When oh when!

[RoffeDH]

I'm still a bit scared of his solo album not being what I hope. But still, when will it be out! If it ever will! When will the full page come up?

[Higher_Desire]

Last I heard it was supposed to be "Late February or late March." At least that's what Scott has said in interviews. Personally, I highly doubt it will be out anytime soon. I think that Creed DVD we were promised so long ago will come out first. Scott (nor anyone close to him) have given us an update in quite a few monts.


H-D :pimp:

[titan9]

I was just about to post this thread, because it's what I've been thinking. I've been patient and positive about Scott's solo career and CD, but even I am beginning to get a wee bit impatient. The lack of updates is frustrating, to say the least. I'm not even sure who is to blame for that anymore. I've been wanting to know more about the solo CD, so I even signed up for PBF's forums and have been checking those alot. They have said on PBF that Scott has been hard at work on a solo CD, putting in 10-12 hour days. As far as I can tell(and this is from PBF) Scott just finished(or is about to finish) the PRE-Recording stage, meaning the album is NOWHERE near completion. Which is mind boggling, when you think he's been working on this album for over a year. How can it take this long to finish a PRE-recording phase? That's my question. Did Scott have some songs completed, then decide to start over? Who knows. All these delays/changes are making alot of people question whether Scott will come out with a solo album. I know Scott will, but even I am beginning to get impatient. I know when Scott's solo album comes out, it will be good. I know that for a fact. But when will it be out? We need some news, some sort of update.

[LeftOfTheMurder]

First of all, I don't think the Creed DVD we were promised is ever going to come out. I think the most they will give us is what they already have - that shitty one that came with the Greatest Hits CD.

Secondly, pertaining to Scott, I don't know, man - I think that he's just putting things off because he can't write songs by himself. Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work. I don't know who did the music for Relearn Love, but i'm doubting it was Stapp. I just don't think he can compete. But trust me, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. All I'm saying is that it looks like Stapp is just putting this off. There hasn't been news for months. I thought he shot a vid for Relearn Love a few months ago? Where's that? Kinda strange....

[RMadd]

Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work.
if, by 'music,' you mean 'guitars, drums, etc', then yeah, Mark wrote all (or the vast majority) of it. lyrics, i always thought, were Scott's deal.

[titan9]

if, by 'music,' you mean 'guitars, drums, etc', then yeah, Mark wrote all (or the vast majority) of it. lyrics, i always thought, were Scott's deal.

So did I. Scott's working with Goneblind, so I'm assuming that they are doing the music, while Scott does the lyrics. Don't know for sure, though.

[The Lithium]

I've lost all faith on him... He've pissed me off too many times!

[Ana4Stapp]

News about Scott's CD? :confused:

News about Relearn Love video? :(

Full official website? :mad1:

But I'm still waiting ... :rolleyes:

[titan9]

So am I. Wind Up needs to at least give him a full site. A bio for the bio section wouldn't be that hard to type up. Wind-Up could easily give him a full site, and at least update the site. It's ridiculous.

[oooo]

scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future

[tremonti4life04]

well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)

[RoffeDH]

but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is.
What kind of music is it? Didn't know you did that? Have we hear of you?

Any way! I'm a bit pissed on Creed after I had read that Tremonti did most lyrics and stuff, they prettended to be "best of friends" in my oppinion, I never saw them live so I don't know how they were then, could only see them on TV and they seemed to be friends there... Man I'm dissapointed.

WE NEED PROOF SCOTT! SHOW US SOMETHING! A VIDEO? A NEW SINGEL!


AN ALBUM!!!

[Frankie]

NO ONE AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing.

Oh ye of little faith :silly: Don't ever assume that ^^^^

A little "proof" for now :D

http://www.johndthomas.com/

[TeriB19]

Oh ye of little faith :silly: Don't ever assume that ^^^^

A little "proof" for now :D

http://www.johndthomas.com/

What proof is that? It's the exact same quote Stapp used in his Kilborn and BDSSE interviews a year ago. The only new thing there is the person's name with whom he's associated. tremonti4life04 has a point, Wind-Up really needs to show more than a pic and a blurb about the guy Stapp's working with. If they don't want to lose whatever handful of fans that would STILL be interested in both Stapp's solo stuff and Alter Bridge, they'd better get some more info out there to the public before it's too late. His website would be a GREAT start.

[Frankie]

These three things are all brand new updates on JT's site as of Feb. 9th, 2005
Someone asked for some proof that Scott was working...this is all it is meant to be. I'm pretty sure JT's not making stuff up to make himself look good.

SCOTT STAPP Singer from CREED - Now in the process of recording his new solo album.


JT is helping Scott put together his dream studio mixing the best vintage gear and the the highest quality modern outboard gear and studio equipment available.

JOHN D THOMAS has worked in the following capacities:
Scott Stapp solo album recording engineer/studio gear consultant and buyer

And waiting for wind-up...is a don't hold your breath scenario at best.

[Steve]

Just a note: that news was on that site prior to Feb 9th...

