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Shadow
08-11-2004, 11:02 AM
I would like to thank my friend Chris at PBF for posting these very touching, emotional articles about Scott. Second article is in second post.

SCOTT STAPP SAYS HIS HEALTH WAS FAILING ON LAST CREED TOUR

New Rock News provided by LaunchDaily

When Creed broke up in June, the official line was that the group had simply gone as far as they could and were looking for new challenges. But singer Scott Stapp says things weren't right as far back as the band's 2001-2002 tour in support of their last album, Weathered. Stapp told us that Creed's nonstop schedule had left him a physical wreck. "You know, I had pneumonia, then they found out I had two tumors behind my sternum. I had a nodule on my vocal cord. I was suffering from exhaustion because, despite having all these health problems, I didn't take time off. I was kinda pressured, quote unquote, to deal with it."

Stapp says he was given Prednisone, an anti-inflammatory drug, to soothe his vocal cords so he could keep touring. But the drug brought him down mentally and caused him to gain weight, which led to rumors that he was drinking heavily. He says the combination of problems finally put him over the edge. "In dealing with all that and, you know, feeling like, you know, all people around me cared about was money, and not about my health, I kinda got depressed about that, and kinda disenfranchised with humanity for a while."

The vocalist says that turning towards Christianity helped pull him through this difficult period in his life.

Stapp returns to the music scene this week with his first solo outing, a song called "Relearn Love." The track is the first single from the upcoming album, The Passion Of The Christ: Songs, a collection of material inspired by director Mel Gibson's controversial Biblical epic. The album and the DVD of the film both arrive on August 31st.

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Here's the link: Scott Stapp (http://www.kpnt.com/new_rock_news/display.aspx?id=31324)

Shadow
08-11-2004, 11:03 AM
Here's the second article

EX-CREED SINGER SCOTT STAPP SAYS HE NEEDED TO 'RELEARN LOVE'

New Rock News provided by LaunchDaily

Former Creed vocalist Scott Stapp returns to the music scene with "Relearn Love," the first single from a new collection of music titled The Passion Of The Christ: Songs. The album compiles tracks inspired by the controversial film, The Passion Of The Christ. Although Stapp had written his tune before seeing the movie, he told us that the film helped him complete the song. "It kind of gave me some direction about, you know, what I wanted to say and why I wanted to say it, for me. You know, I wrote the song based on my feelings and what I was going through, and so, yes, it started before and then it's just a complete coincidence that The Passion Of The Christ came along and was there for final inspiration."

Stapp says that the Mel Gibson-directed movie also aided him on a personal and spiritual level. "I had already begun a process of kind of reconnecting with my faith prior to seeing that, and so it was ironic that the film kind of dropped in and gave me a little voice from heaven, so to speak, you know, kind of like, 'Hey, you're moving in the right direction,' kind of thing, because it coincided with my private life and what I was dealing with."

A video for "Relearn Love," which is Stapp's first solo offering since Creed officially disbanded in June, is being shot tomorrow (Tuesday, August 10th).

The album is due out on August 31st, the same day that The Passion Of The Christ arrives on DVD. Other rock artists appearing on the record include P.O.D. and Christian punk band MxPx, whose track includes a guest appearance from Blink-182 bassist Mark Hoppus.

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Bridge of Clay
08-11-2004, 11:07 AM
"You know, I had pneumonia, then they found out I had two tumors behind my sternum. I had a nodule on my vocal cord. I was suffering from exhaustion because, despite having all these health problems, I didn't take time off. I was kinda pressured, quote unquote, to deal with it."


that made me really pissed. they should've canceled the tour immediately.

And Stapp is guilty too, he should've pushed it. And if Mark and Flip knew about it, they should've step up for Stapp.

that's just not right. it doesn't matter if it's a band or a business, people should be the priority.

musiclover291
08-11-2004, 11:31 AM
I'm not surprised by what he is saying that's what they do push bands especially a band as successful as Creed they bleed them dry just to keep the money machine going. It was very apparent that he was very sick when I saw him on the Weather tour he looked very sick and his voice was very weak. Also prednisone side effects are terrible it can bring on depression. Mark has also made comments about the pressure for them to produce hits so I think for everyone concern it was best they split up. I can see why Stapp broke away from his old management and band he had to found his own way back by himself.

