I Miss Creed!!!!!!!

[HigherGirl]

I'm so sorry Steve!!!
I know you don't like the dorky, meaningless threads, :confused: But I had to get this out!! I drive to work every day listening to Creed, and I miss them.
I am having a moment.... :crying:

Ok, I'm better!!!!! :)

[Ana4Stapp]

I miss them too....


:smileyban


when you are with me
I'm free...
I'm careless...
I believe...

[jammy123]

me too.....

[uncertaindrumer]

I don't.

[The Lithium]

I guess I miss 'em too. But still; ALTER BRIDGE!!!

[Trimontana]

ALTER BRIDGE!!!!!
I Like to see Marshall Back and see they 4 so happy :D

[The Lithium]

Yeah, Alter Bridge is a happy band! "It's all about the fun" --Mark

[Agent D]

I was rockin' out to Higher while I was driving home from classes today...had the stereo blaring. Yeah...they really were an awesome band. But their music will exist forever and Alter Bridge is more than wicked. :D

[Chase]

I found myself listening to Creed today and was remembering the two amazing concerts I saw of them. I miss them too.

[NeedforCreed]

Second that on missing them. I might have to buy a second copy of MOP in case I wear the first one out.

[titan9]

I miss them, but I'm glad that now we'll be getting twice the amount of great music.:D Alter Bridge already delivered on that end, and hopefully Stapp will, too.

[Scotts Angel]

Yeah, I miss Creed too. I still listen to their music all the time. I must say I miss SCOTT the most. I will miss the really awesome shows they put on. :(

[StappsSaviour]

yea ill say most Creed fans will miss them and yea i miss scott 2! :( its really sad how they kicked him out tho! well not really but they left him by himself.... but Marks guitar licks are the best iv ever heard him! they are way better now hes in Alter Bridge... i guess now that he doesnt av Scott limiting his talents he can do what he wants! Afterall, he did write most of Alter Bridge's songs! I ove Mark! Hes my Idol! lolz

[DekWannaBFlea]

Move on.

[uncertaindrumer]

Move on.

123

We now have a band with more talent than Creed and better music. Just let Creed rest in relative peace.

[titan9]

Move on.

You know, just because you prefer Alter Bridge, it doesn't mean that others can't miss Creed.

[Mulletman]

Exactly. If you have nothing to say, dont bother. I dont like Alter Bridge and I've made that public, but just because I cant stand them doesnt mean that I am going into the AB threads and start running my mouth. Drop it or go away.

[RMadd]

yeah, I agree w/ Al & Titan. Don't start spreading shit in here. I'm an AB fan, but just b/c of that, it doesn't mean I can't miss Creed & I certainly have no intentions of starting shit just b/c of that.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Bands break up, its a fact, listen to the wonderful music they gave us, and move on. Who said i was trying to start something? Did I say to go listen to AB? I miss creed once in a while too, but pondering upon it to long makes things worse, generally. I miss RATM too, but i don't sit there and ponder, i move on.

[titan9]

Yeah, bands break up. Nobody is denying that. All we've said is that there are some(both fans who like Alter Bridge and those who do not) that miss Creed. I love the music that Alter Bridge has given us, and I'm sure I'll love the music that Stapp gives us. But does that mean that I don't miss Creed? No. I miss them, because they were an awesome band. People have a right to miss Creed. You can call that "hanging on the past" or "pondering it" but people still have a right to say they miss Creed. Do I dwell on Creed's break up? No. It's happened. But I still miss the music, and it's sad to think we're never going to get new music from those four guys, united as a band, again. We'll still get awesome music from Alter Bridge, we'll still get awesome music from Stapp(hopefully) but there are those who, no matter what the outcome, will miss Creed. It's only natural to miss your favorite band if they've broken up.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Yeah, bands break up. Nobody is denying that. All we've said is that there are some(both fans who like Alter Bridge and those who do not) that miss Creed. I love the music that Alter Bridge has given us, and I'm sure I'll love the music that Stapp gives us. But does that mean that I don't miss Creed? No. I miss them, because they were an awesome band. People have a right to miss Creed. You can call that "hanging on the past" or "pondering it" but people still have a right to say they miss Creed. Do I dwell on Creed's break up? No. It's happened. But I still miss the music, and it's sad to think we're never going to get new music from those four guys, united as a band, again. We'll still get awesome music from Alter Bridge, we'll still get awesome music from Stapp(hopefully) but there are those who, no matter what the outcome, will miss Creed. It's only natural to miss your favorite band if they've broken up.


Too each his own then, i was mistaken to say move on. But IMO generally the best way to deal with a break up is to not dwell on it. But to find other music that can fill that void. I did, and i am happy i did.

[titan9]

Yes, I agree, you shouldn't dwell upon it too much. But that goes for alot of things, not just bands breaking up. Like you said, it's a good thing to find music to fill the void, however, you still can't completely fill that void. Or at least quite a few people can't.(me included) You're still going to miss that band, particularly if they were your favorite band. You can find other bands to listen to, but you'll still have a void that really can't be completely filled. That's good to hear that you've found something to fill that void, though.

[RMadd]

Too each his own then, i was mistaken to say move on. But IMO generally the best way to deal with a break up is to not dwell on it. But to find other music that can fill that void. I did, and i am happy i did.
i agree w/ you. but you (and others) need not come into the Creed Talk threads if all you're gonna do is bash Creed and, namely, Stapp. You might not like it that people haven't moved on, but just accept the fact that they haven't and that, as you say, it is a case of 'to each his own.' I'm sure people feel attacked at times, most certainly when others who proclaim themselves to have moved on and tell them to do the same. It's quite condescending.

[AndrewFromABRox]

I was listening to MOP today and I like CReed a heck of a lot, but Alter Bridge rocks my world right now.

[Ana4Stapp]

123

We now have a band with more talent than Creed and better music. Just let Creed rest in relative peace.


I really don't understand why you are here! Stop to bashing CREED and specially SCOTT STAPP. If you don't like Creed and prefer AB, okay, but there's a lot of people here that love Creed. No one here is bashing Alter Bridge, so stop to bashing Creed/Stapp. This is a comunity of CREED fans. Don't you know this? Creed 's 4EVER!!!
We are one,
We are strong,
the more you hold us down
the more we press on...

[RMadd]

We are one,
We are strong,
the more you hold us down
the more we press on
...el yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[uncertaindrumer]

I really don't understand why you are here! Stop to bashing CREED and specially SCOTT STAPP. If you don't like Creed and prefer AB, okay, but there's a lot of people here that love Creed. No one here is bashing Alter Bridge, so stop to bashing Creed/Stapp. This is a comunity of CREED fans. Don't you know this? Creed 's 4EVER!!!
We are one,
We are strong,
the more you hold us down
the more we press on...

Calm down. I liked Creed. I still like Creed. I was most certainly not bashing Creed. I think Creed put out a great album (MOP), and also put out some good songs on their other albums. I wasn't saying Creed sucked or anything like that, just that now we have Alter Bridge who is even better than Creed. That isn't bashing Creed. I know Creed was most people's (on this site, I mean) favorite band, I just don't see why we can't enjoy what came out of it and move on.

I mean, for all intensive purposes, Creed breaking up seems like a GREAT thing for Creed fans. I mean, now you get two for the price of one. Alter Bridge rocks, and if you liked Stapp, I guess you will probably like what he comes out with, hence you get twice as many songs. Plus, Creed was collapsing under their own weight and would have probably come out with a sub-par album anyway had they continued.

