More trouble for Scott Stapp

[scott_stapp_fan]

FROM US WEEKLY

2/16/06 11am EST

Scott Stapp and Kid Rock Sex Tape Revealed!!!

There's more trouble on the horizon for newlywed and Creed frontman Scott Stapp, 32. Us Weekly has learned exclusively that a sex tape involving the singer and fellow musician Kid Rock, 35, is set to be released. The tape shows both stars involved in explicit sex acts on a tour bus while touring together six years ago. The two don't engage in any sex acts together, but are seen and heard talking to one another during the acts. Footage was acquired by the Red Light District, the same company that distributed Paris Hilton's infamous sex tape One Night in Paris. 'We acquired the tape from a third party' says Red Light's president David Joseph. 'We haven't decided exactly what we are doing with it but our goal is to release it towards the middle or end of this year.' Representatives for Kid Rock and Stapp could not be reached. Stapp wed former Miss New York Jaclyn Nesheiwat, 25, on February 10 in Miami. He was arrested for public drunkeness the following day at LAX airport while enroute to his honeymoon in Hawaii. Stapp was treated for substance abuse in December 2004.

[titan9]

Are you kidding me? Is US Weekly credible?

[eusebioCBR]

:wtf: !!!

[TeriB19]

What a lovely wedding gift for the blushing bride. This is getting ugly. Not sure how credible Us Weekly though.

Can you link us to the article please?

[Justify]

I can believe the alcohol stories because we all know he has a problem but this seems a little far fetched to me.

[scott_stapp_fan]

Here's the link. I haven't seen it anywhere else though

http://www.usmagazine.com/

[titan9]

If true, this is truly disgusting. It's not the fact that he supposedly "engaged" in these activities that disgusts me, but rather that it was videotaped. *Shakes head*

[Bridge of Clay]

well, it's true. A long time ago people would comment on that on boards, I think even Stapp admitted it to someone... this story is old. The news it's getting released. But if it's true it's being released... I can't tell.

I think it was even before jagger was born...

[Bridge of Clay]

hah! here it is, thanks to Julie:

Straight from the Q&A with Creed on Creed.com:

AzureWinds043: SCOTT, what is the craziest thing you have ever done? Craziest thing a fan has ever done?

SS: Craziest thing I've ever done. Hmm. All I can tell you is that it has to do with Kid Rock and 14 close friends. Craziest thing a fan has ever done happened with Kid Rock and 14 close friends.

http://www.passionbreedsfollowers.com/media/print/direct/qanda2.shtml

[TeriB19]

This just plain sucks.

[eusebioCBR]

hah! here it is, thanks to Julie:

Straight from the Q&A with Creed on Creed.com:

AzureWinds043: SCOTT, what is the craziest thing you have ever done? Craziest thing a fan has ever done?

SS: Craziest thing I've ever done. Hmm. All I can tell you is that it has to do with Kid Rock and 14 close friends. Craziest thing a fan has ever done happened with Kid Rock and 14 close friends.

http://www.passionbreedsfollowers.com/media/print/direct/qanda2.shtml
The act itself, that's none of my business. To brag about it, that's TASTELESS. Isn't he aware these videos always surface?

[nagpo]

im speechles. so what does this mean he's gay? bi? i cant look at him the same way anymore. this changes everything.

[TeriB19]

No it does not mean he's gay. They're not doing anything to each other. Read the post, it says they are with women, but not doing anything to each other.

[Stappishot]

WOW! That's crazy! :eek:

[titan9]

The act itself, that's none of my business. To brag about it, that's TASTELESS.

My thoughts exactly. I actually can't believe that it has taken this long for this thing to surface.

The sad thing is, this is coming out less than a week after Stapp was busted for being drunk in public. This isn't good press at all for him and is really going to piss some fans off. Not a good thing considering he needs all the fan support he can get.

[Dogstar]

And the hits just keep ooooon comin'. This is old news, but the tape surfacing is new. I wonder who the third party was. Publicity, even bad publicity, can help record sales, or concert ticket sales.

[titan9]

That's true about publicity. But his image has taken such a hit over the past 3 years that I think this could be a really bad thing for his career. It's a shame that he's had four some-what major things happen in the past 3 months that COULD hurt his career : the 311 incident, the Spike TV incident, the arrest for being drunk in public and now this sex tape. I just don't think this is going to help his career at all, and I think it could cause him to lose even more fans.

