New/Different Article about Break-up

[Shadow]

Thanks to Z at PBF for finding this article.

This article should make Scott's fans a little happier then the MTV interview that Mark and Flip did.

MARK TREMONTI WON'T BLAME SCOTT STAPP FOR CREED SPLIT

New Rock News provided by LaunchDaily

Because the three other original members of the recently disbanded Creed remain together in a new band called Alter Bridge, people are wondering if the breakup was caused by frontman Scott Stapp. But guitarist Mark Tremonti -- who's still working with drummer Scott Phillips and bassist Brian Marshall -- isn't blaming Stapp entirely. Tremonti told us that Creed's split was simply a case of the musicians growing apart: "I don't want to point any fingers, but people just have different views. At the time of the breakup, me and Scott Phillips shared the same views, so we went our separate ways. But, you know, I don't want to specifically say anybody had anything to do with it. It's just me and Scott Phillips had a different outlook as to where we wanted to be."

Tremonti also told us that Creed made several attempts at recording their fourth album last year, but they didn't work out: "You know, just personal differences outweighed our progress in the band. And, you know, when we talked about doing the fourth record and got together three times, it just wasn't happening, and we realized it was gonna be way too much of an uphill battle to get this next record out."

Marshall was dismissed from Creed in August of 2000, after criticizing Pearl Jam in a Seattle radio interview.

Alter Bridge -- which also features former Mayfield Four singer Myles Kennedy -- will release their debut album on August 10th. The first single, which is called "Open Your Eyes," comes out this month.

Stapp is working on a solo album, and he'll also contribute music to an album inspired by the film The Passion Of The Christ. That record is due out August 31st.

A Creed greatest hits album should also be released before the end of the year.

In case anyone is interested - here's the link: The Point 105.7 (http://www.1057thepoint.com/new_rock_news/display.aspx?id=28242)

[ctfan]

Wait, I'm all confused. First, Mark and Scott Phillips blamed pretty much the whole disbanding thing on Stapp. Even went so far as to say he didn't seem as "focused" or as "driven". But now, they've suddenly changed their minds??

I don't get it...did they go back and read the MTV interivew over again and decide just how bad they made themselves look, and thought to themselves "damn, that was a pretty crappy interview, we better do something". Or is this the way they really felt about the whole thing to begin with?

Jeez....which one is genuine, and which one isn't :confused:

Thanks for the link Shadow :)

[hockeymom97]

Wait, I'm all confused. First, Mark and Scott Phillips blamed pretty much the whole disbanding thing on Stapp. Even went so far as to say he didn't seem as "focused" or as "driven". But now, they've suddenly changed their minds??

I don't get it...did they go back and read the MTV interivew over again and decide just how bad they made themselves look, and thought to themselves "damn, that was a pretty crappy interview, we better do something". Or is this the way they really felt about the whole thing to begin with?

Jeez....which one is genuine, and which one isn't :confused:

Thanks for the link Shadow :)

I don't believe that it is how bad they made themselves look. It's MTV. They hate Stapp and I am pretty sure that the wording they put in their type is their interpretation of the talk they had with Mark. Other media outlets have pretty much said the same as the above article and others have made it seem as if Mark was blaming stapp. It's the media and they will put whatever spin they want on things. Until you hear it from Marks, Scotts, Flips, Myles or Brians mouths, I personally will take things in type with a grain of salt.

Just my opinion.

[Shadow]

Jeez....which one is genuine, and which one isn't :confused:
I think they are both genuine. When Mark and Flip sat down with MTV, they didn't know what would and what would not get put down into black and white. Micheal said MTV was with them for over two hours - I'm sure ALOT was said. The point is, no "one" person is to blame.

I'm still waiting for some word from Scott's camp - I really thought he would come out with a statement by now. I guess he is just not ready yet.

Tremonti also told us that Creed made several attempts at recording their fourth album last year, but they didn't work out: "You know, just personal differences outweighed our progress in the band. And, you know, when we talked about doing the fourth record and got together three times, it just wasn't happening, and we realized it was gonna be way too much of an uphill battle to get this next record out."
Would any of us, as fans, really want a record that wasn't as heart felt as the others were? I know I wouldn't. I want to see Mark and Scott back together writing when it's right for them. I like to hold onto the belief that anything is possible for the future. Time and circumstances change people and their feelings. So, who knows what the distant future might hold.

[hockeymom97]

I think they are both genuine. When Mark and Flip sat down with MTV, they didn't know what would and what would not get put down into black and white. Micheal said MTV was with them for over two hours - I'm sure ALOT was said. The point is, no "one" person is to blame.

I'm still waiting for some word from Scott's camp - I really thought he would come out with a statement by now. I guess he is just not ready yet.