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:y0cTg3Lc7AwJ:www.johndthomas.com/+&hl=en

I don't know how long it has been there, but it's not new as of Feb 9th.

[Frankie]

Steve...Just a note...
I have that site bookmarked and check it on a regular basis...
The parts I quoted...were BRAND NEW...when I posted the information at PBF on...oh wait..you're right...after double checking my post it was Feb. 7th...not the 9th.

SCOTT STAPP Singer from CREED - Now in the process of recording his new solo album.


JT is helping Scott put together his dream studio mixing the best vintage gear and the the highest quality modern outboard gear and studio equipment available.

JOHN D THOMAS has worked in the following capacities:
Scott Stapp solo album recording engineer/studio gear consultant and buyer

[titan9]

well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)

Yeah, I agree with what you said. We need updates. Surely Wind-Up can give us something. I do believe Scott is in the studio, but I'd still like some updates and news.

[Ana4Stapp]

scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future


Hey !Calm down! Scott's working hard on his cd. He has a great voice(IMO still the best of rock scenery) and he's going to surprise us on a positive way.
I still belive in this guy. ;)
In my opinion, Wind-Up is the real problem, 'cause the poor job on Scott website.
Go on Stappp!!!!! :stappchic

PS:Of course, I think AB has a very bright future too...

[Ana4Stapp]

First of all, I don't think the Creed DVD we were promised is ever going to come out. I think the most they will give us is what they already have - that shitty one that came with the Greatest Hits CD.

Secondly, pertaining to Scott, I don't know, man - I think that he's just putting things off because he can't write songs by himself. Honestly, we've never really seen that - Creed seemed to be mostly Tremonti's work. I don't know who did the music for Relearn Love, but i'm doubting it was Stapp. I just don't think he can compete. But trust me, I'd love for him to prove me wrong. All I'm saying is that it looks like Stapp is just putting this off. There hasn't been news for months. I thought he shot a vid for Relearn Love a few months ago? Where's that? Kinda strange....

First sentence: At this point, agreed. :(

Second one:Oh, C'mon! I cant believe it! Everibody knows that Scott wrote the most of the Creed's lyrics. No doubt.

[Dogstar]

well, oooo, i think that in due time, stapp will suprise us. He has pissed me off too, but im starting to write for my acoustic album, and i know how hard it is. Wind Up needs to get on the ball, pay a web designer to put in a few good hours (Hell, pay steve, look at this place!!!) And get some stuff moving, audio clips, behind the scenes, in the studio snap shots, just to let us know that stapp isnt just sitting around jerkin his gherkin, and place some of our lost faith in him back into us. I always come here for creed/alter bridge news, always have, because everyone here seems to know things 20 years before i do. Hell, i didnt know brian marshall got kicked outta the band until i saw the my sacrifice video (sad, but true). and i found out my info here. Its pretty bad when absolutly NO ONE HERE OR AT PBF knows what the hell hes doing. I mean, i could sit in my room and play video games and watch porn all day and say i am recording my new album, but sooner or later, someone is going to want proof. (BTW i dont sit in my room all day and play video games and watch porn, im recording my acoustic album...)

For Real. I mean, if this thing is totally in the works, there should be a web site, dammit.

[titan9]

For Real. I mean, if this thing is totally in the works, there should be a web site, dammit.

Yup. Even I could get up a decent site for Scott. They could easily hire someone to put it up in a couple of days. It wouldn't be that hard. It's frustrating that Wind-Up is not updating some of their artist sites. Big Dismal(who broke up in November) and 12 Stones haven't had a web site update in over 2 months. Pathetic. Stapp's is even worse. He hasn't had an update since October. Again, pathetic. Wind-Up can do better. And they should do better.

[RoffeDH]

Man! Okey! We all agree that Wind-Up is the problem, right? So can we leave it? Thank you... Now, SOME ONE OUT THERE MUST HAVE HEARD SOMETHING! Please... if I don't hear something new in, say a month! I will be realy dissapointed! Wind-Up needs to wind up their webpages :P (he he he... I hate my bad jokes)

[titan9]

Yup, I think we all agree on that.

[NeedforCreed]

Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?

[NeedforCreed]

Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?

Does someone else catch the comparison?

[Bridge of Clay]

hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Expect Wind-up to release Creed stuff every year, it's a gold mine.

[titan9]

hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Expect Wind-up to release Creed stuff every year, it's a gold mine.

I totally agree with that. As Wind-Up has shown(by releasing the Greatest Hits CD despite 3/4 of the band not liking the idea) they only care about the money. The GH has sold pretty well, and I'm sure Wind-Up wants to make even more money off of Creed. They'll do that, too, because there are enough people out there who are still willing to buy Creed stuff.

[tremonti4life04]

Yes, creed is still a goldmine, look at the **Cough**shitty**cough** Greatest Hits compilation. It sold extremely well. BUT, Nothing new, nothing we didnt know, absolutly nothing cool was on that cd. Even mark said in that one interview that he wished they could have waited so that they could have thrown some new things on there. What are they going to do next, release the "Not-So-Greatest-Hits" cd with all the songs that didnt make it on the air...Oops, shouldnt have said that out loud, Wind-Up scouts are probably visiting here higher than kites saying "Yeaaaa Mannnn, sounds like a good idea!"