And I have not bashed Stapp. I would tell anyone who asks that I don't like him, but I have never gone onto any Creed or Stapp message board just to bash him. Saying you don't like someone is entirely different from bashing him. If I were to say "I don't like Green Day", that would be different than saying "Green Day are the suckzors, they make crappy music, everything sounds the same, they are such posers". In the same way, I have said I don't like Stapp but I have never bashed him on a board full of Stapp fans. In fact I have said I think he has a good voice and, some of the time, good lyrics.

You may not understand this, but while this is a Creed message board, it is also a MESSAGE BOARD. Someone says they miss Creed and I say why, we now have another great (better, IMO) band. Plus, Stapp fans even get him as well. There is not a problem with that. What I have said is in no way rude and is not out of line. If I have a differing opinion and I state it respectfully, for you to claim that I am being ridiculous is even worse.

I like Creed, so I come to a Creed board. Just because I don't WORSHIP them doesn't mean I can't come here. There were a lot of things about Creed that (*GASP*) were not perfect. In fact, there were quite a few things. There is no problem with mentioning those things. No band is perfect and to claim they are is ridiculous. Creed definitely was not perfect and just because this is a Creed board doesn't mean it is taboo to possibly acknowledge that.

I would have abslutely no problem if someone mentioned AB's flaws on an AB message board as logn as they weren't horribly rude. And if they even LIKED AB than I DEFINITELY wouldn't have any problem. If they want to say that Alter Bridge needs to stop being so predictable (verse/chorus/verse/chorus/interlude/solo/chorus), that is perfectly fine. If they want to say that some of the songs sound alike, fine by me. It's their opinion, and if they state it without being rude, then so be it. Heck, it might even (amazingly) stimulate an interesting conversation.

But all of this is MEANLINGLESS because I never even bashed CREED! I merely said let them rest in relative peace, as we now have a better band. There is nothing wrong with that. Bands come to an end. We got luckier than most and got a great band and possibly Stapp's "solo career" if he ever decides to get to work.

I really don't see what your problem is.

[Ana4Stapp]

:o

Sorry guy,

It was not my intention to be rude with you, but I'm a little sick of people bashing Creed and much more, Stapp. In my opinion they were an awesome band.This is the point.

[Mr.CreedFreakTN]

I've been listening to Creed alot here lately. AlterBridge has their place don't get me wrong, I think Myles is extremely talented and has an awesome voice, but they will never be as big as Creed. I like Alterbridge's music but it doesn't stick with me like Creed's music. Another thing I've been pondering as a former front man back in the day any song I wrote to me was like my child, not to be able to perform my music is like taking my kids away. If I were Mark and Flip and Brian I would miss my Creed songs, I couldn't just say I'm never going to play that again, After all that is why everyone knows who you are in the first place. For those of you who are going to bash me , go ahead.

[HigherGirl]

Ok, No more Creed bashing.....

Isn't CREED the reason we are all joined together here today????????????????????????

[Mulletman]

I thought it was for the nookie?

[HigherGirl]

:nutty:

[RMadd]

I thought it was for the nookie?
man, that's what's kept me here so long

















i wish.......

[crest tattoo]

Great, I was really hoping it was just me, but I see that others are missing Creed too. I think it's the spring fever. Something about this time of year reminds me of windows rolled down with LOUD music. I think when you live in the Midwest, it's called de-thawing your brain.
I do really, really miss Creed though. Not saying I don't like AB. I really do, but I'll always be a Creed fan first. :D

[titan9]

Yesterday I heard Creed twice on the radio.(My Sacrifice and WTLF) That's rare nowadays, but it was great to hear those songs again. As much as I love Alter Bridge, I still miss Creed.

[scrit]

Yes, creed was and is my favorite band. But now alterbridge is my second favorite, and who knows what stapp's stuff will be like. Plus Alter bridge allowed me to discover other great bands like the mayfield four, and submersed since they toured with them. I probably would never have known about those bands had it not been for alterbridge. But still I reeeeaaaally miss creed.

[crest tattoo]

That voice, Stapp's, it's so soothing. I admit, I wasn't a huge fan of Myles at first. It was the live concert that changed that, and I really like Myles and his personality. He's a great performer! I don't want AB to fail, but I want Creed to come back :confused: :confused: :confused:

[NeedforCreed]

Wow, the local stations here have been playing the hell out of Creed this weekend! Even playing a double shot at times. Took me back to the time when I first started getting into Creed and got hooked on them. Too bad we can't have AB and Creed both.

[Ana4Stapp]

Wednesday I saw Creed - (My Sacrifice -video) on a local TV program and I realized even though I really love AB and Stapp (hope for his best) I miss Creed so much... :( as for Creed come back :it has no chance whatever...

[crest tattoo]

I agree totally with you. I wish we could have both, because I am so enjoying Myles now too. But Scott's voice is incredible. I can't wait till his single comes out.

[Johnnynips]

123

We now have a band with more talent than Creed and better music. Just let Creed rest in relative peace.
Just a quick response...I love creed and respect Tremonti totally, but you need to give it up, One day remains was good but not one song on that CD could touch any creed song, creed was a band that blew everyone else out of the water with their emotional yet rock out songs....Myles kennedy ruins the whole experience of one day remains with his rick springfield imitation sound..lol long live Stapp and the band the was one of the greats....

[titan9]

I agree totally with you. I wish we could have both, because I am so enjoying Myles now too. But Scott's voice is incredible. I can't wait till his single comes out.

Yeah, it took me a while to warm up to Myles. It was just so different hearing someone else sing with Mark's guitar playing. At first, I did not like Myles. But as I listened to ODR more and more, Myles' vocal ability just grew on me. It grew on me to the point that now I like him and Stapp equally, which definitely wasn't the case six months ago. Myles just has incredible range, and from the limited live stuff I have seen/heard, he sounds just as great live and is also pretty charismatic.

[TeriB19]

Myles kennedy ruins the whole experience of one day remains with his rick springfield imitation sound..
Are we listening to the same singer? :confused:

[Johnnynips]

Are we listening to the same singer? :confused:
I meant the typical 80's singer with the ooohs ahhhhs, maybe if he didn't do those gay little things he wouldn't be half bad, but lets be serious the song writing ability isn't there..furthermore if you really listen to the lyrics most of the songs are the band taking shots at a certain former lead singer. I like alter bridge, you however cannot put them on the same plateau as creed, as this would be insane...plus they sold a total of 500,000 records as where creed sold about 45,000,000. Enought said , for the time being until a reunion happens i am happy to listen to the awesome guitar playing that I have always enjoyed.

[Dogstar]

plus they sold a total of 500,000 records as where creed sold about 45,000,000

Once again, sales do not equal quality.

[Johnnynips]

Better quality product?, where do you get that from. I saw Bridge on Leno and Kennedy couldn't even sing a song without his voice breaking up. I am sorry if your into 80's bands kennedy would be the perfect lead singer, but thia is the year 2005, noone wants to hear a guy who has a horrible voice, try to fill in for one of the best lead singers of all time..Personally you think mark would have asked david draman of disturbed to sing on his album, at least it would have appealed to a lot more people.Honestly myles kennedy should still be singing for steel dragon in Rockstar, at least his voice fit for 70's and 80's rock. The thing that made creed such a success was that people could relate to their lyrics and music which moved so many millions of fans. I believe that it will only be a matter of time before mark realizes that he needs to reunite

[crest tattoo]

Jnips, have you seen them live? I wasn't crazy about Myles at first either, but he is one hell of a performer. He lights up a room. Personally, I think Creed was mostly about Scott, but I think AB is mostly about Mark. Either way, enjoy what is comfortable to you. Are you still a Creed fan? Otherwise, and I don't mean this rudely, but why are you here?
BTW, I do agree about there being hits on Scott here and there.