Shadow
08-11-2004, 01:01 PM
And Stapp is guilty too, he should've pushed it. And if Mark and Flip knew about it, they should've step up for Stapp.

that's just not right. it doesn't matter if it's a band or a business, people should be the priority.
Hi Marcos! :)

But look at it from Scott's point-of-view. When you have an excess of people who depend on you for their paycheck, it's not that easy. It should be, but it isn't.

The whole Weathered Tour was a mistake. Would it have hurt anybody if the tour stopped for a few months for Scott to recover? The nodule on his vocal cord - the tumors - serious enough that these things should have been taken care of in a timely manner.

Marcos, go over to PBF - you can read what I wrote about this subject over there (page 3, first post).

WhatsUrCreed
08-11-2004, 01:11 PM
I dunno....personally I am thinking somethings really fishy around here....How come Mark hadnt mentioned all of this stuff about Scott's health and how come this information hadn't really been brought out into mainstream...All you hear is that the friendship soured and they both musically went different directions...if Stapp really had these conditions...the band members should have stuck by his side...somethin isnt right... :confused:

musiclover291
08-11-2004, 01:16 PM
I dunno....personally I am thinking somethings really fishy around here....How come Mark hadnt mentioned all of this stuff about Scott's health and how come this information hadn't really been brought out into mainstream...All you hear is that the friendship soured and they both musically went different directions...if Stapp really had these conditions...the band members should have stuck by his side...somethin isnt right... :confused:

I agree. I wonder if they had some kind of contract that they could not speak freely under Creed. It was very apparent to many that Stapp was sick during the Weather tour.

The Lithium
08-11-2004, 02:31 PM
And Stapp is guilty too, he should've pushed it. And if Mark and Flip knew about it, they should've step up for Stapp.

that's just not right. it doesn't matter if it's a band or a business, people should be the priority.

Who knows, if they would've cut the tour off maybe the guys would still be together? :rolleyes:

musiclover291
08-11-2004, 02:44 PM
Who knows, if they would've cut the tour off maybe the guys would still be together? :rolleyes:

I agree I just had the same thoughts. But what is meant to be is meant to be.

Higher_Desire
08-11-2004, 02:57 PM
What sucks is that we weren't told immediately what his problems were. We were just told he had lyringitys. Not that he had friggin tumors! :eek: And that little thing about the medication answers that question of why he was looking a bit pudgy for a while.

The way I'm interpreting this from Scott (though this is only my opinion and I may be wrong), Flip and Tru maybe aren't doing the AB thing for the love of music and fans, but love of the fans' money. :confused: I don't mean to say that they're doing it for greed, don't get me wrong, but perhaps a lot of Stapp's problems with his voice was part of "what wasn't working out" during the process of getting ready for the 4th Creed album. We know now why Scott wanted to take things slower and tour a bit less. Just my :2cents:


H-D :pimp:

Torn Signs
08-11-2004, 03:50 PM
I dunno....personally I am thinking somethings really fishy around here....How come Mark hadnt mentioned all of this stuff about Scott's health and how come this information hadn't really been brought out into mainstream...All you hear is that the friendship soured and they both musically went different directions...if Stapp really had these conditions...the band members should have stuck by his side...somethin isnt right... :confused:

B/c the media didn't want us to know. They want the money. And I think the band wanted the money too. The way to get money is to keep mouths slammed shut and pocket books open. The members didn't stick by his side b/c they didn't totally understand what Stapp was going through and were probly impatient to want to get to where they wanted in life. Confusing anymore? Grasp how cold life can be? :wtf:

Jooji_2
08-11-2004, 03:55 PM
Hail, Hail, Rock and Roll.......and the love of the almighty dollar...regardless of who gets hurt in the process. :(

WhatsUrCreed
08-11-2004, 05:01 PM
I am feeling very betrayed and mislead at the moment...I WANT THE TRUTH! :cuss:

Shadow
08-11-2004, 06:16 PM
Who knows, if they would've cut the tour off maybe the guys would still be together? :rolleyes:
They should have at least taken an adequate amount of time off for his throat to heal the right way.

And that little thing about the medication answers that question of why he was looking a bit pudgy for a while.
It was never a secret that he was on medication. Especially after the car accident. It's just that many wanted to believe something different.

