what do have you do to get to heaven?

[Wadrick]

what do have you do to get to heaven?

[JulieCitySlicker]

In order to get to heaven you must believe in your heart that Christ died for our sins and rose again...plus having Him in your heart to:angel: :angel: :angel:

[JulieCitySlicker]

Oh;) and follow His commandments:angel:

[Siana]

and be good at heart

[Wadrick]

is that all? or is there something else that you have to do? or, is there only one thing that you have to do in all? Can you loose your salvation? does man have free will or does God pick who is going to be saved?

[TeriB19]

Originally posted by Wadrick
is that all? or is there something else that you have to do? or, is there only one thing that you have to do in all? Yes, you need to sell a certain amount of candy bars for the church. Once you reach your quota, bam, your in!:D

On a more serious note, IMO, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Treat others with love and respect and I believe the gates of heaven will be opened to you.:angel:

[Bridge of Clay]

To love God and one to another.

God will judge people according to the light each one received.

[Wadrick]

All one has to do is believe that Just Christ loved us so much that he died on the Cross for our sins. We could not save ourselves. We are all sinful and in need of a perfect savior. The only way that that could happen is by a perfect human being - Jesus - died for us. All that we have to do is believe. No, we cannot loose our salvation. That doesn't mean that we can sin all we want now, we can. but we are not supposed to. God is against it. If the God and creator of the universe says something is wrong and that I hould not do it, then by gollly, I am not going to do it.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Originally posted by Wadrick
is that all? or is there something else that you have to do? or, is there only one thing that you have to do in all? Can you loose your salvation? does man have free will or does God pick who is going to be saved? I believe that it is possible to lose your salvation. I mean for example...you have sxcepted Christ and start to live in His ways but then you turn from God and go about your everyday life and act like God is nonexhistant and refuse to repent and ask for forgiveness. Then I think that is where He will draw the line. He is always there willing to forgive but if we don't ask for forgiveness then ...well you get what I mean.

[HigherGirl]

For me it would be to just follow the Ten Commandments
and believe in God, and try to be a good person..

[JenRN]

Accept Christ as your personal savior, and live by his word. I have been through several churches in my life and they all have "different" opinions on things but this seems to be one thing they all were in agreement in! We are all sinners everyday, that is a fact, but to recognize them as sins and ask for forgiveness really is the key!:angel:

[Ivan_Creed]

Ppl... basically do what God tells u 2 do! That's it.. He is the One that will c all that u do, and the One whose judgement really matters, and the One that will reward u (according 2 ur deeds)! And give Love!!!!

[souldancer]

Follow your heart..........be true to your Self.

[Siana]

Si vis ameri,ama-If you wish to be loved,love!

[Wadrick]

goodgirl - god says that nothing will seoerate us form his love. He also says that no one can snatch them (the saved ones) out of his hand.

That means that once we are saved, he cannot loose out salvation. nothing can seperate us from the love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I cant remember where the bible says that but it is there. That means that we cant loose our salvation.

[JulieCitySlicker]

Originally posted by Wadrick
goodgirl - god says that nothing will seoerate us form his love. He also says that no one can snatch them (the saved ones) out of his hand.

That means that once we are saved, he cannot loose out salvation. nothing can seperate us from the love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I cant remember where the bible says that but it is there. That means that we cant loose our salvation. Yes I do believe that nothing can separate us from God...but we can separate ourselves from Him if we choose to turn from His ways and not follow the path His set before us. What I am trying to say is that if a person accepts Christ and doesn't change his or her ways but goes on like it didn't happen than I think God sets certain standars for that. He still loves us but if we deny Him than He will deny us before His Father in Heaven:angel:

[JulieCitySlicker]

God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believe:angel:

[JulieCitySlicker]

Originally posted by JulieLovesCreed
God looks at our hearts. He knows all and sees all before it even happens. He judges us by what is inside of us...our feelings,thoughts, what we believe:angel:and how we act in this life.

[Wadrick]

i agree with all that. but god says that nothing even ourselfves can seperate us from the love that is in christ jesus our savior. that love is his free gift of salvation. btw, do you have any scripture that makes you think that we can loos our salvation?

[JulieCitySlicker]

All I am trying to say is that we all sin...right;) We need Jesus's forgiveness to be free from it. Well, If we do not ask for forgiveness and repent for what we do than how can He forgive. I kno He would like to do it on His own free will but I kno it doesn't work that way. His love and forgiveness are both unconditional but we have to want it to:angel:

[jango]

Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates...

