Cool idea concerning singles

[Trees of Wisdom]

We all know FTR is going to be the next single, right? And hopefully a video will be released for it. But here's the thing: wouldn't it be great to release BW with a music video and release Metalingus just for rock radio?

I mean that would great because BW is mainly pop radio and Metalingus of course is just rock radio and they're both great songs and they're the complete opposite of each other. Metalingus is an extremely heavy song and BW is relatively soft, but they're still great songs. That would attract many audiences. Sales would go up.

Who's behind me in my idea?

[R U Ready?]

Ok.

[aussiecreeder]

so you want to two songs released together? ummm it could work....

[Trees of Wisdom]

so you want to two songs released together? ummm it could work....

Yeah, that's what Creed did, but the two songs they released sucked. DSD and Weathered.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Weathered was a good song.....


I think your idea is good.Maybe a video for both....? Who knows...

[XenoN]

It's possible that it could work, but I think Broken Wings is Alter Bridge's "With Arms Wide Open" (as in it's their ultimate power ballad-type song)...

So, it's almost guaranteed that, if you consider how much the mainstream would take in BW, that whatever song BW is released with would pretty much flop on radio airtime. BW is also too powerful of a song (in my eyes, when considering how the mainstream would jump all over it like WAWO) to just be a video or just be a radio hit.

The double release would work with something like ILM and Metalingus though. Broken Wings wouldn't be able to be part of a double release of any sort because I think it'd just kinda bully another song out of the fold.

[Torn Daredevil]

Yeah, I really think Broken Wings will be a huge, Top 40 type hit that will introduce the masses to AB. I wouldn't want Metalingus to take away from that.

Broken Wings will bring AB into the big time. You can quote me on that.

[XenoN]

I agree Hellboy, except for one thing... I think Broken Wings would take away from Metalingus moreso than vice versa - BW would get an assload of radio play. I agree though, BW is going to be the breakthrough just as WAWO was for Creed.

[aussiecreeder]

broken wings and ILM have hit written all over them.....

[Wylde-Tremonti]

Honestly... I Don't think AB should Release any Really Soft Songs... SUre they'd be an easy top 40 hit... But FUCK TOP 40 RADIO... TOP 40 RADIO SUCKS... i think it would accually hurt AB's Credibility as a REAL rock band... just my Opinion of course...

[RMadd]

Honestly... I Don't think AB should Release any Really Soft Songs... SUre they'd be an easy top 40 hit... But FUCK TOP 40 RADIO... TOP 40 RADIO SUCKS... i think it would accually hurt AB's Credibility as a REAL rock band... just my Opinion of course...I agree w/ you there

[XenoN]

I have a bit of a problem with this "damaging their credibility by making top 40."

I am totally against this notion of a band losing credibility by having success. It's pure and utter bullshit to me. I'm not trying to start any fights here, but that's how I feel.

If Alter Bridge were to release In Loving Memory or Broken Wings as a single, and they make number one for the week, we should applaud our boys for kicking ass. We should also remember a couple things:

1) When a band makes top 40, it's because they release something that's comfortably played in the mainstream. This means that it's ok for all the mainstream yuppies to like it, which is ok.

2) While considering notion 1, we should also remember that those of us who were buying a copy of ODR on August 10, 2004, are the fans of Alter Bridge who knew they could make it to that top 40, and know ourselves that they truly are a rock band, or else we wouldn't have wasted our time.

There's my two cents.
-Z

[RMadd]

alright, i think the divide exists in the fact that we have different perceptions of what defines popularity. if i'm not mistaken, Xenon, you're saying it's from popularity overall. however, in my opinion (and prolly matt's as well), if they're going for a more metal-oriented sound, and trying to establish themselves as distinct from Creed, i don't think releasing the more ballad-type singles would be in their best interest. that's when you get critics going off on them for being nothing more than a rehashing of Creed minus an annoying, megalomaniacal lead singer. I know OYE stayed on the playlist of 105.7, the alt-rock station in St. Louis, for not more than a few weeks. that's because alt-rock listeners tend not to like Creed (at least in my experience)

[XenoN]

I agree with your stance on how it's not for their best interest in releasing a ballad type song wouldn't be in their best interest if they're going for a metal-oriented sound.