The way I'm interpreting this from Scott (though this is only my opinion and I may be wrong), Flip and Tru maybe aren't doing the AB thing for the love of music and fans, but love of the fans' money. I don't mean to say that they're doing it for greed, don't get me wrong, but perhaps a lot of Stapp's problems with his voice was part of "what wasn't working out" during the process of getting ready for the 4th Creed album. We know now why Scott wanted to take things slower and tour a bit less. Just my
Wow. I never thought of it that way. Mark always says he wants to tour and tour. Touring is the money maker when you're in a band.

Dogstar
08-11-2004, 06:18 PM
God forbid they want to make a living. Seriously, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides.

Shadow
08-11-2004, 07:38 PM
God forbid they want to make a living. Seriously, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides.
I agree with that. I always say it takes two to tango :D

The Lithium
08-11-2004, 07:45 PM
I agree I just had the same thoughts. But what is meant to be is meant to be.

Yeah, and Stapp said in another interview that these feelings about a break up actually started after the Human Clay tour, but they kept on with Weathered. Oh well, who knows, we live here and now, and Creed is no more. (Problably).

aussiecreeder
08-11-2004, 09:30 PM
God forbid they want to make a living. Seriously, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides.

i agree the truth lies somewhere between the middle. this shows there is more to it and the tour should have being cancelled straight-away. i don't think that explains the break-up totally because i think there were too many personality issues and there are just too many negatives stories of stapp amongst other bands and creed fans. having two tumours and the tour wasen't cancelled? what was JHMP thinking? :mad:

Kimvan
08-11-2004, 09:37 PM
They should have at least taken an adequate amount of time off for his throat to heal the right way.


It was never a secret that he was on medication. Especially after the car accident. It's just that many wanted to believe something different.


Wow. I never thought of it that way. Mark always says he wants to tour and tour. Touring is the money maker when you're in a band.

In all fairness to Mark and Flip, I really do believe they love to tour simply for the "high" of performing for the fans, as Mark has stated in interviews. I just wish Mark would use a bit more tact in interviews when referring to the Creed break-up and how things transpired, given all that Scott endured for the sake of the band and success of the tour, he could have given that much respect to Scott in return.
And shame on the management "powers that be" for just letting Scott go on and on in such poor health! Now we all know where that statement about his most painful moment came from....and we know why he questioned if anybody "had his back"...makes me sick to my stomach, the greed involved, and at the expense of his physical and emotional health. :(

musiclover291
08-11-2004, 09:43 PM
i agree the truth lies somewhere between the middle. this shows there is more to it and the tour should have being cancelled straight-away. i don't think that explains the break-up totally because i think there were too many personality issues and there are just too many negatives stories of stapp amongst other bands and creed fans. having two tumours and the tour wasen't cancelled? what was JHMP thinking? :mad:

JHMP was thinking money. But I have to say that in this interview Stapp was not refering to the break up just the Weather Tour and his health. If I not mistaken. But also it does explain why he distance himself among the members, fans, bands etc. He has always said even going back when they got sued I saw him on a cable show can't remeber the name but anyhow he said that on the Weather Tour he was going through alot of things and felt really alone. Mark and Flip said in the first interview about the break up that one of the cause of the break up is that Stapp wanted to tour less and they wanted to work.

musiclover291
08-11-2004, 09:45 PM
In all fairness to Mark and Flip, I really do believe they love to tour simply for the "high" of performing for the fans, as Mark has stated in interviews. I just wish Mark would use a bit more tact in interviews when referring to the Creed break-up and how things transpired, given all that Scott endured for the sake of the band and success of the tour, he could have given that much respect to Scott in return.
And shame on the management "powers that be" for just letting Scott go on and on in such poor health! Now we all know where that statement about his most painful moment came from....and we know why he questioned if anybody "had his back"...makes me sick to my stomach, the greed involved, and at the expense of his physical and emotional health. :(

Amen!!!!!!!!!!

