Scott Stapp about internet pirates...

[alterflip]

I founded this one on www.musicunited.org

Scott Stapp, Songwriter & Performer

"Everyone I know is excited about all the possibilities the Internet has to offer. As a musician, the Internet has made it possible for me to share my music with people that could have never been reached by conventional methods. It has been taboo for artists to speak out concerning the business side of their music. As a child I created music to express my inner thoughts and feelings, and that purity has stayed with me throughout. The day I decided to share my music with the world, was the day I decided to walk the fine line between art and commerce. I have been blessed in that I do what I love and can support my family with what I create. When my music is given away it is stealing. I need not defend my motives for making music, but the distribution of my music has made me business conscious. I have decided to sell my music to anyone who wants it, that is how I feed my family, just like a doctor, lawyer, judge, or teacher. Not to insult anyone's intelligence, but my music is like my home. These file sharing services are sneaking in the back door and robbing me blind."


:smokin:

[multifast1]

"Robbing me blind" would imply he's virtually bankrupt.. last I checked he was doing pretty well and still growing the bank account. I agree with the basics but come on.. I'm sick of rockstars making it sound like they're going hungry over this when in fact it's more like they only have $100 million in the bank instead of $102 million....

[TremontiRx]

:laugh:

[luvin monti]

LMAO!!!

[fly1853]

"Robbing me blind" would imply he's virtually bankrupt.. last I checked he was doing pretty well and still growing the bank account. I agree with the basics but come on.. I'm sick of rockstars making it sound like they're going hungry over this when in fact it's more like they only have $100 million in the bank instead of $102 million....

You checked his bank account? :wtf:

[Higher_Desire]

You checked his band account? :wtf:
No. I think it just means people shouldn't complain when all they seem to be missing is pocket change to them.


Absolutely I agree that in a way it is stealing, but what about the stuff they don't release? All the acoustics, b-sides, live versions, music videos, tv appearances, alternate versions, and all the others. Just realase it and get the money for crying out loud!


H-D :pimp:

[Agent D]

This is actually pretty old. I recall Scott saying this long ago, when this was actually an issue.

[Shadow]

I believe those comments from Scott were from when Napster was being taken to court. I remember him disapproving of what Napster was doing.

[Jooji_2]

I really don't care how wealthy someone is.....a musician's music is their product...they sell it, and make an income from it....I don't really think how rich they are should make it okay to take it without paying for it.

There were lots of old time rock and rollers who never made it rich cause they were cheated out of their royalties by their own managers and record companies, now artists have their own fans added to that.

I buy all my CD's...I may have one or two bootleg Creed things that people have graciously provided to me....but any commercially released CD....I bought and paid for it.....if I copy it....I'm copying it for my use, in order to preserve the original, or to provide a friend with songs to listen to in order to decide if they want to buy something.

And true....this article was actually done back when Napster was giving way anyone and everyone's stuff for virtually free.... :wtf:

[Bridge of Clay]

The only pirate cd I have is Rush of Blood... from Coldplay... but I don't even listen to it...

But mp3 help me to decide if I'll buy the album or not. I d/l about 3 or 4 songs if I'm thinking of buying an album If I like (most of) them, I'll buy it. I'm not into wasting money like I did several times before mp3 advent.

[Ann Allusion]

Agent D:
This is actually pretty old. I recall Scott saying this long ago, when this was actually an issue.

Shadow:
I believe those comments from Scott were from when Napster was being taken to court. I remember him disapproving of what Napster was doing.

both of you are correct...this is an OLD quote about the NAPSTER problem from a few years back...:)

~Ann~
a.k.a.
M.O.M. / Cdm2

[Jez]

Download these :)

Clip One (http://home.comcast.net/~stappsmypassion/mtv_news_napster1.rm) Clip Two (http://home.comcast.net/~stappsmypassion/mtv_news_napster2.rm)

[Mulletman]

"Yo ho! Yo ho! A pirates life for me!"

[The Lithium]

I totally agree with him!! The downloading have of course opened many doors for him and for Creed, but if I was a star I wouldn't be too crazy about the thought that people were downloading my music instead of buying it!!

[The Lithium]

"Yo ho! Yo ho! A pirates life for me!"