Would any of us, as fans, really want a record that wasn't as heart felt as the others were? I know I wouldn't. I want to see Mark and Scott back together writing when it's right for them. I like to hold onto the belief that anything is possible for the future. Time and circumstances change people and their feelings. So, who knows what the distant future might hold.

I agree Shadow. I'm just tired of hearing how Mark and Flip abandoned (sp?) and backstabbed Scott and all the negativity regarding the press releases. I am excited to hear both AB and Scotts new stuff.

[Steve]

People need to keep in mind that the MTV interview was several hours if I'm not mistaken. We've only seen/heard parts of it, not the entire thing.

[hockeymom97]

People need to keep in mind that the MTV interview was several hours if I'm not mistaken. We've only seen/heard parts of it, not the entire thing.

Absolutely Steve.

[Shadow]

People need to keep in mind that the MTV interview was several hours if I'm not mistaken. We've only seen/heard parts of it, not the entire thing.
Steve is sleeping on the job again ;) ;)

Look vvvvv
Micheal said MTV was with them for over two hours - I'm sure ALOT was said.

[Higher_Desire]

Marshall was dismissed from Creed in August of 2000, after criticizing Pearl Jam in a Seattle radio interview.
I was driving to school one morning listening to that interview. :D I was really psyched to hear an interview from one of the members as Creed is hardly even ever played on the radio here. I actually thought that it was funny what he said. People seemed to take it the wrong way, as it seemed to me like he was just supporting his band.


In my opionion, what people need to ultimately realize something; it's something I have finally been able to accept. I'm as dissappointed about the breakup as much as anyone, but we need to remember, THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO. They're primary function on earth is not to give us their music. It's just one of the things they do. They have lives outside of the band. They have things they have to do. They have families. They have arguments and feelings. Just because they're in the limelight, doesn't mean that there is one primary function that they absolutely HAVE to do. Just my :2cents:


H-D :pimp:

[Kim V.]

I think they are both genuine. When Mark and Flip sat down with MTV, they didn't know what would and what would not get put down into black and white. Micheal said MTV was with them for over two hours - I'm sure ALOT was said. The point is, no "one" person is to blame.

I'm still waiting for some word from Scott's camp - I really thought he would come out with a statement by now. I guess he is just not ready yet.


Would any of us, as fans, really want a record that wasn't as heart felt as the others were? I know I wouldn't. I want to see Mark and Scott back together writing when it's right for them. I like to hold onto the belief that anything is possible for the future. Time and circumstances change people and their feelings. So, who knows what the distant future might hold.

Amen!! :)

[Shadow]

I'm as dissappointed about the breakup as much as anyone, but we need to remember, THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO. They're primary function on earth is not to give us their music. It's just one of the things they do. They have lives outside of the band. They have things they have to do. They have families. They have arguments and feelings. Just because they're in the limelight, doesn't mean that there is one primary function that they absolutely HAVE to do. Just my :2cents:
Colin, you are so right. They are just people, and making music is their job (a great job at that). I was thinking the exact same thing today about them.

As far as the Pearl Jam comment - I never did pay much attention to it - I still don't. It (that comment) was definitely blown way out of proportion.

I don't listen that much to the radio - I usually have a CD in, but I must say every time I put the radio on the local rock station here - Creed has been on. It took a break-up of the band to get the radio station to start playing them frequently again. I haven't heard them mention AB yet.

[Kim V.]

I think they are both genuine. When Mark and Flip sat down with MTV, they didn't know what would and what would not get put down into black and white. Micheal said MTV was with them for over two hours - I'm sure ALOT was said. The point is, no "one" person is to blame.

I'm still waiting for some word from Scott's camp - I really thought he would come out with a statement by now. I guess he is just not ready yet.


Would any of us, as fans, really want a record that wasn't as heart felt as the others were? I know I wouldn't. I want to see Mark and Scott back together writing when it's right for them. I like to hold onto the belief that anything is possible for the future. Time and circumstances change people and their feelings. So, who knows what the distant future might hold.Darn double post!

AMEN! :)

Amen!! :)

[ctfan]

I understand the way the media works and all that :) , and I realize who has control over editing...but they had to know what MTV would do to their interview.

It just seems to me that with every interview they do, the more they distance themselves from what was said in the original...almost as if it's an "uh oh, what did we do, look at the crap we are taking for it " kinda thing. I dunno, just my opinion :)

[SandMan]

My Opinion here only:

If the split was because one member didn't seem focused, think for a second what a divorce is like? Then think for another second What being a single Father is like? Think about probably how many times his son cried for him, because he didn't want him to leave, but he had to go because it was the way he provided.