Shadow
08-11-2004, 10:31 PM
In all fairness to Mark and Flip, I really do believe they love to tour simply for the "high" of performing for the fans, as Mark has stated in interviews. I just wish Mark would use a bit more tact in interviews when referring to the Creed break-up and how things transpired, given all that Scott endured for the sake of the band and success of the tour, he could have given that much respect to Scott in return.
And shame on the management "powers that be" for just letting Scott go on and on in such poor health! Now we all know where that statement about his most painful moment came from....and we know why he questioned if anybody "had his back"...makes me sick to my stomach, the greed involved, and at the expense of his physical and emotional health. :(
Well said Kim. :D

creedsister
08-11-2004, 11:24 PM
:rockon:

TeriB19
08-11-2004, 11:39 PM
This is the first any of us have heard anything about tumors or nodules as far as I know. I'm not trying to defend or take sides. I'm wondering if Scott shared that news with management. We all knew that he was stressed, tired and sick but it wasn't common knowledge about the tumors or nodule.

Mulletman
08-12-2004, 02:19 AM
Yup, first time. The only medical complications that were ever released about Scott were the disks in his back during the car accident and his throat problems.

Dani
08-12-2004, 03:12 AM
God forbid they want to make a living. Seriously, I think the truth lies somewhere in between both sides.

That's pretty much how I see it as well.

There is also a full interview with Scott about the break up over at MTV.com if some of you haven't seen it yet MTV article (http://www.mtv.com/bands/s/stapp_scott/news_feature_080904/)

Trees of Wisdom
08-12-2004, 04:28 AM
Geez, Scott Stapp trying to be a victim in all of this. Just check out the thread in the alterbridgeband.net forum.

http://p202.ezboard.com/falterbridgefrm2.showMessage?topicID=1962.topic

farmgirl
08-12-2004, 08:05 AM
He isn't trying to be a victim...he admitted his fault in all this. That thread has alot of ignorant posts in it and isn't worth reading. It's just the same ole Scott bashers saying the same things.

Bridge of Clay
08-12-2004, 08:40 AM
what's up with the shower girls talk?

farmgirl
08-12-2004, 09:45 AM
:confused: Huh?

creedlvr
08-14-2004, 12:06 AM
I agree that Scott obviously didn't share all of his problems with Mark and Flip, but still ... the rest of the world could see there was a problem. Even if Mark and Flip didn't know exactly what was going on, they should've noticed something just wasn't right.

Someone said earlier that Mark should at least have the respect enough for Scott not to bad-mouth him or at least use a little more tact ... and I agree. So many of us here have said right along that once Scott does speak out, he would NEVER say a bad word towards his fellow band members ... and obviously, we were right.

I'm sure there is a little bit of "fluff" in both Mark and Scott's stories ... but I really tend to believe Scott. Besides, most of what Mark said, does coincide with what Scott said. They both agree that Scott didn't want to tour as much as the others. They both agree that Scott isolated himself from everyone. They both agree that there was no communication. I think that Scott was wrong in not sharing the whole truth with his band members ... but more importantly ... his friends. He should have put more faith in them to understand ... or at least given them a chance. But I think that Mark and Flip were wrong for not realizing that Scott was not just being an asshole and that something was clearly wrong.

I understand that everyone has to make a living ...but please ... I don't think that any one of them would go bankrupt if they took some extra time off. IMO ... they could have cut him some slack. They had to have known something ... so many of us here ... so far away from Scott ... knew he had health problems and didn't look himself. How could they have not figured it out?

Well ... if I say anymore, I will get attached, so all I'll say is that I really admire Scott and hope that he stays on the right track and is happy.

musiclover291
08-14-2004, 12:10 AM
I agree that Scott obviously didn't share all of his problems with Mark and Flip, but still ... the rest of the world could see there was a problem. Even if Mark and Flip didn't know exactly what was going on, they should've noticed something just wasn't right.

Someone said earlier that Mark should at least have the respect enough for Scott not to bad-mouth him or at least use a little more tact ... and I agree. So many of us here have said right along that once Scott does speak out, he would NEVER say a bad word towards his fellow band members ... and obviously, we were right.

I'm sure there is a little bit of "fluff" in both Mark and Scott's stories ... but I really tend to believe Scott. Besides, most of what Mark said, does coincide with what Scott said. They both agree that Scott didn't want to tour as much as the others. They both agree that Scott isolated himself from everyone. They both agree that there was no communication. I think that Scott was wrong in not sharing the whole truth with his band members ... but more importantly ... his friends. He should have put more faith in them to understand ... or at least given them a chance. But I think that Mark and Flip were wrong for not realizing that Scott was not just being an asshole and that something was clearly wrong.