[uncertaindrumer]

Better quality product?, where do you get that from. I saw Bridge on Leno and Kennedy couldn't even sing a song without his voice breaking up. I am sorry if your into 80's bands kennedy would be the perfect lead singer, but thia is the year 2005, noone wants to hear a guy who has a horrible voice, try to fill in for one of the best lead singers of all time..Personally you think mark would have asked david draman of disturbed to sing on his album, at least it would have appealed to a lot more people.Honestly myles kennedy should still be singing for steel dragon in Rockstar, at least his voice fit for 70's and 80's rock. The thing that made creed such a success was that people could relate to their lyrics and music which moved so many millions of fans. I believe that it will only be a matter of time before mark realizes that he needs to reunite

You. Are. The. Biggest. Friggin. Idiot. Ever.

First, modern rock SUCKS. I can switch nickleback with 3 doors down, with puddle of mudd, with Creed, with hoobastank, and never be able to tell the freaking difference. I don't CARE if a bunch of thirteen year old girls were touched by Creed's music, that doesn't make Scott Stapp a great singer and vocalist.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about singing can tell you that Myles Kennedy blows Scott Stapp out of the water, by a LONGSHOT. Stapp has an INCREDIBLY average voice, certainly nothing special by ANY standards. Myles has one of the best voices to ever hit Rock and roll, and by far the best voice in modern rock.

Scott Stapp was DEFINITELY not one of the "best lead singers of all time", and even a die hard Creedfan would have to be on crack to say that. You can argue for his front man ability, his stage presence, or whatever, but his VOICE is by no means ANYTHING special.

And LOTS of people are smart enoguh to realize that Myles has got an incredible voice, you apparently not included. Your ridiculous generalization that no one wants to hear a guy from the eighties is ridiculous. Myles Kennedy sounds a lot like Chris Cornell, who is one of the most beloved signer of the nineties and early 00's.

Mark was not trying to APPEAL to a bunch of whiny no-nothing's like you when he picked Myles, he wanted the BEST SINGER POSSIBLE, and he GOT him. Your ignorance on issues of voice is so overbearing its unbelievable.

Creed will not get back togther because Mark doesn't want to "move" the masses of musically ignorant dopes like yourself. He wants to rock out, and without Stapp being the piece of junk that he is, Mark can finally do that.

Shut your mouth because you obviously know NOTHING about music. By your logic, Ashlee Simpson is a great singer with lots of talent because she is such a fiscal success and "millions" (of teenage girls) are "moved" by her.

Sorry for the rant, to all those wh apply (titan 9, BoC, Ana, etc.) but I could not listen to that garbage without getting upset.

[uncertaindrumer]

I meant the typical 80's singer with the ooohs ahhhhs, maybe if he didn't do those gay little things he wouldn't be half bad, but lets be serious the song writing ability isn't there..furthermore if you really listen to the lyrics most of the songs are the band taking shots at a certain former lead singer. I like alter bridge, you however cannot put them on the same plateau as creed, as this would be insane...plus they sold a total of 500,000 records as where creed sold about 45,000,000. Enought said , for the time being until a reunion happens i am happy to listen to the awesome guitar playing that I have always enjoyed.


You continue your ignorance. Guess who wrote the songs? MARK TREMONTI. It was not Myles Kennedy.

Creed was not a great band. They were an alternative rock post grunge band that sold millions of records. SO? Lots of bands do that. Heavy on the power chords, with boring throaty baritone voices, and very little musical complexity (because people like you, who buy records, can't HANDLE musical complexity apparently), but Creed was nothing special. I like MOP, I like select tracks from the other albums, but they were just another radio friendly band making the almighty buck with a singer whose ego was the size of the moon.

Alter Bridge has better drums, better guitar, better bass, MUCH better vocals, and better lyrics, although the lyrics are subjective. Indeed, putting Creed on the same plateau as AB would be downright sickening, as Creed belongs nowhere NEAR the level of Alter Bridge.

[GregS]

I miss Creed alot seeing as their my favourite band of all time but.. 2 good things have come out of them splitting.. ALter Bridge & Stapps solo carrer so its all good :D

[NeedforCreed]

You. Are. The. Biggest. Friggin. Idiot. Ever.

First, modern rock SUCKS. I can switch nickleback with 3 doors down, with puddle of mudd, with Creed, with hoobastank, and never be able to tell the freaking difference. I don't CARE if a bunch of thirteen year old girls were touched by Creed's music, that doesn't make Scott Stapp a great singer and vocalist.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about singing can tell you that Myles Kennedy blows Scott Stapp out of the water, by a LONGSHOT. Stapp has an INCREDIBLY average voice, certainly nothing special by ANY standards. Myles has one of the best voices to ever hit Rock and roll, and by far the best voice in modern rock.

Scott Stapp was DEFINITELY not one of the "best lead singers of all time", and even a die hard Creedfan would have to be on crack to say that. You can argue for his front man ability, his stage presence, or whatever, but his VOICE is by no means ANYTHING special.

And LOTS of people are smart enoguh to realize that Myles has got an incredible voice, you apparently not included. Your ridiculous generalization that no one wants to hear a guy from the eighties is ridiculous. Myles Kennedy sounds a lot like Chris Cornell, who is one of the most beloved signer of the nineties and early 00's.

Mark was not trying to APPEAL to a bunch of whiny no-nothing's like you when he picked Myles, he wanted the BEST SINGER POSSIBLE, and he GOT him. Your ignorance on issues of voice is so overbearing its unbelievable.

Creed will not get back togther because Mark doesn't want to "move" the masses of musically ignorant dopes like yourself. He wants to rock out, and without Stapp being the piece of junk that he is, Mark can finally do that.

Shut your mouth because you obviously know NOTHING about music. By your logic, Ashlee Simpson is a great singer with lots of talent because she is such a fiscal success and "millions" (of teenage girls) are "moved" by her.

Sorry for the rant, to all those wh apply (titan 9, BoC, Ana, etc.) but I could not listen to that garbage without getting upset.

Have one question. How can you talk so much trash about Creed and have MOP as your favorite album. Think you lost me way back on that post. Meaning I'm a huge AB fan. Saw em couple of months ago and it no doubt was the best, but how can you trash Creed, mostly Stapp, granted, and back AB, which is 3/4 Creed?

[Johnnynips]

I totally agree if I hear one more negative comment about one of the greatest bands ever or a comparison to allter bridge I'm going to be sick...Alterbridge is no creed first and foremost. Second anyone else in here totally feel that Kennedy ruins the whole Alterbridge experience can I get a hell yeah...

[Dogstar]

Ummm, no...and if you don't want the comparisons, I suggest finding another board because they have and will continue to be made. It's the nature of the beast :D.