[PrtytilImPurple]

scott stap will never make it on his own .he has a over inflated ego hes going to fade away .alter bridge on the other hand seems to have a very bright future

Man that's a gutsy statement. I'm not willing to stick my neck out until I've heard something. As much as people hate Stapp, you have to admit that for every chance that he will fail. There is that other chance that he will make it big. It's a 50/50 either way.

I'm not willing to make a statement like that. Because if the man actually proves himself it would make me look pretty foolish. I think I'll wait until I can form an opinion based on what I hear.

[Shadow]

hold on.

The DVD thing was held back because of the Chicago lawsuit. The 4 dorks appealed the first sentence Creed won, now they're claiming that the performance was below Creed standards. So it could be used as a prove. Once there's a final decision, Wind-up is free to release it again.

Marcos, just fyi, the lawsuit was completely closed July 2004.

[Bridge of Clay]

it did? I remember Creed won, so to say... but then the guys appealed... so the appeal is over too?! I know, that's whay you just said. But now I don't know if the appeal thing is true.

[shiver]

Could be like John Fogerty taking a hiatus for a numbr of years after CCR. Question is, after a certain amount of time, will Scott have enough of a fan base to be relevant?


John Fogerty rocks! Stapp, not so much. This thing is gonna end up like Chinese Democracy.

[titan9]

I hope it doesn't end up that way. I know when this album gets released, it'll be good stuff. It just needs to be released.

[tremonti4life04]

I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!

[uncertaindrumer]

I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!

Are you insane? Why do you think Tremo ditched Stapp? Yeah, thought so.


lol, I know, there is nothing wrong with dreaming.

[TeriB19]

I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!
I think the first part of your statement could possibly be truthful if he ever DOES come out with something new, but since we're not seeing anything new, it's hard to make that guess. And as for the last part? I wouldn't hold your breath. Stapp's not a fan of the guitar solo.

[aussiecreeder]

I can honestly see stapp being a new jim morrison, just by his influences and the way he is, he has that persona. As for the popularity of Morrison, i dont think that will happen, but i bet he will make some popular music, stuff that i can rip out on my guitar!! LET ME SHRED STAPP, LET ME SHRED!!!!

new JM? like dying at 27? too late.......

[titan9]

Stapp's not a fan of the guitar solo.

Which is the only thing I don't like about Stapp musically. I wish he liked the solo more. A song Stapp solo song with his vocals and a really good solo has the potential to be awesome.

Like you said, though, we need to see a CD from him first, before we can compare him to other artists. I think he will release the solo CD, I just don't know when at this point. It seems like the timeframe keeps changing. One thing is for sure, though: he needs to release that CD sooner rather than later. Not all fans are going to be patient.

[tremonti4life04]

well, windup records has him as a "Coming in 2005" artist, now, does that mean the year 2005 or "coming in 2005 years" honestly, i dont know. I believe that stapp wont have any fancy guitar work on the cd tho, look at creed...He had a guitarist that is considered to be one of the best guitarists of the 90's, and he didnt put him to work! Honestly, if mark tremonti was my guitarist, i would have him shred for 90% of the song, and me singing just 10%. If you look (technically) at the transition hes made from Weathered to One Day Remains, he takes a massive jump in difficulty between those years. Now, with creed, you could also tell a difference from My Own Prison to Weathered. Big difference. Yet still lacking solos, now on ODR, there are a bunch of them and they are extremely impressive solos, so i think that stapp had something to do with the lack of solos. So i believe that there isnt going to be too much fancy guitar work on stapps record, i just hope that be does a better job on that cd than he did with Relearn Love. Stapp is one hell of a singer/songwriter, and i would hate to see his career go down the shitter

[NeedforCreed]

well, windup records has him as a "Coming in 2005" artist, now, does that mean the year 2005 or "coming in 2005 years" honestly, i dont know. I believe that stapp wont have any fancy guitar work on the cd tho, look at creed...He had a guitarist that is considered to be one of the best guitarists of the 90's, and he didnt put him to work! Honestly, if mark tremonti was my guitarist, i would have him shred for 90% of the song, and me singing just 10%. If you look (technically) at the transition hes made from Weathered to One Day Remains, he takes a massive jump in difficulty between those years. Now, with creed, you could also tell a difference from My Own Prison to Weathered. Big difference. Yet still lacking solos, now on ODR, there are a bunch of them and they are extremely impressive solos, so i think that stapp had something to do with the lack of solos. So i believe that there isnt going to be too much fancy guitar work on stapps record, i just hope that be does a better job on that cd than he did with Relearn Love. Stapp is one hell of a singer/songwriter, and i would hate to see his career go down the shitter

Think you're right on top of things. Not one thing in that post that I didn't agree with. If I had Tremonti backing me, I would do maybe one ten minute song with something like six minutes of shred. I tell you one thing I was impressed with when I saw AB couple of months back was Phillips ability on drums. These are some talented musicians.