I understand that everyone has to make a living ...but please ... I don't think that anyone of them were going to go bankrupt if they took some extra time off. IMO ... they could have cut him some slack. They had to have known something ... so many of us here ... so far away from Scott ... knew he had health problems and didn't look himself. How could they have not figured it out?

Well ... if I say anymore, I will get attached, so all I'll say is that I really admire Scott and hope that he stays on the right track and is happy.

AMEN!!! Great post

Dogstar
08-14-2004, 12:12 AM
Well ... if I say anymore, I will get attached...
*rollseyes*

creedlvr
08-14-2004, 12:19 AM
Well ... if I say anymore, I will get attached...
*rollseyes*
My point exactly ...

pardon me ... I meant "attacked"

Dogstar
08-14-2004, 01:01 AM
I'm just tired of some of the people who seem to be only on Scott's side acting all persecuted every time they post something in support of the man. Time to get off the cross. If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then don't post. Btw, had you just posted your thoughts, you would have escaped what you called my attack. *rollseyes yet again*

musiclover291
08-14-2004, 02:38 AM
I'm just tired of some of the people who seem to be only on Scott's side acting all persecuted every time they post something in support of the man. Time to get off the cross. If you don't want people disagreeing with you, then don't post. Btw, had you just posted your thoughts, you would have escaped what you called my attack. *rollseyes yet again*

I don't think everybody is only on Stapp side I think there is truth to both AB and Stapp side. It's a shame about the divison among Creed fans. I just think that for some we are happy to see Stapp speak out. It was apparent to many that something was wrong with him and we are happy that he is healthy and happy and has found peace for himself and his son. Know he can move on with his career and life and the same with AB.

Shadow
08-14-2004, 09:47 AM
I don't think everybody is only on Stapp side I think there is truth to both AB and Stapp side. It's a shame about the divison among Creed fans. I just think that for some we are happy to see Stapp speak out. It was apparent to many that something was wrong with him and we are happy that he is healthy and happy and has found peace for himself and his son. Know he can move on with his career and life and the same with AB.
I am relieved that Scott is finally speaking out. However, it seems that it is beginning to create an even wider division between the Mark / Stapp fans. There has to be a happy medium somewhere. I strongly support Scott. I support Mark as well. But sometimes the negative comments about Scott are unnecessary. Let's just take it as it comes and see what the near future holds for both of them.

After Scott's latest round of interviews, anyone can see that he misses Mark and Scott P. I would like to think that they miss Scott as well. Scott was speaking about them yesterday over a radio interview, he spoke about them on VH1. It's clear that there is some sadness there about the whole situation.

Dogstar
08-14-2004, 12:04 PM
I don't think everybody is only on Stapp side I think there is truth to both AB and Stapp side. It's a shame about the divison among Creed fans. I just think that for some we are happy to see Stapp speak out. It was apparent to many that something was wrong with him and we are happy that he is healthy and happy and has found peace for himself and his son. Know he can move on with his career and life and the same with AB.

I never said that everybody was only on Scott's side. The people I was talking about seemed to think they would be attacked for anything that seemed only pro-Stapp because they often couched their responses with statements to that effect. All I said was that it was tiresome to read that kind of thing and that they shouldn't post their opinions if they don't expect people to disagree with them. Sadly, there is a division among fans, and that's where some of the disagreement comes from. I'm just tired of the whole persecution complex SOME of his more ardent supporters seem to convey. I support both and always will. I wish nothing but the best for both of them.

musiclover291
08-14-2004, 12:10 PM
I never said that everybody was only on Scott's side. The people I was talking about seemed to think they would be attacked for anything that seemed only pro-Stapp because they often couched their responses with statements to that effect. All I said was that it was tiresome to read that kind of thing and that they shouldn't post their opinions if they don't expect people to disagree with them. Sadly, there is a division among fans, and that's where some of the disagreement comes from. I'm just tired of the whole persecution complex SOME of his more ardent supporters seem to convey. I support both and always will. I wish nothing but the best for both of them.

Well said and I agree.

TeriB19
08-14-2004, 06:00 PM
I support both and always will. I wish nothing but the best for both of them.
Me too. Well said. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Bridge of Clay
08-14-2004, 07:22 PM
I'm sure there is a little bit of "fluff" in both Mark and Scott's stories ... but I really tend to believe Scott. Besides, most of what Mark said, does coincide with what Scott said. They both agree that Scott didn't want to tour as much as the others. They both agree that Scott isolated himself from everyone. They both agree that there was no communication. I think that Scott was wrong in not sharing the whole truth with his band members ... but more importantly ... his friends. He should have put more faith in them to understand ... or at least given them a chance. But I think that Mark and Flip were wrong for not realizing that Scott was not just being an asshole and that something was clearly wrong.