That's right Mullet!! :D

[Echelon122]

Some artists love downloading. I recall Dido made it big cause she had a following cause of Napster years back...that's how she got her name out.

The only songs I downloaded on Napster in the day were Parodys (which you can't find on actual CD's to buy), Live version (this was before I knew about bootlegs LOL), and stuff like that...things that people didn't put out there to actually buy.

I'm semi-torn about downloading....casue CD prices are insane nowdays. I remember when $9 was a LOT for a CD, when you could get them for $7.50 and $8. Now the average CD is $12-15 dollars. When I figure that into what I make...I make $8 an hour...it takes me 2 hours of work to get one CD.

I always wondered how they figure out what % goes to the actual artist themselves...what % to the record company, producer, enginieer, managment, artists, all that fun junk. On one CD it's pennies...but you add millions to that and it's a decent chunk....plus revenue from tours and merch and other liscensing and publishing...I don't really feel bad if the John Lennon estate doesn't get my money ..ya know?

But at the same time...I know a lot of smaller Christian bands...that CD's are how they make their living. They're independant bands, and I know the money goes directly to support their ministry and to help them have gas money and food. I gladly plunk down the $10 a CD for them in a heartbeat cause I know where it goes.

I usually hear songs on the radio and buy the album when it comes out or I want it anyways. I guess I do feel that they put their craft out there for people, they should earn their keep from it. If I were in their shoes, I'd want people to recognize my job as well. *shrug*

Now if they could actually prove that Napster, Kazza, et all actually had made a real dent in CD sales, I might have not thought Lars was such a dick-head the way he went about trying and getting Napster shut down. Maybe bad CD sales mean people don't actually like your stuff.

[multifast1]

I really don't care how wealthy someone is.....a musician's music is their product...they sell it, and make an income from it....I don't really think how rich they are should make it okay to take it without paying for it.

Once again you missed my point like usual... I agree it's wrong and doesn't matter how wealthy they are in principle.. But when you ARE that wealthy don't say that some kids downloading songs is robbing you blind. He making it sound worse than it is. Look, Metallica is one of my all-time favorite bands and I respect the hell out of them all as musicians, but Lars got way caried away in going after people for what was effectly pocket change to them.

I also buy all my CD's.. have over 300 that have contributed to the wealth of many deserving stars, but I have also gone on Kazaa and even Napster to check out songs from bands someone recommended before buying the CD.. or if I was going to a concert I would check out some music of an opening band to get a feel for them first. File sharing does have it's place if used properly.

[Mulletman]

I always wondered how they figure out what % goes to the actual artist themselves...what % to the record company, producer, enginieer, managment, artists, all that fun junk.

Approximately one dollar per cd.

I don't buy CDs anymore. Too expensive for a CD in which only 2 songs are good and the rest is crap. No way in fuck I am paying 0.99$ for a song either. I do pay for my music but I get it from Russia.

- Club Mp3 Search (http://club.mp3search.ru)
- All of Mp3 (http://www.allofmp3.com/index2.shtml)

This is completely legal under the RIAA so you can leech to your hearts content. Pricing is 0.99 per song, but under Russian currency. So if you factor that out it comes out to pennies in American dollars - one penny per megabyte. They have a huge library, there are several of these Russian sites up but these are the most popular ones. I use them, havent had a single problem.

[multifast1]

Approximately one dollar per cd.


Who gets the $1 per CD? I assume you mean the artist. Actually it's based on a point system that is negotiated in their contracts. Each party involved gets a certain amount of points (100 points per CD sale). I don't know the averages but I do know the points the artists get varies widely from band to band. And if the artist is also a producer or has a stake in the distributing or record label, he/she get's a bigger piece of the pie too.

[Shadow]

Some artists love downloading. I recall Dido made it big cause she had a following cause of Napster years back...that's how she got her name out.
Exactly! New artists want to have their music heard and downloading is a great way to do that.

My MP3 player came with a list of web-sites where you can download from. And of course the only free downloads were from up-and-coming bands that want their music heard.

The price of CD's is out of control. In Best Buy last week I saw some that were over $17.00. When I purchased Shinedown last month, I was shocked that it was only $9.99.

Mulletman - thanks for that information!

[multifast1]

...The price of CD's is out of control....


Finally, something I don't think anyone will argue about.. except maybe record execs!