[Johnnynips]

"First, modern rock SUCKS. I can switch nickleback with 3 doors down, with puddle of mudd, with Creed, with hoobastank, and never be able to tell the freaking difference. I don't CARE if a bunch of thirteen year old girls were touched by Creed's music, that doesn't make Scott Stapp a great singer and vocalist"

First of all buddy this is a creed website...Secondly I have followed the band since the begining and listen to their music everyday and I do understand..and your wrong buddy because in an interview Mark praised Kennedy's songwriting ability...It was more of a collaboration than Mark writing everything. Finally that whole post grundge theory is garbage, I think most would agree that CREED blew the doors off all of the competition during their run, and if you think that for a second that this lead singer has more talent you are truly clueless. When together Creed had the swagger and touch that only a few did. I guess you have shown your ignorance in that you prefer garbage 80's sound with awesome guitar and drums...Maybe you should take your act to the Myles kennedy Fansite and blow him a little bit... oh and to end this for good when the remaining Doors, one of the greatest rock bands ever gave praise to Creed as being one of the best bands they had seen or heard I would believe those guys over some uncertain drummer...Ps...If you want heavy garbage sound try listening to some Pantera... oH YEAH ONE MORE THING AL THOSE BANDS YOU MENTIONED NICKLEBACK..THREE DOORS...THEY ALL COPIED CREEDS STYLE...WAKE UP..Find the real

[Johnnynips]

One last thing, I mean no disrespect to the other members who are fans of alterbridge, I like them ..I bought the cd and have seen them in concert..in Connecticut...It just gets me a little aggervated that some people have this thing against Stapp when he has not said or done anything negative since the breakup...Bridge has been firing the bullets and regardless...Creeds music lives on , I hear it everyday on the radio...Station after station..modern rock, classic rock, ect...One thing is for sure we don't need music fans like uncertaindrummer ruining the memories...Alter bridge rocks but I prefer creed...So sorry If I offended any bridge fans out their...they still rock.

[uncertaindrumer]

"First, modern rock SUCKS. I can switch nickleback with 3 doors down, with puddle of mudd, with Creed, with hoobastank, and never be able to tell the freaking difference. I don't CARE if a bunch of thirteen year old girls were touched by Creed's music, that doesn't make Scott Stapp a great singer and vocalist"

First of all buddy this is a creed website...Secondly I have followed the band since the begining and listen to their music everyday and I do understand..and your wrong buddy because in an interview Mark praised Kennedy's songwriting ability...It was more of a collaboration than Mark writing everything. Finally that whole post grundge theory is garbage, I think most would agree that CREED blew the doors off all of the competition during their run, and if you think that for a second that this lead singer has more talent you are truly clueless. When together Creed had the swagger and touch that only a few did. I guess you have shown your ignorance in that you prefer garbage 80's sound with awesome guitar and drums...Maybe you should take your act to the Myles kennedy Fansite and blow him a little bit... oh and to end this for good when the remaining Doors, one of the greatest rock bands ever gave praise to Creed as being one of the best bands they had seen or heard I would believe those guys over some uncertain drummer...Ps...If you want heavy garbage sound try listening to some Pantera... oH YEAH ONE MORE THING AL THOSE BANDS YOU MENTIONED NICKLEBACK..THREE DOORS...THEY ALL COPIED CREEDS STYLE...WAKE UP..Find the real

Most would NOT agree Creed blew the other bands away. Most CREED FANS would agree but that's because, DUH, they are Creed fans. Nickleback fans would say the same about nickleback, etc. etc. And If you want to claim Nickleback and POM etc. ripped off Creed, then Creed just ripped of Pearl Jam.

NO ONE that is not a fan of Creed (and most people aren't, contrary to your opinion) would say that Creed is better than the other bands I have mentioned most can't really tell the difference.

Mark praised Kennedy's sonwriting ability, sure, but Mark had already written practically all the songs by the time Kennedy was on board. The only song Myles wrote himself was DTML, and those have nothing to do with attacking Stapp.

You think I care what the DOORS think? What on Earth? What do they have to do with this? And no, they are not one of the greatest rock bands of all time, I could name ten off the top of my head that are better.

Obviously you just don't like heavy music (heavy garbage?) but if so, then AB isn't your band, so just stay away from them, they obviously aren't your genre.

And its funny you mention FTR, because I want to hear Stapp ever come anywhere CLOSE to pulling off that song. He couldn't. Period. And yet I can sing every Creed song there ever was with no trouble, because thoguh you are obviously ignorant of it, Stapp's voice is nothing special. Most people can sing what he sings.

And someone said they are confused that MOP is my favorite album yet I was bashing Creed? A few things. First, I like MOP and it is my favorite CREED album, not my favorite album. Second, Creed was GREAT on MOP, and then they sorta went down the toilet on HC and Weathered.

But either way, sure AB is 3/4 of Creed but a new singer makes a BIG difference when your old singer was as bad as Stapp, and your new singer is Myles Kennedy. Plus, Tremonti no longer is worrying about sounding Radio friendly, and just rocks out, resulting in far better, far more advanced songs. Plus, Flip seems to have learned how to DRUM sometime between Weathered and ODR, so that always helps. Plus, Marshall, althoguh often times difficult to hear, has some really nice basslines going.

So no, I don't hate Creed, and yes, AB is 3/4 Creed, but anyone who then makes the assumption that they must be a lot alike is insane. Similarites exist, sure. They are going to when you have the same guy writing the songs with the same equipment and same guitars. But AB is definitely above Creed even at their peak, MOP.

And anyone who thinks Creed is going to be remembered as one of the greatest bands of all time really is deluded. I mean, REALLY deluded.

[uncertaindrumer]

It just gets me a little aggervated that some people have this thing against Stapp when he has not said or done anything negative since the breakup...

Dude, you need to wake up. He has most certainly said and done ridiculous thigns since the break-up, and even Stapp fans like Titan9, Bridge of Clay, and Ana4Stapp will admit that.

[HigherGirl]

Boy, I leave for a couple months and look at all the crap I started back in February.. surprised this thread is still going strong..
in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny: "Ain't I a stinker?"
By the way.. I STILL MISS CREED!!!!!!!!
Sorry, But Stapps voice just sooooothed me to no end..
and the music... Ahhh.. the music
and lyrics......WOW!!!!
AB rocks!! But Creed takes most of my heart.. :wub:

[uncertaindrumer]

^That's great. Most people on this board appear to be of that opinion, and I respect something like that.

But not the crap johhnynips has been spewing.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Damn! I'm glad I never post in here :peoplesey As far as missing creed...Meh! As far as 3 Doors Down,I like em,so up yours ;)

[uncertaindrumer]

I'm not saying they are BAD. I'm just saying--and I don't think many people would disagree--they aren't an incredible band. They are a rather generic radio rock band, along the lines of the other bands I have mentioned. They just aren't unique.

[Mulletman]

All music is generic. Since when has any artist been inovative? The industry's view of innovation is taking two or more things that work, puting them together and praying it all goes well.

[uncertaindrumer]

All music is generic. Since when has any artist been inovative? The industry's view of innovation is taking two or more things that work, puting them together and praying it all goes well.

Saying all music is generic is ridiculous. Yes, THESE DAYS everything is generic and THESE DAYS music really... sucks. But not all "music" is generic. That is quite wrong.

[JulieCitySlicker]

I'm not saying they are BAD. I'm just saying--and I don't think many people would disagree--they aren't an incredible band. They are a rather generic radio rock band, along the lines of the other bands I have mentioned. They just aren't unique.
Ya well,that isd your opinion but I may have the same opinion for bands that you like as well.

[uncertaindrumer]

Geez, likes and dislikes in music are one thing--but uniqueness is another. I LOVE Alter Bridge, but I am not so crazy as to think they are extremely unique. I think they are MORE unique than %99 of the garbage today (Yes, I'm looking at YOU, Hoobastank!), but they are not super unique. I still adore them though, and there is nothing wrong with liking a band that isn't unique.

It IS a little preposterous to claim that a band like 3 Doors Down is unique, though. They just AREN'T.