[Dogstar]

Originally posted by jango
Slip the man a fin at the pearly gates...

:lol: :lol:

[Siana]

:P

[Lady Valkyrie]

This is a Calvinistic debate of the "Once saved always saved" point. Personally I am not a Calvinist... not in the least. And noone will ever sway me to the Calvinistic side either.

I do so hate that phrase "lose your salvation" for no you cannot "lose" salvation as you "lose" a set of car keys.

A more appropriate phrase is that "you can CHOOSE to WALK AWAY from salvation." One can certainly choose to hold a set of car keys in the palm of their hand and CHOOSE to LAY them down on a table and WALK AWAY from them.

One can accept Jesus Christ into their heart as their Lord and Savior and then they can also choose to walk away from that very same Savior.

[Wadrick]

nothing including us can seperate us from god. Romans 8:38 and 39.

we cannot walk away from it. if we do, you cannot loose it, you cannot forfeit it, it is yours forever.

[Lady Valkyrie]

Originally posted by Wadrick
nothing including us can seperate us from god. Romans 8:38 and 39.

we cannot walk away from it. if we do, you cannot loose it, you cannot forfeit it, it is yours forever.

So if in 1991 I became a christian and in 1997 I became a Wiccan am I still saved? Do I still have salvation?

[Wadrick]

yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life.

now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening.

I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it.

does that make sense? I hope so.

[JulieCitySlicker]

I'm sorry but I dissagree

[Wadrick]

why do you disagree? what verses in the bible say that you can loose your salvation?

[JulieCitySlicker]

Originally posted by Wadrick
<b>yes you are still saved. although god is not happy that you have sought some other religion, he still have your name written in the book of life.

now, Lady Valkyrie, I am not direction this at you. this is just something that i think is happening.

I thknk that people get "loosing salvation" and loosing fellowship with God" mixed up. you can loose your fellowship with God, by doing something like becoming Wiccan. but you cannot loose your savlation over it.

does that make sense? I hope so. </b> So what you are saying is that if someone becomes a christian and then the next day they sell their soul to the devil that they are still a christian:confused: I mean Hey, they were a christian first:confused: :confused: :confused:

[bgivens33]

Originally posted by Wadrick
i agree with all that. but god says that nothing even ourselfves can seperate us from the love that is in christ jesus our savior. that love is his free gift of salvation. btw, do you have any scripture that makes you think that we can loos our salvation?

Hebrews 6:4-6

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

I guess this is open for interpretation, but it seems quite straight forward to me.

[Wadrick]

yep they still are. but the probability of that person being a christian in the first place are really slim. but it happens. I know people like that. but if they were saved and actually believed in Jesus, then the next day, or down the road became a satan worshiper, they are still saved. but I think that a believer is not going to do that. if he does, then we probably was not a christian at all - he never really believed. but one who really believes and is pursaided (sp??) down the wrong path, then he is still saved, but has only lost his fellowship with god. but that can be gotten back. to do so, that person must recognize that what he is doing is wrong, and repent of his sin. god will welcome him back with arms wide open.

does that make sense? I thknk that you are mixing loosing one's fellowship with god and loosing one's salvation with god. you - noone can loose their salvation. that is all there is to it.

so what are some bible verses that lead you to believe that one can loose his salvation??

[bgivens33]

Well, I think that verse is what you are looking for. It says basically...

It is impossible for somebody who has tasted the heavenly gift and falls away to come back to repentence.

This to me isn't talking about fellowship, but I believe it's talking about salvation. And the verse goes to great length to say that this only applies to the people that were TRULY saved.

[Wadrick]

bgivens33 - very good point. i like it.

but i think that it means loosing one's fellowship with god. if one commits a sin so evil and deprave, satan propbably has a hold on him that he is not going to let go. although, god can command him to let go, if He wants to. but i believe that this is talking about loosing one's fellowship with god by commiting a sin like homosexuality.

you bring upa very good point, and i kow that this is a scripture that many hold to that beieve that you can loose your salvation. but what about al the other scriptures like - john 10:28 - 29 - "and I have given them eternal life, and they shall never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My Fathers hand. My Father who has given them to Me, is geater then all.; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Fathers hand." Jesus is talking to the jews and he says plainly - "...no one will snatch them out of My or My Fathers hand."