[titan9]

well, windup records has him as a "Coming in 2005" artist, now, does that mean the year 2005 or "coming in 2005 years" honestly, i dont know. I believe that stapp wont have any fancy guitar work on the cd tho, look at creed...He had a guitarist that is considered to be one of the best guitarists of the 90's, and he didnt put him to work! Honestly, if mark tremonti was my guitarist, i would have him shred for 90% of the song, and me singing just 10%. If you look (technically) at the transition hes made from Weathered to One Day Remains, he takes a massive jump in difficulty between those years. Now, with creed, you could also tell a difference from My Own Prison to Weathered. Big difference. Yet still lacking solos, now on ODR, there are a bunch of them and they are extremely impressive solos, so i think that stapp had something to do with the lack of solos. So i believe that there isnt going to be too much fancy guitar work on stapps record, i just hope that be does a better job on that cd than he did with Relearn Love. Stapp is one hell of a singer/songwriter, and i would hate to see his career go down the shitter

Yeah, I agree with that. Mark should have done a lot more soloing on HC and Weathered. It's really a shame that he didn't. I agree, I don't think that there will be fancy solos on Stapp's record(I say that mainly because I just don't think Goneblind is that good) but I know that the vocals and lyrics are going to be good, possibly great. I like Relearn Love(the more acoustic version of the song is a lot better than the album version) but I don't want all of Stapp's songs to sound like RL. I want to hear some aggressive stuff from Stapp; I want to hear a good mixture of songs. Mostly, I want to hear Rock, not the softer stuff.

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned, but Stapp is most likely going to be on Jamie Fox's new CD. I read an article on PBF(in the news section of the forums, which is visible to all) that said Stapp will be on the CD. I think that's interesting, but I don't like the idea. I think Stapp's only musical focus at this point should be his solo CD, not someone else's. Sure, it'll probably help Stapp some(for those Fox fans who buy the album and like Stapp's work on there) but, like I said, his main musical focus should be his solo CD.

[Frankie]

:rolleyes: If you check out the PBF web site news archives...you will see that this song with Jamie Foxx was a done deal way back in July of 2004...even before RL was released on the POTC.

[titan9]

Eh, so I got the dates mixed up a bit, lol. I thought I remembered hearing something about this back in 2004, but couldn't remember for sure. The point is, Stapp needs to get that solo CD out as a soon as possible. The delays/changing dates are not helping any, and that was my whole point.

[PrtytilImPurple]

Maybe CDs with 90% shredding and 10% singing don't make money. That's the record company's bottom line. If they invest their money in a project they want to see a profit from it.

Its not like the guy spent months writing a song for the Jamie Foxx CD. What I've read is that Jamie Foxx just happened to be working in the same studio and thats how they met. I'm interested in hearing what he contributed.

We don't know Stapp and don't know what he has going on in his life at the moment. Just lots of people choose to think that the delay is cause he can't get his shit together. But nobody really knows do they?

Hey. Maybe the release date will be August 10. A year to the day.

[tremonti4life04]

i think that we may see another alter bridge album before we see a scott stapp album. the pre recording being done means nothing, that means that they have all the equipment set up to start recording. I also believe that Stapp should have had his solo album halfway done when One Day Remains came out. Stapp may suprise us, and i really hope that this time is being used well on quality assurance, and not just partying (which, looks to me like what hes been doing a lot, check out the PBF boards and you will see what i mean) ODR came out in a flash, not even 4 months after we heard about the creed breakup, and it was high quality. I know that stapp has it in him to do the same, and i really wish that he would have.

[Frankie]

i really hope that this time is being used well on quality assurance, and not just partying (which, looks to me like what hes been doing a lot, check out the PBF boards and you will see what i mean)

Excuse me! I really wish when you reference PBF you would get your facts straight.
Scott has only been seen out twice since the beginning of the year...once on January 6th at a charity event - how dare he? and just about a month ago at the Nascar race in Vegas...and yes he was working that week-end too.

If you are referring to the PBF news forum...double check the dates :rolleyes:

[titan9]

I think the point that tremonti4life was trying to make is that Scott needs to get this album out sooner rather than later. Alter Bridge had their CD out TWO MONTHS after the break-up. They worked at a quick pace and made an excellent album, one that many people like, even those who hated Creed. Bottom line is, we're all anxious to see what Scott can do in his solo career. I'm personally patient; I'll buy that CD no matter if it's released in 2005 or 2015. But I realize that not all fans are going to be that patient. The longer people have to wait for this CD, the more impatient they get and then, finally, they don't care anymore. That has already happened to some Creed fans who were, when it was announced, looking forward to Scott's solo CD. Losing fans isn't good business for Scott or Wind-Up. That is why I think he needs to get that CD out soon.

As tremonti4life said, I hope that the reason this album has been delayed is quality assurance. I'd hate for Scott to come out with an unpolished album that stinks. I'm pretty confident, though, that Scott's album will be really good, whenever it is released. I just hope it's released soon.