[Dogstar]

Yes, he will lose some, but there are 10 more in that person's place who are curious to see a train wreck. People love to see celebs fall and all of this just generates more talk. Really, after about a week or two of his CD being out, who was really talking about it? There is more talk generated with negative stuff, sadly. Plus, if anybody needs a kick-start, it's Kid Rock. He's on some tour now and it wouldn't surprise me if someone from his camp released the tape.

[bobben]

All this shit from the media lately shows us why Stapp even became an alcoholic in the first place. Just as he begins his new solocareer and do well, then media come along with all this crap that's just gonna push him further down! God, give the guy some rest!

[RockGoddess]

My apologies if I broke a rule. My pm box is always open.

[Chris98GT]

From the tape:

Scott: "Hey, it's good to be the king."

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[eusebioCBR]

So it is real. :eek:

[Dogstar]

All this shit from the media lately shows us why Stapp even became an alcoholic in the first place. Just as he begins his new solocareer and do well, then media come along with all this crap that's just gonna push him further down! God, give the guy some rest!
No offense, but this isn't totally the media's fault. The media didn't engage in sex acts that got taped, or try to fight with 311, or get blitzed on Spike TV or get drunk and beligerent at an airport.

[RockGoddess]

so.... uhm...... why was my link deleted and not this one? I'm confusled.

[Dogstar]

What got deleted?

[Stappishot]

No offense, but this isn't totally the media's fault. The media didn't engage in sex acts that got taped, or try to fight with 311, or get blitzed on Spike TV or get drunk and beligerent at an airport.

True.

[RockGoddess]

It's o.k. Dogstar. I had posted a link as well to the video and it was deleted. I had apologized if I'd broken a rule (I'm not always sure what's allowed and what isn't; every board is different. I certainly didn't mean to offend). And then another link was posted, but that was then deleted as well.

I'm not confuself anymore! lol

[Dogstar]

Yeah, I saw that a different one was deleted earlier, so I just deleted another. I'm thinking Steve doesn't want anything linked to what could be considered porn on the site.

[titan9]

Quite frankly, I am glad Dogstar deleted the link. I think it has no place on here. Besides, I'm sure that those who want to see it can easily google it and find it.

[nagpo]

was he married to his old wife at that time?

[RockGoddess]

This happened in Orlando in 2000. Apparently his son was at that concert. I don't know about Hillaree. Weren't they divorced in 99'? I don't remember.

[TeriB19]

Quite frankly, I am glad Dogstar deleted the link. I think it has no place on here. Besides, I'm sure that those who want to see it can easily google it and find it.
Titan, that's exactly right. Anyone can go find it for themselves, we don't need to advertise it here.

[Agent D]

The disillusionment continues...

[velocityidp]

Hmm...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11396775/

And I thought I was dissapointed in Stapp before... this caps it.

[King Oropher]

:eek: :wtf: Thats so sad that this tape is going to be released, man I feel sorry for Scott

[Stappishot]

I hope being that this tape will come out, that Stapp doesn't get so mad that he turns to more drinking, or god knows what.

[Higher_Desire]

it's pretty f*cking pathetic if you ask me.

H-D :pimp:

[facelessmike]

The disillusionment continues...

Isnt that the absolute truth...:wtf:

These last few months have been a nightmare for Scott and his fans, but he only has himself to blame. I'll always love the music, but it hurts to say that the man has fallen a long way in my book. Now I understand what Brian Marshall meant about Stapp being no angel and putting on a clean front. I feel for the new Mrs. Stapp. Well, I've gotta go see how pbf is buzzing.
And, it's good to be the king! But ONLY if the freaking camera is NOT rolling!! :eek: :eek:

[Trimontana]

it's pretty f*cking pathetic if you ask me.

H-D :pimp:

Thinking the same. To be honnest i knew this was gonna come to the surface sooner or later. All these fans thinking Stapp was a victim and he was a good guy...i don't feel sorry for him. It's just disturbing thinking that his own son was at that gig...i feel sorry for the kid. Stapp doesn't have shame. It makes me sick the fact of imaging seeing that tape of him. And i think it's not the media fault..what do you expect?, shoot a sex tape with fans and think it will never come public?....yeah, naive:rolleyes:

[cariocawlad]

Well...where's this all gonna end?