Agreed.

Although Mark tried to talk to Stapp and he said nothing, coz he didn't want to talk about it.

In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding... then JHMP showedup and screwed things up. Creed was too bad managed.

And so did Wind-Up... now they can sell the triple: AB, SS and Creed compilations that will pop up every 3 years or so with unreleased material. :mad:

musiclover291
08-14-2004, 07:41 PM
Agreed.

Although Mark tried to talk to Stapp and he said nothing, coz he didn't want to talk about it.

In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding... then JHMP showedup and screwed things up. Creed was too bad managed.

And so did Wind-Up... now they can sell the triple: AB, SS and Creed compilations that will pop up every 3 years or so with unreleased material. :mad:

I totally agree outside forces destroyed the band. But I think that it is a good idea for Stapp to be solo so that he can build his life back. I think that is important for him because of his son and that should come first. AB members don't have that responsibilty so they can focus on there music. So at the end day all members are happy. AB should watch out for JHMP management because if AB becomes as huge as Creed here we go again.

creedlvr
08-14-2004, 08:35 PM
In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding...
That's what makes it even sadder that this happened. I do feel sorry for Scott though because it seems that he really does miss his friends. I just hope that they can eventually repair the damage ... if not to Creed ... then at least to their friendship.

Dogstar
08-14-2004, 08:43 PM
I think that is important for him because of his son and that should come first. AB members don't have that responsibilty so they can focus on there music.
Flip is a daddy. He and his wife have a daughter.

Shadow
08-14-2004, 09:46 PM
In the end of the day, it seems all of it was a big misunderstanding... then JHMP showedup and screwed things up. Creed was too bad managed.

Scott has now mentioned several times people were trying to come between them (him and Mark). He also mentioned "outside influences that benefited some people financially" (not the band) with a break-up announcement.

Scott also said that if those people were not invovled, there wouldn't have been an announcement. He said that they just wanted to take a break.

My first guess who Scott is referring to ***cough Jeff Hanson cough ***

Marcos, this interview where Scott talks about this is over at PBF.

musiclover291
08-14-2004, 09:51 PM
Flip is a daddy. He and his wife have a daughter.

I know I just meant that because Jagger mother has elected not to be a part of his life I think Stapp feels that he needs to be a more hands on father and not tour as much, etc...

creedlvr
08-15-2004, 10:28 AM
I agree. When Flip is away, he knows his daughter is in good hands. Still, that doesn't take away from the fact that he, too, might eventually feel like he's missing out on a lot by being away for so long. Remember, his daughter was born (I believe) near the end of the Weathered tour. He doesn't know what it's going to feel like yet to be away from your child so much. It's different for Scott. When he's away, Jagger (I'm sure) is in good hands ... but it's not a parent.

Shadow
08-15-2004, 01:08 PM
I agree. When Flip is away, he knows his daughter is in good hands. Still, that doesn't take away from the fact that he, too, might eventually feel like he's missing out on a lot by being away for so long. Remember, his daughter was born (I believe) near the end of the Weathered tour. He doesn't know what it's going to feel like yet to be away from your child so much. It's different for Scott. When he's away, Jagger (I'm sure) is in good hands ... but it's not a parent.
Flip's daughter was actually born last July. He found out about April being pregnant during the Weathered tour. So, Flip hasn't been away on tour yet since the baby was born.

And as far as Jagger is concerned, Scott has mentioned numerous times that his sister Amanda helped him out alot. She has a child a little bit younger then Jag. But, it's true, it's not a parent.

musiclover291
08-15-2004, 01:50 PM
Flip's daughter was actually born last July. He found out about April being pregnant during the Weathered tour. So, Flip hasn't been away on tour yet since the baby was born.

And as far as Jagger is concerned, Scott has mentioned numerous times that his sister Amanda helped him out alot. She has a child a little bit younger then Jag. But, it's true, it's not a parent.

I didn't know Amanda had a child is she married and what is her age, just wondering?