[uncertaindrumer]

well, windup records has him as a "Coming in 2005" artist, now, does that mean the year 2005 or "coming in 2005 years" honestly, i dont know. I believe that stapp wont have any fancy guitar work on the cd tho, look at creed...He had a guitarist that is considered to be one of the best guitarists of the 90's, and he didnt put him to work! Honestly, if mark tremonti was my guitarist, i would have him shred for 90% of the song, and me singing just 10%. If you look (technically) at the transition hes made from Weathered to One Day Remains, he takes a massive jump in difficulty between those years. Now, with creed, you could also tell a difference from My Own Prison to Weathered. Big difference. Yet still lacking solos, now on ODR, there are a bunch of them and they are extremely impressive solos, so i think that stapp had something to do with the lack of solos. So i believe that there isnt going to be too much fancy guitar work on stapps record, i just hope that be does a better job on that cd than he did with Relearn Love. Stapp is one hell of a singer/songwriter, and i would hate to see his career go down the shitter

I agree with ALMOST all of that (I obviously disagree with the last sentence but to avoid any huge pointless arguments, I will not dwell on that, lol). Anyway, I DON'T think Tremonti took a big jump forward from MOP to Weathered. I think that at best he moved forward a little. Sure, you have Bullets on Weathered, but that is just one song. Other than that, Weathered is just full of a bunch of catchy melodic hooks that everyone writes--granted, Tremonti's are BETTER than everyone's, but they are still the same in principle. There is NOTHING on Weathered to challenge Pity for A Dime's solo, and only Bullets matches unforgiven's awesome riffs (although both bullets and Unforgiven are ridiculously Metallica sounding... lol)

But of course, I don't think this was Tremonti's fault. I just think he got pressured into writing radio friendly songs. Or maybe he just wrote them on his own accord, but as I have said before, that makes NO sense at all because if he WANTED to write a ton of radio friendly songs with no solos, why did he ever leave Creed? He wouldn't have.

Anyway, that is rather off-topic but I always have to get my two cents in.

As for Stapp's music... meh, couldn't really care what TYPE of music it is, but if it is a bunch of whiny radio ballads I will laugh my head off.

[Bridge of Clay]

2 months isn't accurate... 2 months after the break-up was announced, yeah... but the band was working since November (maybe even before that), got Myles in December and was officially born in Jan 02.

[titan9]

Yes, but the point was, the album was out within two months of the break-up officially being announced. I knew that they had been working on the CD for much longer than that, but was just saying that they put the CD out only a couple of months after the break-up was officially announced. I guess I didn't type that clearly enough. My bad.

[Bridge of Clay]

no problem, I know you meant that. I was just pointing it for those who don't know the history.

[uncertaindrumer]

Picky Picky. lol

[tremonti4life04]

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Excuse me! I really wish when you reference PBF you would get your facts straight.
Scott has only been seen out twice since the beginning of the year...once on January 6th at a charity event - how dare he? and just about a month ago at the Nascar race in Vegas...and yes he was working that week-end too.

If you are referring to the PBF news forum...double check the dates :rolleyes:

Well, why is it then that all i see are pictures of him strutting his "stuff" with supermodels at parties, and i dont see any pictures of him behind the scenes at the recording studio? I dont see any screenshots from new music videos. I dont hear any original music on my radio, I dont see him trying to do any new stuff on any tv appearances. Show me some of that, then ill believe half of what PBF has to say. As for the times hes been out...well, that is valuable studio time he could use to rectify himself in the eyes of his very very impatient fans that DONT SEE HIM AS A PSEUDO-GOD.

[uncertaindrumer]

Well, why is it then that all i see are pictures of him strutting his "stuff" with supermodels at parties, and i dont see any pictures of him behind the scenes at the recording studio? I dont see any screenshots from new music videos. I dont hear any original music on my radio, I dont see him trying to do any new stuff on any tv appearances. Show me some of that, then ill believe half of what PBF has to say. As for the times hes been out...well, that is valuable studio time he could use to rectify himself in the eyes of his very very impatient fans that DONT SEE HIM AS A PSEUDO-GOD.

*claps*

Well said.

[Frankie]

Do you want to show me one recent picture of Scott "stutting his stuff with super models at parties"? cause I'd sure like to see it.
If you don't want to believe things posted at PBF..simple...quit going there and quit posting it here, esp. if you can't get it right.
One more time...last update we had said album tentively scheduled for an August release date...that hasn't changed. Live with it or don't.

[tremonti4life04]

Do you want to show me one recent picture of Scott "stutting his stuff with super models at parties"? cause I'd sure like to see it.
If you don't want to believe things posted at PBF..simple...quit going there and quit posting it here, esp. if you can't get it right.
One more time...last update we had said album tentively scheduled for an August release date...that hasn't changed. Live with it or don't.


http://www.passionbreedsfollowers.com/photos/public/pandp.shtml

Need I say More?

[tremonti4life04]

Boy, ill tell ya what, i wish i had record producers that look like his!!! Those chicks are hot! I cant believe (if they are not models) that they would be helping him so much on his album!