[titan9]

Geez. I'm busy for a couple days(moving stuff for my sis) and I come back and find yet another argument between a Stapp fan(Nips) and a non-Stapp fan(Uncertain). I guess I shouldn't be surprised.:rolleyes:

I've stated my opinion of Stapp(and Creed and Alter Bridge) several times, but will say a few things here. I am an equal fan of Stapp, Creed and Alter Bridge. Creed was the band that got me into Rock music in the first place. Without them, I would probably still listen to that ridiculous Pop music, simply because I wouldn't know how good Rock music can be. Still, 99% of the Rock bands that are popular suck. Creed is, in my opinion, a part of that 1% that do not suck. I hate how people compare Creed to bands like Nickelback, Hoobastank, Puddle of Mudd etc.(I won't pick on 3 Doors Down, as I can stand them) The fact is, when Creed first started out(with MOP) a lot of critics respected and even liked Creed. Creed had a massive amount of success with MOP on just Rock radio. Four number one rock hits, if I remember correctly. Then came Human Clay, which was softer than MOP. Still had some awesome songs, though. Higher broke through and became a huge hit on Pop radio. And that's where it started to go bad, in terms of critics. People started hating on Creed, partly because of the fact that they were on Pop radio, constantly being played. Rock stations didn't like them anymore because it felt like they, in a way, sold-out. Wasn't Creed's fault, as they had no say about what songs got played on what stations. WAWO made even more people hate Creed. Even those who did like Creed at one point, turned on them because it was "un-popular" to like Creed. My brother-in-law bought Human Clay, then eventually turned against Creed. I believe it was because of that Pop radio airplay.

Weathered made Creed even more hated. The album was the softest of the three, and it seemed like Creed was only making music to make money. I blame Wind-Up for this, not the guys. I believe Wind-Up forced them into making an album suitable for Pop radio airplay. Hey, it worked, as it did get them two huge hits. But it did the band no good. The constant touring took its toll on the band and ultimately, in my opinion, led to the demise.

Despite it all, I still loved and respected Creed, the band. The music made a difference in my life and I have been greatly influenced by Mark's guitar playing(that was the main reason I took up guitar) and Scott's lyrics(I have been writing song lyrics for almost a year). When the break-up was announced, I was definitely bummed. But, being the positive thinking person that I now am, I thought of the positives. First, since the band members had been rumored to not get along with one another, now they would no longer have to deal with that. Now they'd have peace. Second, now we'd get twice the amount of good music. That was very exciting to me, and immediately I began to get excited about Stapp's solo project and the new band formed by Phillips and Tremonti. I didn't know much about it, but I knew that it was very promising. Soon I heard OYE for the first time, and, at first, didn't care for the vocalist. Yes, from June until September, I was not a Myles Kennedy fan. I missed Stapp's vocals. But I gave Myles another chance, and his vocal ability grew on me. Now I can say that I like him as much as I like Stapp. Myles just has incredible range. It's not like he's only had this kind of talent in Alter Bridge; that talent is evident in his work in the Mayfield Four. Not only is this guy an awesome singer, but he is also a very good lyricist(based off of his work in MF4) and a good guitarist. This guy is a very well rounded musician who can hold his own both as a guitarist and as a singer. Not too many singers nowadays can say that. Myles is, in my opinion, one of the most talented musicians in Rock today.

Stapp is, in my opinion, an awesome lyricist and pretty good singer. His voice fit Creed perfectly; if Myles were to sing a Creed song, it just would not fit. No one denies Scott's talent as a lyricist and as a singer. Some do, however, bash Stapp as a person. I prefer not to judge Stapp, so I stay out of those arguments. I don't defend him as a person, but will gladly defend him as a musician. Of course, I will do all of this in a respectful way. Nips, people apparently think you haven't voiced your opinion in a respectful. Bashing Myles is not the way to make friends here, to have people respect you. ESPECIALLY in the way that you have done so. It is one thing to say that you do not like Myles, but it is a totally different thing to bash Myles in the way that you have. Uncertain strongly dislikes Stapp, yet he doesn't constantly rip into him. I don't agree with Uncertain's assessment of Creed and Stapp, but I respect the way in which he has voiced his opinion. The point is, you have to be respectful in voicing your opinion. Otherwise, you'll see a lot of people who strongly disagree with you.

[creedlvr]

Uncertain strongly dislikes Stapp, yet he doesn't constantly rip into him. I don't agree with Uncertain's assessment of Creed and Stapp, but I respect the way in which he has voiced his opinion.
I agree with a lot of what you said ... but I disagree with this. I didn't find anything respectful in the way in which Uncertain expressed his "opinion." In fact, I don't think he understands that what he thinks is just an opinion and not a fact. I thought it was uncalled for to call Johnnynips an idiot because his "opinion" differed from that of his own. I'm just still trying to figure out why he (Uncertain) is here on a Creed site if he dislikes them so much. :confused:

[Creed23]

Ill vouche for that

[titan9]

Well, creedlvr, I just find Uncertain to be more respectful when he voices his opinion. I guess it's all up to the person, how they perceive one's opinion. I perceive Uncertain's opinion of Stapp to be more respectful than Nips opinion of Kennedy. Uncertain is, despite the anti-Stapp comments, a good guy. I don't agree with everything he says, but I do know he's not here simply to cause fights. He is here to voice his opinion. As for why he's at a Creed site, well, he does really like MOP and some other Creed songs. And he is a big fan of Alter Bridge, which is also a part of this site. All Creed fans are Creed fans are different in how much they like the band; there's varying levels of Creed fans. Some like everything the band put out; some like most of it; some only like some of it. Uncertain, in my opinion, is one of those people who only like some of it. But he is still, in a way, a Creed fan, despite what he may say about their music at times. He just didn't like the way Creed went in their last two albums, but really liked what they put out with that first album.

[uncertaindrumer]

I agree with a lot of what you said ... but I disagree with this. I didn't find anything respectful in the way in which Uncertain expressed his "opinion." In fact, I don't think he understands that what he thinks is just an opinion and not a fact. I thought it was uncalled for to call Johnnynips an idiot because his "opinion" differed from that of his own. I'm just still trying to figure out why he (Uncertain) is here on a Creed site if he dislikes them so much. :confused:

Without trying to sound childish... "he started it".

I would never just out of the blue start attacking Stapp and anyone on here knows that. I never start a discussion about Stapp and I try to keep away from bashing him. I certainly don't have a good opinion of him, but I don't constantly voice it.

Johhnynips jsut completely ripped Myles Kennedy to shreds because... Oh my goodness, he doesn't like tenors. That is absurd. That is like me ripping an opera singer because I don't like opera. THAT IS ABSURD. If you don't see how his "opinions" and the way he "voiced them" are disrespectful and often just wrong (Myles has a VERY TECHINCALLY PROFICIENT VOICE, you CANNOT DENY THAT FACT), then I don't really care to argue with you. Obviously you are so deeply stuck inside your view of things that you will hear no other side of it.

I ALWAYS try to be respectful when speaking of Stappp, who many on here consider a GREAT singer. I DON'T consider him a great singer but I also don't make posts SIMPLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF BASHING HIM. My posts in response to Johhnynips were in defense of Myles Kennedy, and in that respect it was much easier to get my point across (that Johhnynips doesn't know what he is talking about) by also pointing out where he was wrong about Stapp. (note, I never said he had a bad voice or that his lyrics sucked. I said he did not have a particularly UNIQUE voice and that I PERSONALLY did not like his lyrics but that is my opinion).

If you can't see why my posts were more inline than his, I don't care. If you are that blind, I don't give a crap what you think of me. I have been a member of this board for over six months but have lurked for a LONG LONG LONG time and I don't need you to tell me I'm being disrespectful or that my facts are opinions, or that I don't like Creed enough to be on a Creed website.

If Johhnynips had just said he preffered Myles to Scott, or that he though Myles did not have Scott's inherant emotion and charm, that's FINE. It is a little uncalled for (there is no need to bring Myles into this discussion, really), but it is fine. To say he sucks, has a bad voice, and that no one wants to listen to him is not an opinion. IT'S WRONG. As a singer, by all known criteria for voice, he has AMAZING power and range, a good voice at the least, and obviously PLENTY of people like him.

