking pot shots at each other.I find this interesting especiall seeing as though Stapp and Tremo were long time best friends. Alot of Band breakups happen, but whos to say that in a few years these guys a fews years wiser wake up and get over the baby shit and put out a wicked album...Hey Aerosmith did it, Van Halen(By no means is Stapp even close to being as big of an idiot as D. Lee Roth), Motley Crue, Ect. It happens , not saying it will but if things continue to go the way they have for both Stapp and Alter Bridge then they may reconsider. Maybe they will Try being reasonable to maintain some credibility. Alter Bridge is a worthy effort by mark to put out some good alternative rock, It isn't quite the hit creed was and their album sales and the fanfare isn't exactly there.
The next chapter of this will be told in the coming year or two, depending on how well Alter Bidge's follow up Cd is and whether or not Stapp's solo debut is a flop, only time will tell.

[Ana4Stapp]

^^^^
I'm not sure if I got your point: do you mean: that "maybe" they can restore the friendship or bring back Creed?
Cause I definitely dont believe in the last possibility.It has no chance. ;)

[Tremontixriffs]

^^^^
I'm not sure if I got your point: do you mean: that "maybe" they can restore the friendship or bring back Creed?
Cause I definitely dont believe in the last possibility.It has no chance. ;)

Possibly restore the friendship , but with a small possibility of a reuninon.

[titan9]

Possibly restore the friendship , but with a small possibility of a reuninon.

I don't even care about a reunion anymore, unless it means they'll return to the awesomeness that was MOP. Even then, I really like Alter Bridge and their music, so I'd be torn. But I would love to see Mark and Scott put aside their differences and restore the friendship. As a big fan of both, I hate to see them feuding like this.

[Ana4Stapp]

Well it would be a very good thing--I mean to restore the friendship, but they went too far, said a lot of bad things to each other and for each other, so I think a reunion or even the restore of their friendship is something very unreal.

When you finish a friendship, arguing and insulting your ex-friends, saying it publicly ...and try to return to it someday-- (if it happen) --it will be always very different, cause you think you can restore the feelings, but you can't. It's not the same thing. ;)

[The Lithium]

I don't know if anyone caught alter Bridge on Espn for the homerun derby, but as usual Tremonti Kicked ass... I do have one complaint, I like myles, he has a great personality, but man he cannot sing for s#$%. If that were Scott Stapp singing higher that stadium wouldve rocked
Please if you only have negative thoughts about AB and the Creed break up, don't post 'em, man! I love Myles, I think he's a blast! I've been a long time Stapp fan, but I think Myles is a better singer, technically. And to be quite honest I think Stapp've made some stupid mistakes.

And I think Myles did a great job. The sound was awful, that was it. You should come out and see AB on tour, he is such a great guy and awesome singer! I've seen AB once in London and once in Paris. (I'm from Stockholm, Sweden, so yeah, it's a long way to travell, but TOTALLY worth it just to stand there frontrow and see all their shining faces!)

And about the whole reunion thing. Mark said in GuitarOne: "There is no way Creed is getting back together again! Ever! Unless it was for world peace!". It's over, you guys!

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Please if you only have negative thoughts about AB and the Creed break up, don't post 'em, man! I love Myles, I think he's a blast! I've been a long time Stapp fan, but I think Myles is a better singer, technically. And to be quite honest I think Stapp've made some stupid mistakes.

And I think Myles did a great job. The sound was awful, that was it. You should come out and see AB on tour, he is such a great guy and awesome singer! I've seen AB once in London and once in Paris. (I'm from Stockholm, Sweden, so yeah, it's a long way to travell, but TOTALLY worth it just to stand there frontrow and see all their shining faces!)

And about the whole reunion thing. Mark said in GuitarOne: "There is no way Creed is getting back together again! Ever! Unless it was for world peace!". It's over, you guys!

Lithium,

No harm meant, I was just expressing my opinion, Myles is a great guy but I really dont see how you can compare him to stapp. The only thing they have in common is that they Both sang with the members of alter bridge. Stapps voice is soothing as it is powerful. Myles shrieks like a nasally Chris Cornell, that may have been great in the eighties but we all know that had it not been for Stapp , creed would have never had the success that it had and if that isn't more evident by the fact that noone really cares about alter Bridge, TV doesn't play them, Radio Doesn't..But yet I hear creed on all forms of radio top 20, alternative, classic rock thats right all formats. Honestly there are two sides to every story, maybe Stapp wasn't the only one at fault. Did you ever think maybe he had a breakdown over negative things in his life and it screwed him up, you never know, Brian Marshall is definitely no saint by any means.... I think the world of mark and I have seen alter bridge in concert, he is a great talent. I think a band like creed comes along once in a lifetime , and granted they disintegrated and yeah mark said never again..but Im sure Eddie Van Halen is eating his words somewhere right now too. Who knows, fact is I would love to hear myles sing some of Stapps songs , in reality I cant see him singing higher, Illusion, Torn,ect. As where I know Stapp can sing A Myles Kennedy tune, theres more screaming than singing if you ask me.