Then think about all the other things going on stalking, death threats, other businesses, bashings by crazy people. I wouldn't be focused either.

I don't know what happened, but seems like friends left one that was truly in need of support and understanding, after I saw the interview of everyone blaming Scott. He is only human and they were more than friends in my opinion they were family, and family takes the good with the bad on all occasions.

If Creed is over that is one thing..it's a band..Starting over with new ideas and sharing them is a good thing. But I don't think it should take presedence over Love for one another and the family. The human side of the issue should always come first.

[Sheila63]

In my opionion, what people need to ultimately realize something; it's something I have finally been able to accept. I'm as dissappointed about the breakup as much as anyone, but we need to remember, THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO. They're primary function on earth is not to give us their music. It's just one of the things they do. They have lives outside of the band. They have things they have to do. They have families. They have arguments and feelings. Just because they're in the limelight, doesn't mean that there is one primary function that they absolutely HAVE to do. Just my :2cents:

Very well said, Colin. :clap: :clap: I totally agree with you.

[creedlvr]

Sandman - nice post! I agree!

[multifast1]

I understand the way the media works and all that :) , and I realize who has control over editing...but they had to know what MTV would do to their interview.

It just seems to me that with every interview they do, the more they distance themselves from what was said in the original...almost as if it's an "uh oh, what did we do, look at the crap we are taking for it " kinda thing. I dunno, just my opinion :)

I don't think it had to do with them thinking the MTV interview made them look bad... heck, Mark has been saying it was Stapp all along. Remember the "rumors" of things he was saying during the PRS meet and greets with fans??

They are distancing themselves from the controversial stuff involving Stapp because they don't want the focus to continue to be on why Creed broke up.... but about the new band Alter Bridge! Plain and simple.

[cyndeelouwho]

Wait, I'm all confused. First, Mark and Scott Phillips blamed pretty much the whole disbanding thing on Stapp. Even went so far as to say he didn't seem as "focused" or as "driven". But now, they've suddenly changed their minds??

I don't get it...did they go back and read the MTV interivew over again and decide just how bad they made themselves look, and thought to themselves "damn, that was a pretty crappy interview, we better do something". Or is this the way they really felt about the whole thing to begin with?

Jeez....which one is genuine, and which one isn't :confused:

Thanks for the link Shadow :) Thats the beauty of it, you will never know. I am satisfied with the facts and the answeres I got from those directly involved, but you, keep fishing and mulling over each and every interview over and over etc... What difference does it make now! Scott has his thing -Alter Bridge has theirs!

[Bridge of Clay]

wasn't this thread dead back in June?!

[Shadow]

wasn't this thread dead back in June?!
Until a know-it-all showed up. But Marcos, you and I know about that don't we?

[RMadd]

article from the 105.7 The Point? representing the Big Lou!!!!!!!!!!

[Bridge of Clay]

Until a know-it-all showed up. But Marcos, you and I know about that don't we?
:D

[The Lithium]

Go Mark

[Kimvan]

My Opinion here only:

If the split was because one member didn't seem focused, think for a second what a divorce is like? Then think for another second What being a single Father is like? Think about probably how many times his son cried for him, because he didn't want him to leave, but he had to go because it was the way he provided.

Then think about all the other things going on stalking, death threats, other businesses, bashings by crazy people. I wouldn't be focused either.

I don't know what happened, but seems like friends left one that was truly in need of support and understanding, after I saw the interview of everyone blaming Scott. He is only human and they were more than friends in my opinion they were family, and family takes the good with the bad on all occasions.

If Creed is over that is one thing..it's a band..Starting over with new ideas and sharing them is a good thing. But I don't think it should take presedence over Love for one another and the family. The human side of the issue should always come first.

Excellent post! I agree.. :)

[ctfan]

Thats the beauty of it, you will never know. I am satisfied with the facts and the answeres I got from those directly involved, but you, keep fishing and mulling over each and every interview over and over etc... What difference does it make now! Scott has his thing -Alter Bridge has theirs!

HUH..... :confused: You got some kind of problem or what??? I replied to this thread on 6-15. If your so satisfied with what you got, what difference would it make to you what I said back then.

Jeez, some people :wtf:

[Joge78]

Colin,

Excellent. That is amazing.... the people that you count on the most - most of the time will let you down...

[TeriB19]

Thats the beauty of it, you will never know. I am satisfied with the facts and the answeres I got from those directly involved, but you, keep fishing and mulling over each and every interview over and over etc... What difference does it make now! Scott has his thing -Alter Bridge has theirs!