[Frankie]

I said RECENT...all of those pictures are from last year...many from over a year ago...the most recent being the ones from the Touch Restaurant in November of 2004...which was, we believe, a party welcoming goneblind to the "family". So yeah...you need to say more.

[PrtytilImPurple]

Well, why is it then that all i see are pictures of him strutting his "stuff" with supermodels at parties, and i dont see any pictures of him behind the scenes at the recording studio? I dont see any screenshots from new music videos. I dont hear any original music on my radio, I dont see him trying to do any new stuff on any tv appearances. Show me some of that, then ill believe half of what PBF has to say. As for the times hes been out...well, that is valuable studio time he could use to rectify himself in the eyes of his very very impatient fans that DONT SEE HIM AS A PSEUDO-GOD.

Actually I think it was a charity event. Muscular Dystrophy or something like that. There were pictures of him with some of the kids there. Not just supermodels. And the Nascar outing I think that was actually related to his new music. He is supposed to shoot a commercial for them. Thats what I heard. Actually he may have alread filmed it. But then I guess if it isn't announced here first its not reliable information?

Just because everybody knew every move Alter Bridge made doesn't mean that Stapp does business that way. Even though some of his impatient fans may not like it. I'm not sure how much quality you would get if some dude is working more than 12 to 14 hours a day. You got to leave some time to eat sleep a couple hours and take a leak every so often. Pseudo-God. That made me chuckle.

[tremonti4life04]

Well damn, here, i thought for a minute that you had it split off into sections where parties and charities were different. I really do admire stapp for his charity work. However, dont try to rectify yourself by saying "That was last year" because he could have been writing his album last year, he knew creed was done for much longer than we did, so dont feed me that line.

[PrtytilImPurple]

Boy, ill tell ya what, i wish i had record producers that look like his!!! Those chicks are hot! I cant believe (if they are not models) that they would be helping him so much on his album!

Actually I think one of them is Miss America or something like that and the other one is Miss New York. The picture I saw they were actually wearing sashes.

You like to use the word RECTIFY don't you.

Would it upset you as much if Stapp was having a singalong with the New York Yankees?

[tremonti4life04]

Actually I think one of them is Miss America or something like that and the other one is Miss New York. The picture I saw they were actually wearing sashes.

Oh, exuse me, so he's out partying with pagent superstars...my mistake

You like to use the word RECTIFY don't you.

Yes, because its the base word for my favorite guitar amp, the Mesa Boogie Triple RECTIFIER (on a serious note, i use words that fit the situation, so if you are going to bust me for words that i use, well...supercalafragilisticexpialadocious

Would it upset you as much if Stapp was having a singalong with the New York Yankees?

Why would i care, i hate baseball. Ever since the strike in the early - mid 90's, so whatever he chooses to do with whatever baseball team really doesn't effect me. As long as his singalong isnt as flat as his singing at the world series, im perfectly fine with it...

[PrtytilImPurple]

Oh, exuse me, so he's out partying with pagent superstars...my mistake. Yes, because its the base word for my favorite guitar amp, the Mesa Boogie Triple RECTIFIER (on a serious note, i use words that fit the situation, so if you are going to bust me for words that i use, well...supercalafragilisticexpialadocious. Why would i care, i hate baseball. Ever since the strike in the early - mid 90's, so whatever he chooses to do with whatever baseball team really doesn't effect me. As long as his singalong isnt as flat as his singing at the world series, im perfectly fine with it...

You use the word rectify like Stapp owes you something. He's a musician. He's never personally done anything to me that he has to rectify. You didn't get the baseball comment.

I kind of like to look at it as Stapp actually did Alter Bridge a favor. They haven't had alot of success competing against a Creed Greatest Hits CD that has pretty much nothing new on it. What if they were also having to compete against Stapp's solo CD. I guess that alot of people actually wanted to see a CD selling war between Alter Bridge and Stapp. Because it has to be one pitted against the other, and everybody thinks Stapp will be the loser. Maybe people who insist that Mr. Stapp has lost his touch, and just can't get his shit together have it all wrong. Maybe by August/September the Alter Bridge train will have run its course. He let his ex buds have their year in the limelight, and pretty much kept his comments to himself or at least his comments weren't negative. Now Stapp gets his chance.

[RMadd]

You use the word rectify like Stapp owes you something. He's a musician. He's never personally done anything to me that he has to rectify. You didn't get the baseball comment.

