Chavez: U.S. Has Lost in Iraq

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188756,00.html
Here's what South America's new favorite dictator has to say about things:

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday that U.S. troops have been routed by a strong resistance movement in Iraq, but haven't pulled out because officials in Washington won't acknowledge defeat.

The United States would also suffer a tremendous military defeat if the Bush administration decided to invade Iran, Chavez told a group of foreign diplomats and government supporters at the Miraflores Presidential Palace.

"The U.S. empire is defeated in Iraq, they just don't want to admit it," Chavez said to rousing applause.

Using a Venezuelan slur to refer to President Bush, Chavez added: "Mr. Donkey thought they were going to be received as heroes."

"God forbid they dare to attack Iran," he said. "We want peace, but they would eat twice as much of the dust of defeat there, I'm absolutely sure of that."

Earlier Tuesday, Chavez defended Iran's nuclear program, accusing the Bush administration of falsely accusing Iran of trying to build an atomic bomb as a pretext for seizing control of the Middle Eastern nation's vast petroleum reserves.

"You know that one of the most serious problems the world has today is the energy problem, so much so that the North American empire has invaded Iraq just to look for oil and now threatens Iran because of oil," Chavez said in a nationally televised speech, referring to the United States. "It's an excuse by the empire, looking for energy."

"I'm completely sure that it's absolutely false that the Iranian government is developing an atomic bomb. It's the United States that has atomic bombs," he added.

U.S. officials believe Tehran is using its nuclear energy program as a cover for producing a nuclear weapon. They have criticized Venezuela's increasingly close ties with Iran, which include projects such as a joint $200 million development fund.

Twenty-seven of the 35 members of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, voted in January to refer Iran to the Security Council over concerns about its nuclear program. Venezuela, Cuba and Syria voted against it, and the rest abstained.

Chavez said developed countries such as the United States, France and Germany want to maintain a monopoly on nuclear technology by denying it to developing countries like his own.

Venezuela — the world's fifth-largest oil exporter — is studying the possibility of using nuclear power to generate electricity.

Chavez's comments came on the heels of a speech Monday night in which he warned that if U.S. troops were to invade any Latin American country, "revolutionaries" from across the region would join forces to battle the Americans.

Chavez's remark confirmed what many in Venezuela have long presumed: that his government would go to the aid of a close ally like Cuba in the hypothetical scenario of the U.S. sending troops.

Although U.S. officials dismiss his claims as outlandish and say they have no plans to attack Cuba, Chavez insists his country must be on guard to face any potential U.S. military attack.

The Venezuelan leader said the U.S. "should know that if it wants or someday decides ... to invade any of our countries — be it Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, today, tomorrow or the next day — we would be there gathering together the revolutionaries to do battle with weapons in hand against U.S. imperialism."

The United States has accused Chavez of trying to export his socialist "revolution" to neighboring countries, saying he is a destabilizing force in the region.

Chavez argues he poses no threat, saying Washington is the one with a history of invading countries from Iraq to Panama.

Despite political tensions between Chavez's government and Washington, Venezuela still sells the largest share of its oil to the United States.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188756,00.html
Here's what South America's new favorite dictator has to say about things:

CARACAS, Venezuela — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday that U.S. troops have been routed by a strong resistance movement in Iraq, but haven't pulled out because officials in Washington won't acknowledge defeat.

The United States would also suffer a tremendous military defeat if the Bush administration decided to invade Iran, Chavez told a group of foreign diplomats and government supporters at the Miraflores Presidential Palace.

"The U.S. empire is defeated in Iraq, they just don't want to admit it," Chavez said to rousing applause.

Using a Venezuelan slur to refer to President Bush, Chavez added: "Mr. Donkey thought they were going to be received as heroes."

"God forbid they dare to attack Iran," he said. "We want peace, but they would eat twice as much of the dust of defeat there, I'm absolutely sure of that."

Earlier Tuesday, Chavez defended Iran's nuclear program, accusing the Bush administration of falsely accusing Iran of trying to build an atomic bomb as a pretext for seizing control of the Middle Eastern nation's vast petroleum reserves.

"You know that one of the most serious problems the world has today is the energy problem, so much so that the North American empire has invaded Iraq just to look for oil and now threatens Iran because of oil," Chavez said in a nationally televised speech, referring to the United States. "It's an excuse by the empire, looking for energy."

"I'm completely sure that it's absolutely false that the Iranian government is developing an atomic bomb. It's the United States that has atomic bombs," he added.

U.S. officials believe Tehran is using its nuclear energy program as a cover for producing a nuclear weapon. They have criticized Venezuela's increasingly close ties with Iran, which include projects such as a joint $200 million development fund.