Finally When I saw Bridge in concert Myles is fun and all that but like I have said before as an artist, performer, Front man, Stage presence and overall fan approval Stapp wins hands down! :smokin: Smoke up..lol

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TV doesn't play them, Radio Doesn't..

Which, by the way, shows they are simply too talented to be digested by the mainstream, including you, apparently. You think being on radio means something? More than anything, it usually means you aren't very GOOD. Creed will not be remembered for very long. They were just another in a long line of bands who came along at the right time with the right sound and got lucky. They didn't change the industry or start anythign new. They got on a bandwagon and rolled with it all the way to the bank.

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Which, by the way, shows they are simply too talented to be digested by the mainstream, including you, apparently. You think being on radio means something? More than anything, it usually means you aren't very GOOD. Creed will not be remembered for very long. They were just another in a long line of bands who came along at the right time with the right sound and got lucky. They didn't change the industry or start anythign new. They got on a bandwagon and rolled with it all the way to the bank.

Yeah Yeah Yeah, thats why opinions are like asshole everyones got one..lol :wtf:

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So your "opinion" is that everyone who gets on the radio is good? Oh goodness...

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So your "opinion" is that everyone who gets on the radio is good? Oh goodness...

I like both bands, one a litlle more than the other. I do not agree that creed was nothing in the way of rock. Actually I can't remember too many cd's like MOP or human clay that you play from start to finish and not get sick of. yeah Weathered was a litle on the side of commercial, but it still had some good tunes, but was nowhere as good as the first two. I have bought so many rock cd's that have one or two good songs and the rest sucked and creed was like a breath of fresh air when they came out. so many bands Staind ,Limp bizkit, linkin park, bit off of creed's ideas its sickening how much stainds lead singer sound like stap when he sings...ughh.Yeah alot of people compare creed and pearl jam, but lets be serious Cred had way more success as a band than pear jam did and sounded nothing like them, mark is a way better guitarist and Stapp wrote way better songs to the point where Pearl jam was making remakes of songs just to sell records and now theyve dissapeared.'

Nowadays I crave listening to a creed or AB song because in my opinon there is noone out there that is better right now. Three doors down is a decent band and have some good songs. Your right modern rock does kinda suck, but I dont think that it creeds fault that evertone wanted to copy their sound and style. I cant think of one good cd that has come close to comparing to MOP or Human Clay recently, all the bands nowadays are one hit wonders...And I have to apoligize, AB is one hell of a band for the time theyve been together, Myles has potential, I just get aggervated when I tell people I like AB and they start laughing because they dont think the singers that good, I dont know...I guess Im confused.

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I like both bands, one a litlle more than the other. I do not agree that creed was nothing in the way of rock. Actually I can't remember too many cd's like MOP or human clay that you play from start to finish and not get sick of.

You personally, maybe. but msot people could even listen to three songs off of human cly without getting bored. To msot people--including me, these days--they all sound a LOT alike. MOP was decent, though.

yeah Weathered was a litle on the side of commercial, but it still had some good tunes, but was nowhere as good as the first two.

I still think Weathered was less commercial than HC. Weathered at least had bullets. HC had... nothing, really. What if, MAYBE, but even that was more radio friendly than bullets.

I have bought so many rock cd's that have one or two good songs and the rest sucked and creed was like a breath of fresh air when they came out.

There is no denying that rock sucks these days. The only difference is, you look at Creed as different from everyone else, I look at them as the same as everyone else.

so many bands Staind ,Limp bizkit, linkin park, bit off of creed's ideas its sickening how much stainds lead singer sound like stap when he sings...ughh.

Linkin Park bit off Creed? I abhor Linkin Park and wish they would dissappear, but even I would not say they copied off Creed. They sound NOTHING like Creed.

Yeah alot of people compare creed and pearl jam, but lets be serious Cred had way more success as a band than pear jam did and sounded nothing like them,

There you go again. Equating success with how good someone is. Who has had more success: Creed, or eminem? Holy crud its eminem, I guess he is better than Creed!