I kind of like to look at it as Stapp actually did Alter Bridge a favor. They haven't had alot of success competing against a Creed Greatest Hits CD that has pretty much nothing new on it. What if they were also having to compete against Stapp's solo CD. I guess that alot of people actually wanted to see a CD selling war between Alter Bridge and Stapp. Because it has to be one pitted against the other, and everybody thinks Stapp will be the loser. Maybe people who insist that Mr. Stapp has lost his touch, and just can't get his shit together have it all wrong. Maybe by August/September the Alter Bridge train will have run its course. He let his ex buds have their year in the limelight, and pretty much kept his comments to himself or at least his comments weren't negative. Now Stapp gets his chance.
i respectfully, but wholeheartedly, disagree. he does owe us something. he's a musician. he makes money off of us buying tickets & CDs. i would say, if he had any kind of work ethic, he'd have his stuff out now, working to earn his keep. and a fair number of stapp's comments, though not necessarily negative, have been dismissed by Mr. Tremonti as being wholly untrue & unbased. so, maybe by august or september, the AB train will have run its course. but will Stapp have his album out by then? right now, the August date is only tentative. he's been promoting virtually nothing for the past year; Mark & Flip went out & moved on with their lives, got back to making music, which they missed. i'm not so sure Scott is as passionate about music anymore.

[OneOmerta]

i respectfully, but wholeheartedly, disagree. he does owe us something. he's a musician. he makes money off of us buying tickets & CDs. i would say, if he had any kind of work ethic, he'd have his stuff out now, working to earn his keep

I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with this statement above. He's a musician...not a laborer for some company he works for on the clock. He's not making money off of anyone right now...just like MOST musicians who are not touring or putting out new CD's at this time. He earned his "keep" with Creed....as I'm sure he will earn his "keep" as a solo artist.

Lemme ask you....do not think at all that WU has any say in the reason that Stapps solo effort is being pushed back? He does NOT call the shots on when it is released dude...WU will release the music when it is beneficial to THEM...not to the fans. It has nothing to do with work ethic...it's all about the Benjamins to the record label.

since when is work ethic based on how quickly one can push out music to the masses? that's what is wrong with most music these days...and why most music out there sounds like shit....people want everything "yesterday"...and they're willing to sacrifice quality for quantity. I prefer quality anyday...and not something forced out too quickly.

[RMadd]

well, he is prolly making a little bit of money off the Greatest Hits, dude. Passion of the Christ: Songs might be good for a little bit, as well.
i'm sure wind-up does have a say in pushing it back, but it's been quite some time, and he's had a couple of excuses: namely the whole depression thing. like others have said, millions of Americans work through rough spots in their lives.
you asked since when is work ethic is based on how quickly you can produce? my answer: that seems to me to be one of the basic tenets of capitalism. ok, you might prefer quality, but Creed has been broken up, according to rumors, for more than a year now, officially, for about 10 months? AB has already put out a decent recording effort (some like it more than others, obviously) and been on tour for a good 8 months now. stapp's put out one original song, gone through 2 bands (goneblind & the Tea Party didn't work out, right?).... soooo.....?????? while wind-up may be calling the shots, it's ridiculous that he doesn't assert himself. i'd think he might have some leverage, since he was the lead singer of the band that single-handedly established Wind-Up.

[PrtytilImPurple]

i respectfully, but wholeheartedly, disagree. he does owe us something. he's a musician. he makes money off of us buying tickets & CDs. i would say, if he had any kind of work ethic, he'd have his stuff out now, working to earn his keep. and a fair number of stapp's comments, though not necessarily negative, have been dismissed by Mr. Tremonti as being wholly untrue & unbased. so, maybe by august or september, the AB train will have run its course. but will Stapp have his album out by then? right now, the August date is only tentative. he's been promoting virtually nothing for the past year; Mark & Flip went out & moved on with their lives, got back to making music, which they missed. i'm not so sure Scott is as passionate about music anymore.

Funny thing is if we were talking about the fact that Alter Bridge had not released a CD people would be saying they are stinking rich and they don't have to do anything.

If I had spent almost two years on a tour where I was sick and forced to take drugs to make me able to perform ( just to keep the money rolling in)I think I'd be taking a good long break too.

So your talkinga bout the fact that he says he talks to Tremonti. Its just a given that its Stapp's lying. I get it. He has actually wished his ex-friends luck. I'm not sure I've heard any of them wish him the same. I don't even bother to read Alter Bridge interviews anymore because it is generally the same crap over and over again. Truth is nobody knows what Stapp has going on right now and nobody knows what may have had an effect in delaying anything. And like somebody else said Wind-Up has a bit to say about what is done and when. Mark Tremonti has figured that out too. I keep reading this comment about the fact that Windup is releasing Broken Wings to Top 40 minus the guitar solo. So I'm guessing Mr. Tremonti knows that Windup still has quite a bit of control.

If Scott Stapp were my mechanic and didn't fix my car he would owe me something. I don't really care when the man releases a CD because I know it will be out before the end of the year. I don't have to know exactly why it took so long to make it. Its none of my damn business actually.

[Dogstar]

Lemme ask you....do not think at all that WU has any say in the reason that Stapps solo effort is being pushed back? He does NOT call the shots on when it is released dude...WU will release the music when it is beneficial to THEM...not to the fans. It has nothing to do with work ethic...it's all about the Benjamins to the record label.


Two words for this: Chinese Democracy. Ok, more than two words :D. That label (whose name escapes me at the moment) has been waiting 10 years for Axl to get his shit together. The artist does, to some degree, call the shots. If he doesn't produce, there's nothing for the label to release when it think it's beneficial to it. No product, no release.