Twenty-seven of the 35 members of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog, voted in January to refer Iran to the Security Council over concerns about its nuclear program. Venezuela, Cuba and Syria voted against it, and the rest abstained.

Chavez said developed countries such as the United States, France and Germany want to maintain a monopoly on nuclear technology by denying it to developing countries like his own.

Venezuela — the world's fifth-largest oil exporter — is studying the possibility of using nuclear power to generate electricity.

Chavez's comments came on the heels of a speech Monday night in which he warned that if U.S. troops were to invade any Latin American country, "revolutionaries" from across the region would join forces to battle the Americans.

Chavez's remark confirmed what many in Venezuela have long presumed: that his government would go to the aid of a close ally like Cuba in the hypothetical scenario of the U.S. sending troops.

Although U.S. officials dismiss his claims as outlandish and say they have no plans to attack Cuba, Chavez insists his country must be on guard to face any potential U.S. military attack.

The Venezuelan leader said the U.S. "should know that if it wants or someday decides ... to invade any of our countries — be it Venezuela, Cuba, Bolivia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, today, tomorrow or the next day — we would be there gathering together the revolutionaries to do battle with weapons in hand against U.S. imperialism."

The United States has accused Chavez of trying to export his socialist "revolution" to neighboring countries, saying he is a destabilizing force in the region.

Chavez argues he poses no threat, saying Washington is the one with a history of invading countries from Iraq to Panama.

Despite political tensions between Chavez's government and Washington, Venezuela still sells the largest share of its oil to the United States.

Chavez is a clown in South America....he wont have the support to export his 'revolution' ...actually I heard that Washington wants the Brazilian President ( Lula) support to avoid this kind of thing...

[Chase]

He's a joke and thinks he's Castro. All he's going to do is run Venezuela into the ground just like Castro did to Cuba.

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He's a joke and thinks he's Castro. All he's going to do is run Venezuela into the ground just like Castro did to Cuba.

You know...Castro at least was original...while Chavez is a copy...

But be sure he has no power in South America...its just the opposite: lots of leaders here are repeling (?) his ideas...:eek:


Just an interesting note: We are agreeeing about this issue!!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!!!! :D


LOL

[Chase]

You know...Castro at least was original...while Chavez is a copy...

But be sure he has no power in South America...its just the opposite: lots of leaders here are repeling (?) his ideas...:eek:


Just an interesting note: We are agreeeing about this issue!!!!! Unbelievable!!!!!!!! :D


LOL

Castro was a latino Stalin as far as I'm concerned. Maybe a little less brutal, but then again... who knows how he would've acted if he control more than just one small island?

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Castro was a latino Stalin as far as I'm concerned. Maybe a little less brutal, but then again... who knows how he would've acted if he control more than just one small island?


Okay...okay...I know we are about to stop agreeeing :D because:

1- The situation in Cuba before him (at least admit this) wasnt good(not saying that now is , please)...actually Cuba lived in a terrible governemnt of Fulgencio Batista who only did one thing: exploited the cuban people...

2- SocialismCommunism was apparently a good tentative to stop the capitalism effects...so I can see this revolution as a original even here...

3- Guevara /Castro were identified as revolutionaries/heroes (and still are believe me --most Guevara not Fidel) in Latin America because they seemed to represent an alternative to capitalism represented by U.S. and Europe...

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How is Che Guevara a hero... and why is every Marxist government a failure? I mean Marxist governments never distribute the wealth like they are supposed to and consequently, a majority of that nation lives below the poverty line. They don't believe that people should be allowed to obtain financial success and want to limit people's achievements. If repressing people is "revolutionary" then I suppose Castro, Guevara, Stalin, Lenin, and Mao Zedong all fit under that category. The reason why the Chinese are successful is because their economy is very capitalist oriented.

I just went to the World Baseball Classic finals (this is the first time we've had this) and it ended up being Japan and Cuba. The Cubans were not allowed to talk to the media and were kept under close surveillance to make sure that they would not defect to the United States. It's quite sad in my opinoin. Whereas the Japanese were just as patriotic in representing their country... but were actually given freedom.

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How is Che Guevara a hero... and why is every Marxist government a failure? I mean Marxist governments never distribute the wealth like they are supposed to and consequently, a majority of that nation lives below the poverty line. They don't believe that people should be allowed to obtain financial success and want to limit people's achievements. If repressing people is "revolutionary" then I suppose Castro, Guevara, Stalin, Lenin, and Mao Zedong all fit under that category. The reason why the Chinese are successful is because their economy is very capitalist oriented.