And as for my Creed likes and dislikes: I look at Creed as a casualty of the business. MOP rocked HARD. That album was an album for the decade, and definitely one of the better albums I have heard in modern rock. Then, to keep up with demands (of the record company, the masses, and financially, as well) they went soft and became a radio band. I LOVED MOP and thought Creed had HUGE potential. But instead of going down the more difficult road towards musical immortality, they decided to trade credibility for huge radio success and major money. This was not ALL their decision and I doubt they ever sat down and said "we want the money". Heck, it probably had VERY little to do with them, actually. But it still happened. Just because its someone else's fault that a band goes down the tube doesn't mean they didn't go down the tube. I love MOP, think Tremo rocks completely, but just don't think Creed went the right direction.

THAT is a friggin opinion right there, and you are certainly free to disagree with it in a respectful manner. But POINTLESSLY bashing a singer who OBVIOUSLY has some major pipes and who is OBVIOUSLY loved by quite a few on this board with ABSOLUTELY NO DISCRETION and NO attempt at trying to be kind about it is absurd.

If you don't understand that, then you are either: a) way too much of a Stapp fan to even think its possible to respectfully dislike him b) way to much of a Myles hater to think its possible to go overboard bashing him c) someone who just is ignorant of how an argument should be executed.

One last thing. "Idiot" is not a dirty word. I didn't come out spewing f-bombs at Johhnynips, I used an extremely mild insult which is barely even an insult anymore, I call my friends idiots non-stop, and vice versa. But if you disagree with that, I'm sorry, I take it back. Johhnynips is not an "idiot", he is just a person with extremely skewed views of both what makes a good singer, what makes an opinion and what makes a fact, and what is respectful and what is not.

Once again, Titan9, thanks for the support. Like I said, it was a rant, it was meant to be a rant, and I am glad I did not offend you. Like I have said before, Stapp is not an inferior musician, I just PERSONALLY don't like him. But as has been my whole point, that doesn't mean I go onto a message board and go COMPLETELY off-topic to incessantly bash him to death.

[Ana4Stapp]

I agree with a lot of what you said ... but I disagree with this. I didn't find anything respectful in the way in which Uncertain expressed his "opinion." In fact, I don't think he understands that what he thinks is just an opinion and not a fact. I thought it was uncalled for to call Johnnynips an idiot because his "opinion" differed from that of his own. I'm just still trying to figure out why he (Uncertain) is here on a Creed site if he dislikes them so much. :confused:

Just to clarify things:
i really disagree with your opinion trying became uncertain "the bad guy on Creedfeed". He just expressed his opinion, and yeah, Johnnynips started it...when he said Myles is a crap singer...just to use one of his words...

... Everyone has the right to think Myles is a bad singer and express it on boards. It's an opinion...but you don't need to be disrespectful with all AB's fans, and as a result provoking a boring discussion with them. Or Jhonnypips could just throw up his "impressions" about Myles without an angry answer by his fans? Jhonnypipis asked for this...and if the uncertain's answer was a little rude, like someone said, this is why Jhonnypips deserved it... Sorry, but this is the true.

By the way, I can REALLY say Uncertain is a very good guy and even though I'm a Stapp fan and he prefers Myles. Even though sometimes we disagree he is always respectful in his posts and PM's we've sent to each other. :cool:
And why? Because when he expresses his opinion about Stapp he uses a very good argument and show respect, not joking or laughing at me or any Stapp/Creed fans...

And if he liked some Creed stuff ( MOP), now he prefers AB. I'ts easy to understand.
He has the right to.I'm sure he's not the only one here...

So what's the difference? I's just because uncertain is honest when expresses his opinions and suport his point of view?

Sorry, but this is very different from : "he's bashing Creed"... ;)

[creedlvr]

Oh my God ... my head hurts.

I thought perhaps I misjudged Uncertain's tone ... so to be fair, I went back and reread both Uncertain's and JNips posts. I'm sorry but I still feel the same way. I didn't find JNips ORIGINAL post to be disrespectful. Just a quick response...I love creed and respect Tremonti totally, but you need to give it up, One day remains was good but not one song on that CD could touch any creed song, creed was a band that blew everyone else out of the water with their emotional yet rock out songs....Myles kennedy ruins the whole experience of one day remains with his rick springfield imitation sound..lol long live Stapp and the band the was one of the greats.... He clearly implied he is not a Myles fan ... but I really didn't think he was disrespectful. I did, however, find Uncertain to be disrespectful. I was going to quote his whole post, but considering how LONG it is, I decided just to point out a few things.
Here is how he started:
You. Are. The. Biggest. Friggin. Idiot. Ever.

First, modern rock SUCKS. [text deleted]
Mark was not trying to APPEAL to a bunch of whiny no-nothing's like you when he picked Myles, he wanted the BEST SINGER POSSIBLE, and he GOT him. Your ignorance on issues of voice is so overbearing its unbelievable.

Creed will not get back togther because Mark doesn't want to "move" the masses of musically ignorant dopes like yourself. He wants to rock out, and without Stapp being the piece of junk that he is, Mark can finally do that.

Shut your mouth because you obviously know NOTHING about music. [text deleted] Now I'm sorry, but I found that to be offensive. Granted that JNips came back with a response that a lot of Myles fans WOULD find offensive ... but I just didn't agree that it started that way.

I couldn't care less how other people feel about Scott or Myles ... good or bad. That is their "opinion" and they are entitled to it. And yes ... they are opinions.
[text deleted]Alter Bridge has better drums, better guitar, better bass, MUCH better vocals, and better lyrics, although the lyrics are subjective. Indeed, putting Creed on the same plateau as AB would be downright sickening, as Creed belongs nowhere NEAR the level of Alter Bridge.This is an opinion. Some would agree with this and some would not. It just depends on each person's likes and dislikes.

I think that Uncertain is just WAY TOO DEFENSIVE over Myles. His passion for him won't allow anyone else to disagree with him.

That's all.

[creedlvr]

Ana - Not for nothin' but this was your response to Uncertain's original post. Obviously, you took it the same way I did.
I really don't understand why you are here! Stop to bashing CREED and specially SCOTT STAPP. If you don't like Creed and prefer AB, okay, but there's a lot of people here that love Creed. No one here is bashing Alter Bridge, so stop to bashing Creed/Stapp. This is a comunity of CREED fans. Don't you know this? Creed 's 4EVER!!!
We are one,
We are strong,
the more you hold us down
the more we press on...

[uncertaindrumer]

Better quality product?, where do you get that from. I saw Bridge on Leno and Kennedy couldn't even sing a song without his voice breaking up. I am sorry if your into 80's bands kennedy would be the perfect lead singer, but thia is the year 2005, noone wants to hear a guy who has a horrible voice, try to fill in for one of the best lead singers of all time..Personally you think mark would have asked david draman of disturbed to sing on his album, at least it would have appealed to a lot more people.Honestly myles kennedy should still be singing for steel dragon in Rockstar, at least his voice fit for 70's and 80's rock. The thing that made creed such a success was that people could relate to their lyrics and music which moved so many millions of fans. I believe that it will only be a matter of time before mark realizes that he needs to reunite

This was the post I was mainly replying to. Not the one you quoted. And the first post I had I actually fprgot about it was so long ago. It had nothing to do with the later discussions. And obviously, however Ana "took" it has changed.

After re-reading my post I still don't think anything I said was too rude. He compeltely tore apart a guy with no reason to at all, and so I got a little mad. I even SAID it was a rant and was not intended to insult, but that I was simply greatly impassioned due to the ridiculous nature of his post.