Cyndeelou, while I can appreciate the fact that you are Brian's sister-in-law, I do think it's very rude of you to flaunt your inside connection as you have been in the manner in which you've done it. It's great that you know and we don't. However, your attitude of "I know something you don't, nyah nyah" is really irritating. If you have no intention of posting the truth, please don't lord it over peoples' heads to make yourself feel important. It's really not flattering.

By the way, I'm NOT taking anyones' side in this issue but my own. I just think your attitude is childish.

[musiclover291]

Cyndeelou, while I can appreciate the fact that you are Brian's sister-in-law, I do think it's very rude of you to flaunt your inside connection as you have been in the manner in which you've done it. It's great that you know and we don't. However, your attitude of "I know something you don't, nyah nyah" is really irritating. If you have no intention of posting the truth, please don't lord it over peoples' heads to make yourself feel important. It's really not flattering.

By the way, I'm NOT taking anyones' side in this issue but my own. I just think your attitude is childish.

Thank you for your post I couldn't agree more as a fan of Creed I wish both sides the best and hope they have great futures ahead of them both AB and Stapp and family members posting negative information on boards which are here as a forum for the fans is childish.

[Joge78]

Did I miss something here. Family members are saying negative things on the website?

[The Lithium]

Did I miss something here. Family members are saying negative things on the website?
You see, there's like 2 sides between the Scott Stapp and Alter Bridge/Mark Tremonti fans. This is both sides fault, but in my opinion the Stapp fans are the most freaky ones. Most of the AB fans are/will supporting/support Stapp, but some won't and I think that's alright. But well, the Stapp fans are even talking 100% bullshit about Mark and AB, which is NOT TURE!!!

Personally I'm one of those who stands on both sides, the AB fans are okay with it, but the Stapp fans ain't. "Be 100% Stapp, or leave". So I'm not posting at a messboard for Scott anymore, they're too childish.

But this far I like Alter Bridge and One Day Remains WAY better than Scott Stapp and Relearn Love, but I'm a little metal-head, so it makes sense. RL is still a very good song!!

[farmgirl]

Most of the AB fans are/will supporting/support Stapp, but some won't and I think that's alright. But well, the Stapp fans are even talking 100% bullshit about Mark and AB, which is NOT TURE!!!

...the AB fans are okay with it, but the Stapp fans ain't. "Be 100% Stapp, or leave". So I'm not posting at a messboard for Scott anymore, they're too childish.





You obviously haven't been to the VH1 AB board or Creedpit. Many AB fans talk crap about Stapp too and alot of it is untrue.

[TeriB19]

You see, there's like 2 sides between the Scott Stapp and Alter Bridge/Mark Tremonti fans. This is both sides fault, but in my opinion the Stapp fans are the most freaky ones. Most of the AB fans are/will supporting/support Stapp, but some won't and I think that's alright. But well, the Stapp fans are even talking 100% bullshit about Mark and AB, which is NOT TURE!!!
This isn't a point I'm even talking about. I'm talking about the comments made by Brian's family members who feel the need to throw their inside connections in the faces of everyone on this board, pro-Mark or pro-Stapp. It's very annoying to come here and read things like:
I know what happened and I'm not telling.
I know and you don't.
I've got the real story but I'm not sharing.

It's very irritating to see them say things like:
Thats the beauty of it, you will never know. I am satisfied with the facts and the answeres I got from those directly involved, but you, keep fishing and mulling over each and every interview over and over etc...

I'm not saying these people shouldn't post, but I do feel they should be a little more mature about it.

[DangerousDan85]

Most of the AB fans are/will supporting/support Stapp, but some won't and I think that's alright.

LMAO!!!

:roll:

that's the funniest thing I've heard all week

[Shadow]

Thank you for your post Teri :)

[cyndeelouwho]

My Opinion here only:

If the split was because one member didn't seem focused, think for a second what a divorce is like? Then think for another second What being a single Father is like? Think about probably how many times his son cried for him, because he didn't want him to leave, but he had to go because it was the way he provided.

Then think about all the other things going on stalking, death threats, other businesses, bashings by crazy people. I wouldn't be focused either.

I don't know what happened, but seems like friends left one that was truly in need of support and understanding, after I saw the interview of everyone blaming Scott. He is only human and they were more than friends in my opinion they were family, and family takes the good with the bad on all occasions.

If Creed is over that is one thing..it's a band..Starting over with new ideas and sharing them is a good thing. But I don't think it should take presedence over Love for one another and the family. The human side of the issue should always come first. IN MY OPINION:He is a single father by choice! Hillary loves her son! When she was down and suicidal he used it against her to gain full custody. She cant let the world know her side because he would sue the living hell out of her.The family was shaken when Scott decided he didn't want to share the Pie! The family unit was broke up when he threw the FOUNDING MEMBER out on his ass. And as for providing a living for Jagger,,,,,well he never has to sing another note in his life and he would still live comfortably,,,,that is if he keeps off the pain killers.