[Trimontana]

Well...where's this all gonna end?All actions have consequences. It will stop when he stops to act like a motherfucker piece of work.

[nagpo]

All actions have consequences. It will stop when he stops to act like a motherfucker piece of work.
damn straight

[Mrprophetman]

Ha....Ha.....Ha..Ha..Ha.


All these people are gonna shell out $70.00 bucks for this thing and find out it actually stars the greasy Kid Rock. Sorry, but that guys looks like a walking disease. If anybody's thinkin of buying it cause they can see Stapp, don't waste your money.

[J-Man]

^^^What??? If you think that your post will not have people buy it, you're sadly mistaken. They will - people love controversey.

[titan9]

These last few months have been a nightmare for Scott and his fans, but he only has himself to blame. I'll always love the music, but it hurts to say that the man has fallen a long way in my book. Now I understand what Brian Marshall meant about Stapp being no angel and putting on a clean front. I feel for the new Mrs. Stapp. Well, I've gotta go see how pbf is buzzing.
And, it's good to be the king! But ONLY if the freaking camera is NOT rolling!! :eek: :eek:

Amen, brother, amen. I couldn't agree more with what you said. It has been a nightmare.....not just for Scott, but also for his loyal fans. I can imagine it being incredibly hard(for his biggest fans) to justify(no pun intended) his actions. I sure as heck know that I can't justify what has went down....both as a fan and as a fellow Christian.

It's just disturbing thinking that his own son was at that gig...i feel sorry for the kid. Stapp doesn't have shame. It makes me sick the fact of imaging seeing that tape of him. And i think it's not the media fault..what do you expect?, shoot a sex tape with fans and think it will never come public?....yeah, naive

Exactly. Engaging in the acts is one thing(and I guess, in some ways, to be expected considering the nature of Rock&Roll)....but to be so cocky as to tape it and then brag about it? That's just disappointing.

[TeriB19]

Ha....Ha.....Ha..Ha..Ha.


All these people are gonna shell out $70.00 bucks for this thing and find out it actually stars the greasy Kid Rock. Sorry, but that guys looks like a walking disease. If anybody's thinkin of buying it cause they can see Stapp, don't waste your money.
Stapp's in it. They both are.

[Dani]

I'll just say that this is the last straw for me. Whatever tiny bit of sadness I still had about the creed breakup is now gone and I can finally "laugh" (I know it's not funny) about things like this.

[Robin101]

Another sex tape 'stolen' or 'revealed'!

How can so many celebrities have a sex tape 'stolen'? Let's see.....we have Pamela Anderson and Tommy-Lee, Paris Hilton, Jordan (UK members) and former wwe superstars Chyna and X-Pac....the list goes on and on.

I think that besides Pamela and Tommy, the rest have probably been released with the consent of the owners - including this one.

If this video was filmed in 2000, why has it taken 6 years for it to surface? The 'third-party' would have generated more money if it were released 4-5 years ago. Stapp was the front man of one of the biggest bands in the world who were celebrating an album going diamond and Kid Rock wasn't doing too badly either.

IMO, it wouldn't surprise me if Stapp and Kid Rock sanction it's release and walk away with a nice little profit. Both artists are not exactly shifting many albums and this would give them both controversial publicity - always guaranteed to generate interest.

[Ana4Stapp]

Another sex tape 'stolen' or 'revealed'!

How can so many celebrities have a sex tape 'stolen'? Let's see.....we have Pamela Anderson and Tommy-Lee, Paris Hilton, Jordan (UK members) and former wwe superstars Chyna and X-Pac....the list goes on and on.

I think that besides Pamela and Tommy, the rest have probably been released with the consent of the owners - including this one.

If this video was filmed in 2000, why has it taken 6 years for it to surface? The 'third-party' would have generated more money if it were released 4-5 years ago. Stapp was the front man of one of the biggest bands in the world who were celebrating an album going diamond and Kid Rock wasn't doing too badly either.

IMO, it wouldn't surprise me if Stapp and Kid Rock sanction it's release and walk away with a nice little profit. Both artists are not exactly shifting many albums and this would give them both controversial publicity - always guaranteed to generate interest.