Also, denyign the similarites between PJ and Creed is dumb. Also, if it hadn't been for PJ there would never have BEEN A Creed so you better thank them. And its funny how one second you complain about Staind's singer sounding like Stapp, and ignore that Stapp just sound exactly like Eddie Vedder, except that Vedder is slightly more consistant.

mark is a way better guitarist

Sure as heck didn't show it often in Creed.

and Stapp wrote way better songs

Stapp only wrote lyrics, which barely count as "songs". Also, Stapp's lyrics were unoriginal and predictable. He is not a great songwriter at all.

to the point where Pearl jam was making remakes of songs just to sell records and now theyve dissapeared.'

Wow. Before, I thought you didn't know what you were talking about. Now I KNOW you don't know what you are talking about. Pearl Jam could be HUGE, and if they wanted to could hjave had a TON more success than Creed. But unlike Creed, they didn't sell out and go commercial to sell records. They actually *gasp* TRIED to stay out of the mainstream. Ever seen a PJ music vid? They have VERY FEW, and that is not just because they have stagefright.

Nowadays I crave listening to a creed or AB song because in my opinon there is noone out there that is better right now. Three doors down is a decent band and have some good songs.

You like 3DD too? Well geez.

Your right modern rock does kinda suck,

Indeed.

but I dont think that it creeds fault that evertone wanted to copy their sound and style.

Creed jsut copied other's styles. Creed did not invent alternative post-grunge.

I cant think of one good cd that has come close to comparing to MOP or Human Clay recently,

Foo Fighter's In Your Honor blows anything by Creed or AB out of the water. Audioslave's Out of Exile as well. OOE doesn't avoid all the cliches, but it has some unique stuff on there.

all the bands nowadays are one hit wonders..

Not exactly. Most bands make one song, get famous off of it, and then make song after song that sounds just like it. *couch* higher *cough*

And I have to apoligize, AB is one hell of a band for the time theyve been together, Myles has potential,

Myles IS the potential in that band. I have said it before and will again. Myles has more than half the talent in that band.

I just get aggervated when I tell people I like AB and they start laughing because they dont think the singers that good, I dont know...I guess Im confused.

And I get aggravated when people listen to rap all day long. People. People, people. If someone tells you that Myles is nto a very good singer, tell them to shut up and learn a little about singing. I HIGHLY doubt they know anything about it. Ask them if they have ever taken lessons, i they have ever trained their voice, or in general if they know ANYTHING about singing. THEY DON'T. I have not only dabbled in singing, but know quite a few people very serious about it, and they will all tell you, Myles completely blows away modern rock singers. Just because the stupid mainstream can't handle tenors does not mean they are not good. Myles is amazing.

[Dogstar]

... so many bands Staind ,Limp bizkit, linkin park, bit off of creed's ideas its sickening how much stainds lead singer sound like stap when he sings
Um, Aaron Lewis sounds nothing like Stapp, not even close

Yeah alot of people compare creed and pearl jam, but lets be serious Cred had way more success as a band than pear jam did
Um, no. Remember Ten? I just camped out all night for Pearl Jam tix in Philly. The show, probably 18,000 seats, sold out in 12 minutes. And PJ are still together and don't even need an album to go out on tour. Their live shows are incredible. Bands make most of their money from touring and merch sales, so in that respect, PJ far outranks Creed.

mark is a way better guitarist and Stapp wrote way better songs to the point where Pearl jam was making remakes of songs just to sell records and now theyve dissapeared.'
You obviously haven't listened to enough Pearl Jam to make that assessment. Eddie Vedder is one of the best rock lyricists EVER, IMHO. I love Creed, but Scott can't hold a candle to Eddie's writing. And no, Mark is not a better guitarist than Mike McCready, who never gets enough credit for his talent, not to mention the very capable Stone Gossard. Shredding isn't everything, but if you want to hear some kick-ass shredding, check out November Hotel from Mad Season, McCready's side project with AIC's Layne Staley.

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Um, Aaron Lewis sounds nothing like Stapp, not even close


Um, no. Remember Ten? I just camped out all night for Pearl Jam tix in Philly. The show, probably 18,000 seats, sold out in 12 minutes. And PJ are still together and don't even need an album to go out on tour. Their live shows are incredible. Bands make most of their money from touring and merch sales, so in that respect, PJ far outranks Creed.