[cyndeelouwho]

Cyndeelou, while I can appreciate the fact that you are Brian's sister-in-law, I do think it's very rude of you to flaunt your inside connection as you have been in the manner in which you've done it. It's great that you know and we don't. However, your attitude of "I know something you don't, nyah nyah" is really irritating. If you have no intention of posting the truth, please don't lord it over peoples' heads to make yourself feel important. It's really not flattering.

By the way, I'm NOT taking anyones' side in this issue but my own. I just think your attitude is childish. I only stated that to a person who was extremely derrogative to AB members. I know nothing more than the truth and when I see people trying to put down Mark, Flip, Brian and Myles efforts JUST BECAUSE they want to stay loyal to SCOTT it sickens me. There is no competition. If you read my posts you will see that I wish nothing but the best for Scott. I have posted the truth,,,but I too dont need to be sued! Do I like him,,,,no! I hope he will wake up and see how many lives he has devastated. I have prayed for him everyday since Brian left CREED. Luckily my prayers for Mark and Flip were answered and the guys are friends again. Scott said alot of horrible things about my flesh and blood sister. He had and still has the opportunity to set things right with everyone but he wont. It is his choice. I am not special. Hell, I live in NJ with my four children on a mini farm. My big excitement is trying to guess when the rooster will crow. Like I once told Scott, FAME FADES I dont gain a dam thing from any of this. I am proud of my brother in laws musical talent and his integrity. When people ask Brian about Scott his reply is NO COMMENT!

[musiclover291]

IN MY OPINION:He is a single father by choice! Hillary loves her son! When she was down and suicidal he used it against her to gain full custody. She cant let the world know her side because he would sue the living hell out of her.The family was shaken when Scott decided he didn't want to share the Pie! The family unit was broke up when he threw the FOUNDING MEMBER out on his ass. And as for providing a living for Jagger,,,,,well he never has to sing another note in his life and he would still live comfortably,,,,that is if he keeps off the pain killers.

Again I can't express my outrage by your comments on a public board regarding Stapp's son and ex. As a fan of Creed I do not think this is a place to air Stapp's dirty laundry. It is not our business and I pray for you I hope your comment's regarding Stapp's son and ex are deleted off the board so that it is not spread to other boards this is innocent child and Stapp is trying to protect him it is not a place for his parent's dirty laundry to be air out I think you need to Relearn Love and think about your faith because you seem to have alot of anger.

[Ann Allusion]

Cyndeelouwho...why did you do that? post such information on a public bb?
you, with your connections should KNOW BETTER....sorry, you have a problem with what people say about Brian...but your brother-in-law has the right idea with the NO COMMENT thing...maybe you should follow his lead...

This is about the music...AB's and stapp's....not about their personal lives any more than THEY wish to share...it is not up to family or friends to strike with something that is no body's business but their own.

sad you felt you had to do what you did...i'll pray for you that you can find forgiveness in your heart, and just let things take care of themselves.

[farmgirl]

I only stated that to a person who was extremely derrogative to AB members. I know nothing more than the truth and when I see people trying to put down Mark, Flip, Brian and Myles efforts JUST BECAUSE they want to stay loyal to SCOTT it sickens me. There is no competition. If you read my posts you will see that I wish nothing but the best for Scott. I have posted the truth,,,but I too dont need to be sued! Do I like him,,,,no! I hope he will wake up and see how many lives he has devastated. I have prayed for him everyday since Brian left CREED. Luckily my prayers for Mark and Flip were answered and the guys are friends again. Scott said alot of horrible things about my flesh and blood sister. He had and still has the opportunity to set things right with everyone but he wont. It is his choice. I am not special. Hell, I live in NJ with my four children on a mini farm. My big excitement is trying to guess when the rooster will crow. Like I once told Scott, FAME FADES I dont gain a dam thing from any of this. I am proud of my brother in laws musical talent and his integrity. When people ask Brian about Scott his reply is NO COMMENT!

Just because you are a family member gives you no right to post personal details of this kind here for everyone to read. It should not be aired here and you have no tact whatsoever. :mad:

[musiclover291]

Cyndeelouwho...why did you do that? post such information on a public bb?
you, with your connections should KNOW BETTER....sorry, you have a problem with what people say about Brian...but your brother-in-law has the right idea with the NO COMMENT thing...maybe you should follow his lead...

This is about the music...AB's and stapp's....not about their personal lives any more than THEY wish to share...it is not up to family or friends to strike with something that is no body's business but their own.

sad you felt you had to do what you did...i'll pray for you that you can find forgiveness in your heart, and just let things take care of themselves.