I just went to the World Baseball Classic finals (this is the first time we've had this) and it ended up being Japan and Cuba. The Cubans were not allowed to talk to the media and were kept under close surveillance to make sure that they would not defect to the United States. It's quite sad in my opinoin. Whereas the Japanese were just as patriotic in representing their country... but were actually given freedom.


I really suggest to you to came to South/Latin America one day to visit some countries here like Argentina, Chile, Peru, Brazil, Cuba etc...to see with your own eyes the reality...I mean without biased pre-judgements about Thirld world, just to you to understand how is living outside america ...I know you are going to visit one of the most rich Countries in Europe but despite all the good time you ll have there --its not the same thing...
But please , try to understand me --Im not saying they were heroes...but we grew up seeing them as heroes...because the situation before them wasnt good ...aanywasy it was also terrible...

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I really suggest to you to came to South/Latin America one day to visit some countries here like Argentina, Chile, Peru, Brazil, Cuba etc...to see with your own eyes the reality...I mean without biased pre-judgements about Thirld world, just to you to understand how is living outside america ...I know you are going to visit one of the most rich Countries in Europe but despite all the good time you ll have there --its not the same thing...
But please , try to understand me --Im not saying they were heroes...but we grew up seeing them as heroes...because the situation before them wasnt good ...aanywasy it was also terrible...

I live 15 minutes from Mexico. I know exactly what non-American poverty looks like as a result of a corrupt government. Here's the difference though... our revolutionaries and revolutionary thinkers brought millions upon millions of people happiness and prosperity... I seriously doubt that Che and Castro will do the same. I would gladly take George Washington or John Lock/Adam Smith over Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx.

When one of the main reasons I decided on going to Sweden as opposed to the Netherlands is because it'll put me closer to eastern Europe, that way I can get a chance to see a part of Europe that I probably won't travel to later in life. I mean, some of the Baltic states are quite poor and I plan on visiting them.

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I live 15 minutes from Mexico. I know exactly what non-American poverty looks like as a result of a corrupt government. Here's the difference though... our revolutionaries and revolutionary thinkers brought millions upon millions of people happiness and prosperity... I seriously doubt that Che and Castro will do the same. I would gladly take George Washington or John Lock/Adam Smith over Vladimir Lenin and Karl Marx.

When one of the main reasons I decided on going to Sweden as opposed to the Netherlands is because it'll put me closer to eastern Europe, that way I can get a chance to see a part of Europe that I probably won't travel to later in life. I mean, some of the Baltic states are quite poor and I plan on visiting them.

No you didnt understand what I said... When I said about a visit to South America I was refering for you to see the entire culture, the way people live and think etc --not the poverty or corruption that of course exists here as the same way its exists in US or European countries.


But anyway im glad that you are going to see the real life outside America ...maybe it helps you to rethink and your biased concepts about the others countries and US foreign policy...:rolleyes:

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No you didnt understand what I said... When I said about a visit to South America I was refering for you to see the entire culture, the way people live and think etc --not the poverty or corruption that of course exists here as the same way its exists in US or European countries.


But anyway im glad that you are going to see the real life outside America ...maybe it helps you to rethink and your biased concepts about the others countries and US foreign policy...:rolleyes:

"Biased concepts?" I'm confused. Are you insinuating that I'm bad for wanting people to be able to live freely and not under the iron fist of a brutal dictator? Or that I realize that war is a possibility when dealing with violent and repressive regimes? People are entitled to natural rights as human beings and I hate seeing people living in societies take those rights away from them.

The only Latin American country I've been to is Mexico... and I've been there a bunch of times. I know the culture, the history, and can speak the language a little bit. I'm sure that Brazil is completely different than Mexico... but my point is that I've been exposed to other non-American culture before.

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"Biased concepts?" I'm confused. Are you insinuating that I'm bad for wanting people to be able to live freely and not under the iron fist of a brutal dictator? Or that I realize that war is a possibility when dealing with violent and repressive regimes? People are entitled to natural rights as human beings and I hate seeing people living in societies take those rights away from them.

The only Latin American country I've been to is Mexico... and I've been there a bunch of times. I know the culture, the history, and can speak the language a little bit. I'm sure that Brazil is completely different than Mexico... but my point is that I've been exposed to other non-American culture before.


Again you misunderstood my point.Lok Everyone here has some biased opinions--so we are them debating right? And I do think its good for you to visit others countries in Europe, but it could be very interesting if you also visit South America....to know the culture , people, history etc...as the same way Im considering to visit US --maybe next year...;)