[tremonti4life04]

Ok, if wind up thinks they are gonna make a shitload of money on a stapp cd, they wouldnt think twice about holding it back for "Competitive reasons" they would put it out so that they could see both albums flourish and make them tons of money at the same time. Now, I use the word RECTIFY because hes holding out on everything thats going on with the album, and needs to update his fans in order to rectify himself to them, thats what im getting at prtytilimprple (spelling?). I don't honestly dont believe that competition will be a problem, because they are both from creed, and thats all that matters to the die hard creed fans. im not saying that i dont like stapp, just that i dont agree with him holding out on everyone, making us sit on the edge of our seats for a year for a damn update.

[Creed_Defaultgirl]

Scott should not have a life. I think most of you will agree with me on this. He should quit worrying about being a good father, getting healthy, having a life, taking the time he emotionally needs to make a quality record, and be in the studio focusing on what the wonderful loving "fans" (such as yourselves) want.
As for the times hes been out...well, that is valuable studio time he could use to rectify himself in the eyes of his very very impatient fans
Yeah dude! I know! If he would quit giving to charity, caring for human life, his family, his son, HIS FAITH, and music that means something *cough* we would have a record by now!

[titan9]

Oh, I agree, Scott should(and did) take time out to deal with personal issues. That is the most important thing in his life, as it should be. But if you're going to do that and take some time to sort things out, don't promise an album by the end of 2004. Don't promise one by February 2005. Just say that a solo album will be out. An example: What if I promised(and kept repeatedly saying) that I would put up a bunch of downloadable content on 12 Stones Rocks(the fan site I help run) by the end of this month, yet didn't do that and kept delaying that promise? I bet those who badly wanted that content would be frustrated and, eventually, stop going to 12 Stones Rocks. It's the same exact thing here. Those who were looking forward to the solo album by the end of 2004 or, at the latest, early 2005, have gotten frustrated. I'm not one of those people; I can wait until 2025 for a solo CD from Stapp. Not everyone is that patient, though. No one is saying that Stapp shouldn't have a personal life or that he should just ignore his health, family and faith. All they're saying is that he promised an album by the end of 2004, then didn't deliver on that promise. Whether it was due to personal problems or recording issues, he didn't deliver by the time that he promised. Nor did he give us updates to tell us why the album was not put out by the promised time. I don't want this to come across as me bashing Scott, because I am not. I'm a huge supporter of his music and will buy his CD the day it comes out. All I'm doing is pointing out some of the reasons why some people have gotten so frustrated with all of the delays on when the CD will be out.

[uncertaindrumer]

Wow. Very nice post. But, umm, PLEASE, some paragraphs? lol, I'm just messing with you.

I just want to point out that plenty of other bands have four, five, even SIX members with personal issues and they still manage to get records out. Is Stapp exempt from this for some reason?

[RMadd]

Man, Titan & Uncertain, i just don't think people are understanding what we're trying to say here. yes, Stappy should have a personal life. but he's got a job, too. i'm not sure if Target would be too happy if I just decided I'd promise to show up for work, but then I'd end up not coming in, without calling. What if my reason was I was spending time w/ family & friends? That might be true, but it's irresponsible towards my employer to leave them hanging like that. That said, I'd be gone after failing to show up prolly only 3 or 4 days.
So, at least IMO, if Stapp makes promises he doesn't keep, should he be exempt from complaints from those who essentially employ him (music fans, through the music industry)? i would think not. that's fine if you stick up for Scotty, but please realize that there are those of us who are not particularly enamored with his actions/decisions/etc the past few years.

[titan9]

Wow. Very nice post. But, umm, PLEASE, some paragraphs? lol, I'm just messing with you.


Lol! Usually I do paragraph my posts more, but I didn't think I should break that up at all. I definitely didn't set out for it to be that long, but it just came out that way.

Yeah, RMadd, I don't think everyone is understanding you guys, either. The whole point of my post(like yours) was to say that no one is saying that Scott should not have a personal life. All you guys are saying is that he promised something at a certain time then didn't deliver on that promise. Whether it was due to personal or professional matters, he didn't deliver. That's the bottom line.

[tremonti4life04]

Man, Titan & Uncertain, i just don't think people are understanding what we're trying to say here. yes, Stappy should have a personal life. but he's got a job, too. i'm not sure if Target would be too happy if I just decided I'd promise to show up for work, but then I'd end up not coming in, without calling. What if my reason was I was spending time w/ family & friends? That might be true, but it's irresponsible towards my employer to leave them hanging like that. That said, I'd be gone after failing to show up prolly only 3 or 4 days.
So, at least IMO, if Stapp makes promises he doesn't keep, should he be exempt from complaints from those who essentially employ him (music fans, through the music industry)? i would think not. that's fine if you stick up for Scotty, but please realize that there are those of us who are not particularly enamored with his actions/decisions/etc the past few years.


I have to say that i APPLAUD that analogy. That summed it up, and i wish i would have thought of something that clever, but i dont have a job right now....Awesome way of putting it RMadd