Thank you for your post I was so upset by what I read your right this is about the music but I am so upset by this AB needs to inform family members to keep personal business off the board it is really tacky I was trying to support both AB and Stapp because I love Creed as a group but know I am having second thoughts even reconsidering buying tickets to see them in concert because some how the music has been lost and become personal and as a consumer I can't support this. Jagger and Stapp's ex don't deserve for there family business to be aired in public and AB has to know what is going on. Michael views these boards all the time and some of his comments have me guessing.

[Ann Allusion]

musiclover291...((hug))...you're welcome.

[The Lithium]

You obviously haven't been to the VH1 AB board or Creedpit. Many AB fans talk crap about Stapp too and alot of it is untrue.
I've been there man!! I'm posting at Alter-Bridge/Tremonti.net!! Most of the guys HATE Stapp over there, and talk shit about him. But what I'm saying is that they're totally okay with the fact that I still like him and will support him. But the Stapp fans weren't okay with the fact that I loved Mark and AB when I tried to post at the PBF board.

[The Lithium]

LMAO!!!

:roll:

that's the funniest thing I've heard all week
I'm glad I'm bringing you joy man, but I can't see why!! :confused: Over at ABR almost everyone will still support Stapp even if they're AB diehards!

[cyndeelouwho]

I wasnt the one who brought it up. Why is it okay for strangers to speculate and post things they have no idea about but it is wrong for me to tell the truth?

[cyndeelouwho]

Stapp himself brought his dirty laundry to all of you by bringing up the fact that he is a single father in all his interviews. By making people think that his sons mother has nothing to do with her child. That is SAD. That was wrong! I would like nothing more than for his family to reunite and I hope all of you pray that it does for his sake, maybe then he could heal the wounds with everyone and start making music again. You need to look at the big picture and no just take one smidgen of a comment without looking at why it was posted. I am not here to BASH STAPP. I am here as a fan too,,,,just like anyone else. Obviously I am not liked because I do not post speculation or rumors. I wish it all could go back to the way it was in the beginning.

[cyndeelouwho]

I've been there man!! I'm posting at Alter-Bridge/Tremonti.net!! Most of the guys HATE Stapp over there, and talk shit about him. But what I'm saying is that they're totally okay with the fact that I still like him and will support him. But the Stapp fans weren't okay with the fact that I loved Mark and AB when I tried to post at the PBF board. THAT IS THE GODS HONEST TRUTH! I don't care if people like Scott Stapp,,,,just dont put others down to raise him up.

[cyndeelouwho]

This isn't a point I'm even talking about. I'm talking about the comments made by Brian's family members who feel the need to throw their inside connections in the faces of everyone on this board, pro-Mark or pro-Stapp. It's very annoying to come here and read things like:
I know what happened and I'm not telling.
I know and you don't.
I've got the real story but I'm not sharing.

It's very irritating to see them say things like:Warning

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Cyndeelouwho:
This is just a warning to keep private info off the public message boards. While it is understood that there will always be people who will remain loyal to each side, it is not necessary to use your position in the bands' inner circle to publicly air anyone's dirty laundry. Display a modicum of self-control in your anger towards Scott or you will be banned.
Teri
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I'm not saying these people shouldn't post, but I do feel they should be a little more mature about it. In my opinion what I posted was common knowledge to many,,,not just family members. You want to ban me go right ahead. Police reports and divorce decrees and the like are public information. If you would all stop looking for blame of the breakup and just thank your God you even had the chance to enjoy the music while it lasted you might be a little happier. I am sure Mr. Stapp wont disappoint his fans and will put out music for you all to enjoy, just give it some time and stop mulling over the breakup. Whats done is done. I wont however sit back and read the bullcrap rumor speculation without redirecting it to the truth of the matter. If you dont like that,,,,,then I guess I should be banned. I don't know why people think there are sides to any of this. This is NOT a competition or a war. These are people's real lives. Maybe thats what many of you cant deal with,,,,the fact that the fantasy doesnt match reality.

[Shadow]

I wish it all could go back to the way it was in the beginning.
Me too.

[musiclover291]

In my opinion what I posted was common knowledge to many,,,not just family members. You want to ban me go right ahead. Police reports and divorce decrees and the like are public information. If you would all stop looking for blame of the breakup and just thank your God you even had the chance to enjoy the music while it lasted you might be a little happier. I am sure Mr. Stapp wont disappoint his fans and will put out music for you all to enjoy, just give it some time and stop mulling over the breakup. Whats done is done. I wont however sit back and read the bullcrap rumor speculation without redirecting it to the truth of the matter. If you dont like that,,,,,then I guess I should be banned. I don't know why people think there are sides to any of this. This is NOT a competition or a war. These are people's real lives. Maybe thats what many of you cant deal with,,,,the fact that the fantasy doesnt match reality.