My only thing is that people stereotype a band if they have a song that makes it into the top 40 / go mainstream. Look what happened with Metallica, for example. Half their fans abandoned them when they made their drastic change in the mid-90s.

I remember many of my friends being Creed fans until WAWO, and all of the charity stuff they did. Then I started seeing the "Even Jesus Hates Creed" t-shirts all over the place. I just hate that. I was a Creed fan through all the albums until Stapp's head started growing.

I agree with you though, RMadd... releasing Broken Wings would be a bad idea if they want to go with a metal-oriented sound. Although, if that's the case, then why were BW and ILM on the CD? Dare I mention DTML and Burn it Down? Those songs are all very Creed-like and very not metal (DTML is borderline to me, though).

[titan9]

I agree with you guys, if BW gets released as a single, it'll be huge. But you guys are also right about it possibly hurting AB's credibility as a Hard Rock band. But I think once people hear that song and buy the album, they'll realize AB is not another Creed. They're different.

[Wylde-Tremonti]

I agree with you though, RMadd... releasing Broken Wings would be a bad idea if they want to go with a metal-oriented sound. Although, if that's the case, then why were BW and ILM on the CD? Dare I mention DTML and Burn it Down? Those songs are all very Creed-like and very not metal (DTML is borderline to me, though).
???? Even PANTERA has had some soft songs... BLACK LABEL SOCIETY has a couple acoustic/piano songs on every CD... BLS even put out an ALL acoustic/Piano cd... YOU CAN'T GET MORE METAL THAN BLS AND PANTERA

... PS
The next single will of course be Find the Real but there will not be a music video for it. After that the single will be Broken Wings and then In Loving Memory. The next CD will not have ballad songs on it like this so this is why he is releasing those.

[titan9]

I actually kinda hope they have one or two ballads on the next CD. I mean, to me, it adds to the diversity of the CD. But even if it has no ballads, I'm sure it'll be a great CD.

[XenoN]

???? Even PANTERA has had some soft songs... BLACK LABEL SOCIETY has a couple acoustic/piano songs on every CD... BLS even put out an ALL acoustic/Piano cd... YOU CAN'T GET MORE METAL THAN BLS AND PANTERA



Yeah... but AB has almost half the CD with slower/ballad type songs. I understand the bands you mentioned have played slow songs - but throw me a Pantera CD that has half of its songs as a slower/ballad type. The much greater majority of Pantera and BLS is metal. I'm pretty sure their debut albums had little, if any, "slower" material on them.

My point is that AB is too well rounded to be strictly viewed as metal. That's why you see almost half of the songs on ODR as slower type songs. I'm not dissing them in any respect - they play both really well. They're very well rounded. That's why they're an Audioslave type band - Hard Rock.

[XenoN]

"The next single will of course be Find the Real but there will not be a music video for it. After that the single will be Broken Wings and then In Loving Memory. The next CD will not have ballad songs on it like this so this is why he is releasing those."

Yes, I understand... but again.. .why release a shit ton of ballads if you want to be perceived as a metal band? Sure, the next CD may or may not have any ballad type songs, but first impressions are usually the most important, right?

And, honestly, I don't see ILM making it to be a single after BW... that's TOO much ballad. Two very powerful ballad songs, which I believe would make huge hits, would definitely settle AB as a Hard Rock group AT BEST in the eyes of the mainstream.

[RMadd]

I guess basically what I'm looking for is another Boston or something, though without Tom Scholz's perfectionism lol

[RMadd]

and i guess i better comment on it while i'm thinking about it....
i basically don't want to hear any more ballads from 'em. sure they could do a great job and all but, for me anyway, i'll always have creed for ballads. i don't wanna hear myles wasted on a bunch of cheesy love songs. in the words of Dee Snyder, "I wanna rock!"