But whatever. Somehow I doubt you would have found my post offensive if I had been bashing Myles like he did.

[uncertaindrumer]

I meant the typical 80's singer with the ooohs ahhhhs, maybe if he didn't do those gay little things he wouldn't be half bad, but lets be serious the song writing ability isn't there..furthermore if you really listen to the lyrics most of the songs are the band taking shots at a certain former lead singer. I like alter bridge, you however cannot put them on the same plateau as creed, as this would be insane...plus they sold a total of 500,000 records as where creed sold about 45,000,000. Enought said , for the time being until a reunion happens i am happy to listen to the awesome guitar playing that I have always enjoyed.

Also I was replying to this post quite a bit. "gay little things" that apparently many on here love an enjoy? I am sorry but I don't thinkyou need to phrase it that way, and it got me quite mad. So maybe I went a little overboard--people do. But what I was saying was in response to him. I would never have just brought the subject out of thin air. To make an example.

Creed sucked. Not a single on of their songs can touch AB's. I mean, Stapp is just the worst singer the planet has ever seen. No one wants to hear a guy spew all of his moral conundrums and Christian sayings at you while he is on drugs. He has the most boring, dull, common, annoying voice in the world. Maybe if he took out those stupid growls on the end of songs (i.e. freedom fighter) people would like him more. And besides, Alter Bridge obviously has mroe credibility than Creed because Creed sold a gazillion albums to a bunch of thirteen year old girls. You can't compare the two.

Would you find THAT respectful?

[creedlvr]

Also I was replying to this post quite a bit. "gay little things" that apparently many on here love an enjoy? I am sorry but I don't thinkyou need to phrase it that way, and it got me quite mad. So maybe I went a little overboard--people do. But what I was saying was in response to him. I would never have just brought the subject out of thin air. To make an example.

Creed sucked. Not a single on of their songs can touch AB's. I mean, Stapp is just the worst singer the planet has ever seen. No one wants to hear a guy spew all of his moral conundrums and Christian sayings at you while he is on drugs. He has the most boring, dull, common, annoying voice in the world. Maybe if he took out those stupid growls on the end of songs (i.e. freedom fighter) people would like him more. And besides, Alter Bridge obviously has mroe credibility than Creed because Creed sold a gazillion albums to a bunch of thirteen year old girls. You can't compare the two.

Would you find THAT respectful?
Wow... that was simply brilliant! Okay, so obviously you've just proved you're an obnoxious person with whom one can't disagree with or they'll get this garbage. :wtf: I think you need to take a chill!!!

[titan9]

You know, the point at which Nips posts got disrespectful was when he started to say "Myles needs to stop doing those gay little things". I have never heard Uncertain say Stapp needs to stop doing "gay little things". If Nips would have just said "I don't like Myles, I don't think Alter Bridge can touch Creed and I like Stapp more than Myles" I doubt that all these people(Uncertain included) would have fired back and yelled at Nips. The way in which Nips voiced his opinion, that was rude.

Granted, Uncertain could have said what he said in slightly nicer way, but, in a way, Nips asked for it with the way he made fun of Myles(the Rick Springfield immitation comment, for one). And then, when Nips clearly saw that his comments were offensive to the Alter Bridge fans, he just kept spewing out the same stuff, and kept getting ruder and ruder in the way which he criticized Myles. He really should have just stopped after that first post, in my opinion.

[uncertaindrumer]

Wow... that was simply brilliant! Okay, so obviously you've just proved you're an obnoxious person with whom one can't disagree with or they'll get this garbage. :wtf: I think you need to take a chill!!!

Ya know what? Arguing with you is %100 pointless, you just don't GET it. That little paragraph was not something I wrote or intended to be taken seriously. It was a TRANSLATION of Johhnynips' opinion on Myles into what it would sound like if someone said the same things about Stapp. Did you just MISS that?!

[creedlvr]

Ya know what? Arguing with you is %100 pointless, you just don't GET it. That little paragraph was not something I wrote or intended to be taken seriously. It was a TRANSLATION of Johhnynips' opinion on Myles into what it would sound like if someone said the same things about Stapp. Did you just MISS that?!
Well no shit! Of course I GOT IT! I'm really not a moron! I just thought is was unnecessary. Once again ... your passion is a bit over the top. Take a chill! I really don't think it's worth getting your undies in a bunch! Geez! Then you wonder why I thought you were rude.

Have a nice day! :)

[uncertaindrumer]

Well no shit! Of course I GOT IT! I'm really not a moron! I just thought is was unnecessary. Once again ... your passion is a bit over the top. Take a chill! I really don't think it's worth getting your undies in a bunch! Geez! Then you wonder why I thought you were rude.

Have a nice day! :)

What on earth? Yeah, I'm just stopping. You clearly don't get it at all. Arguing is pointless. I wasn't saying those thigns about Creed as my opinions (you think I care that he adds a growl or two here and there?) I was just reflectiong what Johhnynips post WOULD have looked like if he had been attacking Stapp.

You DON'T get it, and I just don't care to explain anymore.

[Ana4Stapp]

Ana - Not for nothin' but this was your response to Uncertain's original post. Obviously, you took it the same way I did.


Wow! This is an endless and a little boring discussion...Well, let's go:

The first time I saw his statement about Scott Stapp I misenderstood it...I thought he was bashing Stapp and Creed...and as result we had a very hard discussion on posts which results in PM's ...and i have to confess I was rude in my answer to uncertain...but to my surprise, he didn't act the same thing, on the contrary, he was very kind and show me that he just expresssed his opinion, his idea, which was entirely different from mine .

Saying you the truth, I didn't respect his opinion, because it was different from MINE. So,I was wrong.

I started it when I didnt accept he had the right to say he didn't miss Creed and actually he prefers AB...

I was intransigent.

Is this guy wrong because of this? Just because he verbalized his impressions? Just because he gave voice to his thoughts?

Or only my opinions were right?

Sorry, but opinions are subjective...which is right for me, maybe is not for you...Who's right? Who's wrong?

And after this first bad impression, believe me, even though we still disagree in some things(and of course agree in a lot of) about Stapp/Creed, and also about Creed non-related stuff, we do this in a respectful manner...and as a result, PM'd a lot to each other...(isn't true? :rolleyes: )

[uncertaindrumer]

Quite, but I am still really confused as to why Creedlvr is taking my mock Stapp bashing as such a big deal... It was a *MOCK* Stapp bashing.

[creedlvr]

Quite, but I am still really confused as to why Creedlvr is taking my mock Stapp bashing as such a big deal... It was a *MOCK* Stapp bashing.
Did you even read my last post? I just said I GOT IT! Maybe you're the one not getting it ... so let me clarify:
I am (and was) very aware the first time you said it that you were not saying those things seriously. I got it then ... and I get it now. I just said that I felt (even though is was a *MOCK*) that it was unneccesary. That is not making a big deal ... it's just simply saying it was unneccesary. I feel that way because you seem to feel the need to keep making your point over and over and over and over. Your *MOCK * was just another example. Let it rest already. You're just SO fired up it's almost weird.

[uncertaindrumer]

Alright, I am just officialy confused.

/leaves thread for good

[OneOmerta]

You're just SO fired up it's almost weird.

lol....I agree. And people pick on Stapp supporters for getting fired up...yikes...uncertain could give us a run for the money eh? LMAO

Hey uncertain...come down from the cross dude... :D

[PrtytilImPurple]

It IS a little preposterous to claim that a band like 3 Doors Down is unique, though. They just AREN'T.

For a band that isn't unique they certainly have sold millions of albums. I guess all us people who like em aren't unique either. I guess we're just sheep who will buy anything. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa...I'm so booooooooooring.