And what about Romans 8:38 - 39 - "For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to seperate us from the love which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." I believe that is is saying that you cannot loose our salvtion. God does not love the lost sinners. but he does love the saved. now, if one can loose his fellowship with god, then he is still saved and therefore, still has the love of Christ in him. therefore, I believe that no one can loose their salvation, only their fellowship with god.

does that make sense?

[Wadrick]

just read my next one.

i think that i have explained it well.

[JulieCitySlicker]

I really respect your opinion Wadrick:angel: Not everyone is going to agree all the time on everything:D

[Wadrick]

Thanks. I know that not everyone is going to agree with me. that is part of this "wonderful thing called life" - Prince.

Now, I am going to say somethingn that may make you angry, but please don't take it that way. Please don't be angry. I don't need more enemies on this board.

I do not respect your opinion because I think that it is wrong. However, I thank you for what you said that you respect my opinion. But if you do not believe what I say to be true, but rather idsagree with it, then you don't have to respect it. I kow that the whole "I respect your opinion" is just said out of politness when in reality, we don't respect it at all because we do not believe it to be true.

Now, with all that said, let me say this: I like you. I think that you are great individual, one who thinks and is intelligent. I don't whant this to turn into a war between us, I just want this to be friendly debating. I don't want to get on you bad side. I don't hate you or anything like that. I just believe what I believe.

Now, bgivens33 posted an excellent point. One that I combatted and in my mind disproved his interpretation. However, he may not agree with me and that is fine. But he is the only one who has given me verses to support your (or anyone's) belief that you can loose your salvation. WhatI said in my respnse, I think, covers all that. I believe that that is talking about loosing one's fellowship and not one's salvation .

But please shoot me back some verses that you hold to (that you can loose you salvation), so thatI can understand where you are coming from. I have given you verses, so you should be able to understand me. However, you have only told me what you think, which should definately not be what our presuppositions are based on.

I hope that this makes sesne and that you understand where I am coming from. All of my posts about the war in Iraq and all of that have not been combatted with facts from the other side. they only say stuff like, "You're wrong," or, "Whatever," or anything else that they can think of. I am the only one who has given facts that they are not able to argue justly with. That is what I am saying. Give me facts )verses) that you think prove that you can loose you salvation.

Not to be in - your - face or anything like that, but I just hope that you understand me and will nbot hold a grudge.

Hear from you later.

Wadrick ;) :angel: :bounce: :bounce: :cool: :)

[JulieCitySlicker]

Originally posted by Wadrick
<b>Thanks. I know that not everyone is going to agree with me. that is part of this "wonderful thing called life" - Prince.

Now, I am going to say somethingn that may make you angry, but please don't take it that way. Please don't be angry. I don't need more enemies on this board.

I do not respect your opinion because I think that it is wrong. However, I thank you for what you said that you respect my opinion. But if you do not believe what I say to be true, but rather idsagree with it, then you don't have to respect it. I kow that the whole "I respect your opinion" is just said out of politness when in reality, we don't respect it at all because we do not believe it to be true.

Now, with all that said, let me say this: I like you. I think that you are great individual, one who thinks and is intelligent. I don't whant this to turn into a war between us, I just want this to be friendly debating. I don't want to get on you bad side. I don't hate you or anything like that. I just believe what I believe.

Now, bgivens33 posted an excellent point. One that I combatted and in my mind disproved his interpretation. However, he may not agree with me and that is fine. But he is the only one who has given me verses to support your (or anyone's) belief that you can loose your salvation. WhatI said in my respnse, I think, covers all that. I believe that that is talking about loosing one's fellowship and not one's salvation . &nbsp;

But please shoot me back some verses that you hold to (that you can loose you salvation), so thatI can understand where you are coming from. I have given you verses, so you should be able to understand me. However, you have only told me what you think, which should definately not be what our presuppositions are based on.

I hope that this makes sesne and that you understand where I am coming from. All of my posts about the war in Iraq and all of that have not been combatted with facts from the other side. they only say stuff like, "You're wrong," or, "Whatever," or anything else that they can think of. I am the only one who has given facts that they are not able to argue justly with. That is what I am saying. Give me facts )verses) that you think prove that you can loose you salvation. &nbsp;

Not to be in - your - face or anything like that, but I just hope that you understand me and will nbot hold a grudge.