The information you posted regarding Stapp's ex and son is not common knowledge to many. Stapp has never stated the reason for his divorce or information about his ex. He justed stated in the interviews that he is a single father and that his ex elected not be in his son's life. He has never said a bad word about his ex. You have no regard to a innocent boy that has to go to school and you spreading this type of information may bring harm to him. You are making it hard for not only Stapp but AB in general because it makes them look bad. All personal informtion regarding band members need to be left out. In addition I wonder why Stapp's family members or not on public boards bashing AB unlike Mark's brother Michael and Brian's Aunt again as a consumer I have to really rethink my loyalty to AB because it's not just about the music they have made it very personal and there characters come into question in my opinion.

[cyndeelouwho]

Good bye and farewell!

[johellion]

The information you posted regarding Stapp's ex and son is not common knowledge to many. Stapp has never stated the reason for his divorce or information about his ex. He justed stated in the interviews that he is a single father and that his ex elected not be in his son's life. He has never said a bad word about his ex. You have no regard to a innocent boy that has to go to school and you spreading this type of information may bring harm to him. You are making it hard for not only Stapp but AB in general because it makes them look bad. All personal informtion regarding band members need to be left out. In addition I wonder why Stapp's family members or not on public boards bashing AB unlike Mark's brother Michael and Brian's Aunt again as a consumer I have to really rethink my loyalty to AB because it's not just about the music they have made it very personal and there characters come into question in my opinion.

Music lover.....Please STOP!!!! I am tired of my name being brought up in here!! I never air dirty launday in here!!!! NO Stapp is not my favorite person....but I wish him well....but YOU and others need to realize he is not a GOD, but a person.....AB and Stapp are gonna be fine!!!! Just remember CREED is not a band anymore....I don't understand why this board is still here!!! It needs to be changed to StappFeed or something of that nature..Micheal is a very nice person leave him alone too..!!! And as far as Stapps family!!! This is the internet!!!! Trust me they are everywhere!!! You just don't know it~~ Peace :D

[musiclover291]

Music lover.....Please STOP!!!! I am tired of my name being brought up in here!! I never air dirty launday in here!!!! NO Stapp is not my favorite person....but I wish him well....but YOU and others need to realize he is not a GOD, but a person.....AB and Stapp are gonna be fine!!!! Just remember CREED is not a band anymore....I don't understand why this board is still here!!! It needs to be changed to StappFeed or something of that nature..Micheal is a very nice person leave him alone too..!!! And as far as Stapps family!!! This is the internet!!!! Trust me they are everywhere!!! You just don't know it~~ Peace :D

Stapp is no way God and I know that. I am not saying Michael is a bad person at all and I have to again state that I have to question my loyalty to AB as a band because in the beginning I felt about the break up that it was probably fault on both sides and I wish them all the best but it seems to be something wrong when Michael has given unnecessary information regarding Stapp and Brian's Aunt is giving unncessary information regarding Stapp's ex and son in my viewpoint something is not right and sorry to say it hurt's AB characters because family members are representing AB. I wish for both AB and Stapp that all personal information was left out because AB and Stapp are very talented and it should be about the music. Maybe I am talking today with very high emotions but I really have to think about how I feel about AB members and sorry you don't agree but maybe we can agree to disgree.

Thanks.

[johellion]

Stapp is no way God and I know that. I am not saying Michael is a bad person at all and I have to again state that I have to question my loyalty to AB as a band because in the beginning I felt about the break up that it was probably fault on both sides and I wish them all the best but it seems to be something wrong when Michael has given unnecessary information regarding Stapp and Brian's Aunt is giving unncessary information regarding Stapp's ex and son in my viewpoint something is not right and sorry to say it hurt's AB characters because family members are representing AB. I wish for both AB and Stapp that all personal information was left out because AB and Stapp are very talented and it should be about the music. Maybe I am talking today with very high emotions but I really have to think about how I feel about AB members and sorry you don't agree but maybe we can agree to disgree.

Thanks.

I am Brian's aunt....I don't ever remember saying anything about his ex or Jagger....I don't know anything about that...except they are divorced.....and that is not somethng that I would talk about anyway...because ..Frankly..I don't care.I am not one to gossip. I just like to correct wrong information if I KNOW it is wrong, and as far as Stapp is concerned I have said some things, but it is always the truth....there are many things I know..that I will not talk about, it is not my place. I think u are getting me mixed up with Cindylouwho.. for some reason people think I am her....