When people come at me with these kinds of arguments about how I don't know good music when I hear it I ask them who they listen to. They tell me. and I say "never heard of em". And in most cases I'm not lying.

[Dogstar]

Once again, sales do not equal quality. There is a lot of good quality music that you won't find in record stores.

[uncertaindrumer]

For a band that isn't unique they certainly have sold millions of albums. I guess all us people who like em aren't unique either. I guess we're just sheep who will buy anything. Baaaaaaaaaaaaa...I'm so booooooooooring.

When people come at me with these kinds of arguments about how I don't know good music when I hear it I ask them who they listen to. They tell me. and I say "never heard of em". And in most cases I'm not lying.

Well I was going to stay out of this thread but since this is a different topic then what I was discussing, I'll answer it.

First, Just because they aren't unique doesn't make them BAD. And just because they ARE unique doesn't make them GOOD.

But your argument is amazingly ridiculous. Becuase they sold ALBUMS, THEY ARE UNIQUE?! The more albums you sell these days, usually the LESS unique you are. Hoobastank sells albums. Gonna tell me that they are unique? ASHLEE SIMPSON sells albums. Gonna tell me SHE is unique?

And what is this nonsense about "I guess we're not unique?"? I never even IMPLIED that. I like Alter Bridge. I don't consider them a very unique band. slightly more than most, but not by much. Heck, I don't even terribly dislike 3 Doors Down. But just because you like a band doesn't mean they are unique.

And just becasue they sell ALBUMS certainly does not make them unique.

And as one last parting note to those who keep saying I am "fired up" or something like that--you have no idea. I really am not giving too much credence or time to this topic. Heck, I don't even really care what happens in this topic. Creedlvr attacked my character so I defended myself. I defended myself with EXTREMELY LONG posts. But that doesn't mean I am fired up. I love writing, I am pretty good at writing, it doens't take me long, and I didn't put much thought into it.

I am certainly not fired up. It would take more than a couple of Stapp loving Kennedy hating message board identites to get me fired up.

Either way, cheers, you obviously took this all way too seriously.

[PrtytilImPurple]

Well I was going to stay out of this thread but since this is a different topic then what I was discussing, I'll answer it.

First, Just because they aren't unique doesn't make them BAD. And just because they ARE unique doesn't make them GOOD.

But your argument is amazingly ridiculous. Becuase they sold ALBUMS, THEY ARE UNIQUE?! The more albums you sell these days, usually the LESS unique you are. Hoobastank sells albums. Gonna tell me that they are unique? ASHLEE SIMPSON sells albums. Gonna tell me SHE is unique?

And what is this nonsense about "I guess we're not unique?"? I never even IMPLIED that. I like Alter Bridge. I don't consider them a very unique band. slightly more than most, but not by much. Heck, I don't even terribly dislike 3 Doors Down. But just because you like a band doesn't mean they are unique.

And just becasue they sell ALBUMS certainly does not make them unique.

And as one last parting note to those who keep saying I am "fired up" or something like that--you have no idea. I really am not giving too much credence or time to this topic. Heck, I don't even really care what happens in this topic. Creedlvr attacked my character so I defended myself. I defended myself with EXTREMELY LONG posts. But that doesn't mean I am fired up. I love writing, I am pretty good at writing, it doens't take me long, and I didn't put much thought into it.

I am certainly not fired up. It would take more than a couple of Stapp loving Kennedy hating message board identites to get me fired up.

Either way, cheers, you obviously took this all way too seriously.

Is there anybody you do like other than Alter Bridge? We get the message that you really really really do hate Hoobastank. Nowhere in there did I say somebody who sells alot of CDs is unique. But you got to admit people don't buy CDs that they don't like. So I guess a band that sells alot of CDs does indicate that there are a hell of alot of people who like whatever it is they have to say. The wonder of the internet is that you can usually hear most of the songs on a CD before you buy it. Its not a matter of buying something without knowing what it sounds like these days.

There's alot of good music that you never hear on the radio. In alot of cases its because its so unique that the majority of the music buying public doesn't really care for it. There are bands that I don't particularly care for, other than a few songs. I don't buy their CDs. I pay....yes I said PAY to download those particular songs. I'm not gonna buy a CD with songs that I skip over because I don't like them. Thats a waste of my money.

I'm just tired of lots of people (not just uncertaindrumer) telling me that because I like someone who sells alot of records I have no idea what good music is when they actually don't have any idea what kind of music I listen to. I do listen to bands that some people would never have heard of. I just don't tell other people that because they don't like my music they don't know what good music is.

And no. One Day Remains is NOT in my CD collection.

[uncertaindrumer]

Hey, look. I never said you don't know what good music is.

Alter Bridge, quite possibly on of my favorite bands, I don't consider very unique. But MOST BANDS that you hear on the radio are the same old stuff over and over again. WHY? Because it SELLS. That doesn't mean it is all bad. It just means that after a while it gets... boring.

But I certainly never said, nor implied, that you have bad taste in music. I don't have any problem with 3 Doors Down. At all.

[HigherGirl]

Boy...
All the fighting...
sorry I started this thread, wasn't my intention to start a big brawl... :(
I had an OFF day I guess and missed Creed... No big deal...I still miss 'em, But life goes on...No big deal.. haven't you heard a Creed song, and just thought.."Boy I miss those days...concerts..etc." Thats all I was getting at.. :confused:

[jim22_greek]

Hey Highergirl I Miss Them Too Very Match Iam Jim From Greece And Iam I Big Fan Of Creed Please Sent Me I Email. Iam Looking Forward Too Contact With You See You Kiss From Greece. A! And I Also Like South Park

[uncertaindrumer]

Funny how this thread was ressurected...

[titan9]

Haha, like it or not, Uncertain, there are still people who miss Creed. They had an impact on a lot of people. They were an awesome band.

Right now, however, I can say that I don't miss them that much anymore. Yes, MOP was an amazing album, still probably my favorite of all time. But you know what? Like I said on the first page of this thread, at least now, for some(namely those who like both), we are getting twice the amount of awesome music! I'm really enjoying The Great Divide, and I have loved ODR since last Fall.

[uncertaindrumer]

Haha, like it or not, Uncertain, there are still people who miss Creed.

True.

They had an impact on a lot of people.

True.

They were an awesome band.

False. :D

[titan9]

Well, imo, and a lot of people will agree with me, they were an awesome band. :laugh:

[uncertaindrumer]

Well, imo, and a lot of people will agree with me, they were an awesome band. :laugh:

Yes and on an Ashlee Simpson fansite a lot of people would agree that she is a great singer ;)

[geletmote]

Yes and on an Ashlee Simpson fansite a lot of people would agree that she is a great singer ;)

Dont compare quality with quantity..

[titan9]

Yes and on an Ashlee Simpson fansite a lot of people would agree that she is a great singer ;)

Oh.....no.....you........DIDN'T! Tell me you did not just compare Simpson to Creed! Tell me you did not just say that!

On a side note, I think you can make one comparison: both Simpson(based on a rumor I heard today) and Stapp apparently like to get drunk and make fools of themselves in public. :D j/k of course!

[uncertaindrumer]

Oh.....no.....you........DIDN'T! Tell me you did not just compare Simpson to Creed! Tell me you did not just say that!

I could compare her to anyone. I think the only bands I would put off-limits as far as Simpson comparisons would be the Beatles and Led Zeppelin.

On a side note, I think you can make one comparison: both Simpson(based on a rumor I heard today) and Stapp apparently like to get drunk and make fools of themselves in public. :D j/k of course!

Doesn't sound like your kidding to me ;)