Hear from you later.

Wadrick ;) :angel: :bounce: :bounce: :cool: :) </b> Thats fine...you don't have to respect my opinion.

[Wadrick]

cool. but what sre your verses?

[RMadd]

I believe that only two things are essential for salvation.
1) Baptism into God's family
2) A firm belief that Christ is my Savior, and that he died in my place for my sins.
Aside from that, I feel that works and good deeds, though integral to a Christian's actions (if he/she truly believes in Christ), are not required for one's salvation or passage into heaven.

[souldancer]

"to get to heaven" - I believe it's not about no verses, scriptures or dogma...it's about getting in touch with the inner peace - the Divine and acting on those beliefs.

[souldancer]

Sp. basically....I belive - you just need "to be"

[bgivens33]

Originally posted by BearFan
I believe that only two things are essential for salvation. &nbsp;
1) Baptism into God's family
2) A firm belief that Christ is my Savior, and that he died in my place for my sins.
Aside from that, I feel that works and good deeds, though integral to a Christian's actions (if he/she truly believes in Christ), are not required for one's salvation or passage into heaven.

Wouldn't Baptism be a work?

[ZION1010]

Anybodey that Shall Call Up On The Lord Thy God Shall Be Saved The point is you Must Belive With All Your Heart N Soul Not To Be Lukewarm If You belive in christ without the love of christ you will go back >.those who our pure of heart mink with Child like Faith Many Our Called But Few Our Chosen The babtism Is For Those Who Seek If you Have Found The Lord Your GOD It Really Is not Asked Of Him To Do So

[RMadd]

Originally posted by bgivens33
Wouldn't Baptism be a work?

Baptism is not a "work." It's a choice you make (or your parents make for you if you're too young). By "works" I meant more along the lines of helping old ladies cross the street, building houses for Mexicans, working in the Salvation Army Soup Kitchen, stuff like that. "Good deeds" is a better phrase, I suppose.

[bgivens33]

I've always considered a work to be an "outward expression of faith". And why is baptism necessary?

[Northerner]

Its an act of obedience towards Christ. Also, and equally imporatant it is a way of professing your faith in a great way. My baptism certificate says this- "In obedience to Christ's command and on profession of repentance toward God and faith in Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord."
Being baptized doesn't save you though. It's an expression of your faith. BTW I don't beleive in child baptism

[Samuel]

You do not have to be baptized to be saved.The sinner next to Jesus just believed on Him while he and Jesus were hanging on the cross.Luke 23:39-43.

[ZION1010]

Yes Amen the thife said will you Rembear me when you entrer your kingdome He said this words that make me cry still today you shall be with me n paradise jesus rocks

[Torn Signs]

in answer to the question, believe, believe in the Almighty himself and in his son Jesus Christ-and admit you sin and that the Lord is your leader, your mentor in a way-there enough of that talk

[Julbright]

Christ said no one comes to the Father but through me. Lead a Christ like life - he spent his time on earth teaching us by word and example - that is what we are supposed to do.

[Torn Signs]

u have to believe in his son also

[ZION1010]

IF YOU BELIVE IN CHRIST YOU ALSO BELIVE IN GOD JESUS CHRIST IS KING OF KINGs AND LORD OF LORDS

[Torn Signs]

ok, I'll just let you lead the way since you know more than me

[ZION1010]

Bottome line To me this is not a religon Its just the way God told Me It was he has Never lied We Had a god That loved Us so much That He Formed Himself To Take Mankinds Temptation Pain Hungern Strife The greataset sacrafice would Be To show The world how much He loved theme Would be The sacrafice of his own Son Jesus christ Many times the people Thought he was Elijsha Reborn He tried So many times n Parable after parable To Tell theme who he was They Didnt Get It He Talked to The father in the bible He Left The Holy Ghost n Heaven This Is the father Of jesus his own Spirt When He died they became one There Is no Other gods beside me Jesus christ is king of kings and lord of Lords We all play a sherade To reach The lost My Jesus Played the Biggest One of All god bless you song for thought iris GOO GOO DOLLS

[facelessman]

You must be born again

[MrSeeker]

Most people think Christianity is a religion,its not,its just simply believing Jesus Christ came,died,and has risen again. Nothing else matters