You obviously haven't listened to enough Pearl Jam to make that assessment. Eddie Vedder is one of the best rock lyricists EVER, IMHO. I love Creed, but Scott can't hold a candle to Eddie's writing. And no, Mark is not a better guitarist than Mike McCready, who never gets enough credit for his talent, not to mention the very capable Stone Gossard. Shredding isn't everything, but if you want to hear some kick-ass shredding, check out November Hotel from Mad Season, McCready's side project with AIC's Layne Staley.


Tremonti Vs Mcready-
I own every pearl Jam Album and I must tell you listenening to Both Mcraery and Tremonti is cool but I feel that At Marks age and what he has accomplished so far lets me believe that he is the more talented of the two.Both are great guitarists, but Mark just blows me away with the finger picking and shredding, god only knows what hell be doing on the next album.

Secondly,
Scott Stapp vs Eddie Vedder-

Both do have a similar but unidentical sound, maybe on some of his tones.Like I said before I do have and listen to all the pearl jam albums and Im sorry but there was a serious drop off of writing by vedder from their first album to vitalogy...Clearly vitalogy wasnt even that great of a cd to begin with. I feel Stapp is a way better writer, you may feel different. About Vedder Being a better singer, uhhh I dont know, half the time you struggle trying to figure out what the heck he is saying while he sings, as where stapp is smooth and you can understand his every word.

Curious of input by others

[titan9]

I'd love to offer some input on the PJ/Creed discussion, but I haven't heard enough PJ to judge them as a band. I know they've probably influenced a lot more people than Creed has, though.

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Same here, I mean, I dont have enough knowledge of PJ music, even though I do like their songs I know. And about Stapp X Vedder, yes they have some vocal similarities. Not equal, however.Both have good voices and I think that you are right in that.Like you, I prefer Stapp's voice--and of course, in my opinion he's better singer than Vedder. His voice is real smoother compared to Eddie's voice that seems am little "roughy". But I have to admit that the instant that I listened to Creed on radio for the first time I thought it was Pearl Jam--and after this I was still confused about who 's who... :D

Also about Creed X PJ --I think its easy to realize waht was the most "consistent" band: one is still on the road and the other is dead, guy. ;)


Well, this is my opinion about the two guys, by the way, the last two times this topic came out --I had some "problems" here...lol :rolleyes: Not sure about the third one...

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Tremonti Vs Mcready-
I own every pearl Jam Album and I must tell you listenening to Both Mcraery and Tremonti is cool but I feel that At Marks age and what he has accomplished so far lets me believe that he is the more talented of the two.Both are great guitarists, but Mark just blows me away with the finger picking and shredding, god only knows what hell be doing on the next album.

Secondly,
Scott Stapp vs Eddie Vedder-

Both do have a similar but unidentical sound, maybe on some of his tones.Like I said before I do have and listen to all the pearl jam albums and Im sorry but there was a serious drop off of writing by vedder from their first album to vitalogy...Clearly vitalogy wasnt even that great of a cd to begin with. I feel Stapp is a way better writer, you may feel different. About Vedder Being a better singer, uhhh I dont know, half the time you struggle trying to figure out what the heck he is saying while he sings, as where stapp is smooth and you can understand his every word.

Curious of input by others

Never have liked PJ, so I didn't know the name of their guitarist was Mcready...lol. Don't own any of their cd's and the only songs I know are the ones they had on radio. So I'll have to go with Tremonti as the better guitarist.

Stapp and Vedder sound nothing alike to me. I've never gotten the two confused with each other either. Stapps voice is very clear, and the words are sharp, while Vedder sounds like he's singing around a wad of cotton stuck in his throat. All I've ever managed to understand from one song is..."Jeremy's spoken", and that's it...lol. There is a song that I do like though, and it came from a movie (can't remember the name of it) and I think it was called "Man of the Hour".

Not trying to be ugly about PJ, just never have cared for them much. Never have understood the comparision to Creed either. Imo, they sound totally different.

[ctfan]

Um, Aaron Lewis sounds nothing like Stapp, not even close

I agree, and I enjoy listening to Staind. :)

[Dogstar]

Both do have a similar but unidentical sound, maybe on some of his tones.Like I said before I do have and listen to all the pearl jam albums and Im sorry but there was a serious drop off of writing by vedder from their first album to vitalogy...Clearly vitalogy wasnt even that great of a cd to begin with.
Oh, my........I'm sorry, I can't take you seriously after that. Vitalogy is genius. You obviously don't get it.

[Dogstar]

Never have understood the comparision to Creed either. Imo, they sound totally different.

Agreed.