Bridge of Clay
08-15-2004, 02:19 PM
doing some thoughts... I don't think Jeff Hanson is the one to blame... otherwise he wouldn't be AB's manager... although, truth be told, in many aspects Creed was bad managed. (CreedInk!). But if the guys kept the same staff, I don't think it's JH's fault.

Creed_Defaultgirl
08-15-2004, 03:43 PM
I don't know, it wasn't Flip and Mark who had the health problem, and Scott doesn't have Jeff as a manager anymore. That's a clue to me. If Myles ever has health problems on tour we'll see what happens and then we'll know.

musiclover291
08-15-2004, 04:19 PM
I don't know, it wasn't Flip and Mark who had the health problem, and Scott doesn't have Jeff as a manager anymore. That's a clue to me. If Myles ever has health problems on tour we'll see what happens and then we'll know.

Great point. I can't help to wonder if fans saw that something was wrong with Stapp it was so apparent he looked horrible and weight gain, sweating, throat problems etc.. didn't someone care enough to step in. I have to agree with Stapp that it was about money I understand that he didn't open up to Flip and Mark about his problems but come on shouldn't of JH step in to see what the problem was that is why I believe Stapp's version and I think JH knew of his problems but push him to keep touring and maybe WU for the love of money.

shunammite
08-15-2004, 05:06 PM
It might not just be crude love of money, in the real world money is important and if you aren't making it things can really go down the toilet...

I'm just saying it might not have been pure greed but more "necessity"...

And maybe no one realized how seriously Scott was affected, he being so strong and athletic...I still can't believe it took such a toll on him but obviously it did, you can still see the effects. And he didn't even want to face his own weakness..."I was trying to be strong"...

Don't we all...

Shadow
08-15-2004, 08:36 PM
I didn't know Amanda had a child is she married and what is her age, just wondering?
Amanda is not married. She is engaged to Kiki. Her daughter is one year younger then Jagger. Amanda is 5 years younger then Scott, making her 26 this year.

musiclover291
08-15-2004, 09:55 PM
Amanda is not married. She is engaged to Kiki. Her daughter is one year younger then Jagger. Amanda is 5 years younger then Scott, making her 26 this year.

Thanks for that information. Very cool Kiki seems like a really nice guy and him and Scott seem really close. I wish the best.

aussiecreeder
08-16-2004, 12:53 AM
about scott's vocal problems health issues obviously played a part. i don't think his singing technique helped the cause and perhaps his current musical direction and experience will stop that happening again. it won't happen to myles.......

musiclover291
08-16-2004, 01:34 AM
about scott's vocal problems health issues obviously played a part. i don't think his singing technique helped the cause and perhaps his current musical direction and experience will stop that happening again. it won't happen to myles.......

Don't be quick to say that you never ever know what can happen in the future to Myles vocally..........

aussiecreeder
08-16-2004, 04:03 AM
Don't be quick to say that you never ever know what can happen in the future to Myles vocally..........


okay fair point but he is trained and he has gone for 10 odd years singing professinally and hasen't encountered any problems thus far.

farmgirl
08-16-2004, 07:32 AM
I believe he has/had Tinnitus. That could possible cause some problems down the road but without doing some research...I'm not all that familiar with the long term treatment of it or lasting effects.

musiclover291
08-16-2004, 08:14 AM
I believe he has/had Tinnitus. That could possible cause some problems down the road but without doing some research...I'm not all that familiar with the long term treatment of it or lasting effects.

I totally forgot about that. Very true

Bridge of Clay
08-16-2004, 10:33 AM
I believe he has/had Tinnitus. That could possible cause some problems down the road but without doing some research...I'm not all that familiar with the long term treatment of it or lasting effects.

Tinnitus doesn't involve his voice, it's just his hearing. Now Myles is good, he has a custom made ear plug that aids it.

aussiecreeder
08-16-2004, 10:47 AM
yep that condition doesn't affect his voice at all but it did affect his hearing. that condition is now taken of (as opposed to cured) but using these special ear plugs he uses. i simply hope that scott's health problems are behind him and that this project will be a massive success.

farmgirl
08-16-2004, 10:51 AM
Thanks for the info. I do know that it affects the hearing, not the voice but I didn't know he had the ear plugs. I read that in some bad cases, people around you can hear the ringing also...that would be kind of freaky, lol. I think it would drive me nuts...glad he got it taken care of. :)