[Shadow]

johellion, you and I have butted heads - but I will say in your defense you have never brought anything personal into it (in regard to Scott's personal life). I think this thread has gotten out of hand and the master lock needs to be brought in.

[musiclover291]

I am Brian's aunt....I don't ever remember saying anything about his ex or Jagger....I don't know anything about that...except they are divorced.....and that is not somethng that I would talk about anyway...because ..Frankly..I don't care.I am not one to gossip. I just like to correct wrong information if I KNOW it is wrong, and as far as Stapp is concerned I have said some things, but it is always the truth....there are many things I know..that I will not talk about, it is not my place. I think u are getting me mixed up with Cindylouwho.. for some reason people think I am her....

Sorry I was refering to Cindylouwho not you again sorry for the mix up. Well I think I have said enough on the issue and I can get back to being a fan to both Stapp and AB I hope for both sides these personal attacks on the BB can stop because at the end of the day they are only human.

[TeriB19]

1. A private message is supposed to be just that, private. It was not meant to be shared on the public forum. That was a warning to YOU personally. Contrary to YOUR belief, not everyone on this board raises Scott up to a godlike level. There are those of us who will continue to support both sides, and we do not need to be chastised by you or anyone else for how we feel.

2. Apparently, in your opinion, everyone in the free world knows about what happened in Scott's private life. However, in reality, there are those that DON'T and there are those who don't care to know. So what is being asked of you is that you stop throwing your inside information on all that was Creed around as if everyone knew it already.

3. Not everyone is looking for blame here, so don't generalize.

4. With respect to this comment:
I wont however sit back and read the bullcrap rumor speculation without redirecting it to the truth of the matter. If you dont like that,,,,,then I guess I should be banned.
....the problem here is that you AREN'T redirecting anything to any truth. You are fueling speculation by being evasive about the truth you claim to know. No one is disputing the fact that you're Brian's sister-in-law and have access to more info than anyone else here (save for johellion). What is in dispute is the fact that you keep going on and on about how Stapp's life was a mess and how bad Stapp treated everyone and Stapp this and Stapp that, but whatever the REAL truth is, you seem to take pleasure in dancing around it, dropping little crumbs that you don't care to expand upon, and then watching everyone else argue.

5. With respect to this comment:
I wasnt the one who brought it up. Why is it okay for strangers to speculate and post things they have no idea about but it is wrong for me to tell the truth?
WHAT TRUTH?? I ask you, what truth have you told here????? Aside from the 'common knowledge' of Stapp's life, what exactly is the truth you claim to have enlightened us with??
6. Lastly, with regard to these comments:
Stapp himself brought his dirty laundry to all of you by bringing up the fact that he is a single father in all his interviews. By making people think that his sons mother has nothing to do with her child. That is SAD. That was wrong!
Stapp never mentioned anything about his former wifes personal problems, you chose to make that known. And since you are the one judging him, "That was wrong" does that give you the authority to come to a public forum and get the real word out? I don't think so.

You need to look at the big picture and no just take one smidgen of a comment without looking at why it was posted. I am not here to BASH STAPP. I am here as a fan too,,,,just like anyone else. Obviously I am not liked because I do not post speculation or rumors. I wish it all could go back to the way it was in the beginning.
YOU need to stop telling us what to do. You also need to stop bashing Stapp, then saying you're not here to bash Stapp. Pick a side of the fence and stay there. I will reiterate, I AM NOT PRO-STAPP OR PRO-AB, so please don't generalize me in with the rest of the supporters of one side or the other. You don't post speculation or rumor, you post hints that you know what is really happening, but you don't follow through with anything. Not to be graphic, but shit or get off the pot. Either tell all or don't tell anything. You certainly have no trouble telling the truth about Stapp, but when it comes to your brother-in-law, you're close-mouthed.

[TeriB19]

I don't know anything about that...except they are divorced.....and that is not somethng that I would talk about anyway...because ..Frankly..I don't care.I am not one to gossip. I just like to correct wrong information if I KNOW it is wrong, and as far as Stapp is concerned I have said some things, but it is always the truth....there are many things I know..that I will not talk about, it is not my place.
Johellion, that is exactly the point. You choose not to discuss things because you say it is not your place. We appreciate that. Thank you.

My problem here is someone who feels it IS her place to set the record straight about one member, then claim she's not here to bash that member. It's like this:

"Stapp did this, Stapp did that."

"Well what about Brian?"

"I'm not talking about Brian, that's my business not yours, now back to what Stapp did."

My mother always said, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything. I wish everyone felt that way, then it WOULD go back to the way it was.

[Dogstar]

Teri, well fricken said on all counts. I couldn't have said it better myself.