You know...your post has very good points...;)

[MissSeeker]

Another sex tape 'stolen' or 'revealed'!

How can so many celebrities have a sex tape 'stolen'? Let's see.....we have Pamela Anderson and Tommy-Lee, Paris Hilton, Jordan (UK members) and former wwe superstars Chyna and X-Pac....the list goes on and on.

I think that besides Pamela and Tommy, the rest have probably been released with the consent of the owners - including this one.

If this video was filmed in 2000, why has it taken 6 years for it to surface? The 'third-party' would have generated more money if it were released 4-5 years ago. Stapp was the front man of one of the biggest bands in the world who were celebrating an album going diamond and Kid Rock wasn't doing too badly either.

IMO, it wouldn't surprise me if Stapp and Kid Rock sanction it's release and walk away with a nice little profit. Both artists are not exactly shifting many albums and this would give them both controversial publicity - always guaranteed to generate interest.


I'm afraid I agree...

[Polish_sausage]

who wrote this :

We all know sex sells and the whole world is buying

It's kinda cliche but the truth ;)

[GregS]

Ive seen a clip of this tape...
Just stapp & kid rock talking to the girl with their tops off...

[Mrprophetman]

Stapp's in it. They both are.

So, you have seen the tape in its entirety?

[audi1999]

If he was married shame on him and if it was true maybe there was more behind the fact of him and Hilaree splitting. The poor girl got a bad rap because everyone thought that Stapp was a god.. Well think twice just because he is a rock star he is still a good looking man with lots of opportunitys.:mad1:

[TeriB19]

I've seen a clip, and they both appear in the clip.

[nagpo]

I've seen a clip, and they both appear in the clip.
ive seen the clip to, and i agree they are both in it.

[nagpo]

If he was married shame on him and if it was true maybe there was more behind the fact of him and Hilaree splitting. The poor girl got a bad rap because everyone thought that Stapp was a god.. Well think twice just because he is a rock star he is still a good looking man with lots of opportunitys.:mad1:
the "poor girl" got a bad rap for constanly cheating on stapp and throwin somthing at him. she desereved her rap.

[Trimontana]

I've seen a clip, and they both appear in the clip.


I'm so jealous,lol!!!!!!;)

[Unforgiven Fan]

well at least the media cannot slap a christan tag on stapp now...unfortunatly it is a little to late for Creed...:) sorry I had to say it...Well Scott kinda screwed himself on this one, sorry again. This is just not good for him, it is hard to like the music if he does this kinda of stunts...

[nagpo]

well at least the media cannot slap a christan tag on stapp now...unfortunatly it is a little to late for Creed...:) sorry I had to say it...Well Scott kinda screwed himself on this one, sorry again. This is just not good for him, it is hard to like the music if he does this kinda of stunts...
yeah, ive noticed that. i was listening to creed and stapp last night and i noticed it wasent as quite enjoyable for me as it was before. i think this may have ruind his career, to keep on making music he migh have to step away from the spiritual stapp we know.

[Vliegs]

If this video was filmed in 2000, why has it taken 6 years for it to surface? The 'third-party' would have generated more money if it were released 4-5 years ago. Stapp was the front man of one of the biggest bands in the world who were celebrating an album going diamond and Kid Rock wasn't doing too badly either.


One explanation to that may be a former employee of Stapp's who got the boot several months ago after kissing his ass for YEARS so he may have released it for revenge. Honestly....if you had that and wanted to get back at him...what better time to do it than right after he gets married to his second wife. Stapp getting drunk and arrested in LAX right before that just helped him twist the screws in even further.

[crest tattoo]

Vliegs, a former employee with a name that starts with a K and ends in an i? That would be very low considering he's almost family, if that's who you're referring to??
What coincidence that this tape be released during the man's honeymoon! COME ON! I assume she knew about it, I'd hope.
My friend actually said to me, "You don't think he released this, do you?" :confused: If that's how he needs to get some publicity, that's very sad!
I never heard about this tape, and I would have doubted it had I not seen it for myself (just like anyone who didn't see Chicago has and anyone who didn't believe the fan that heard the Creed breakup straight from Mark). My husband laughed at me for not thinking this stuff goes on. I guess I'm very naive. I wish I hadn't seen it. I don't care to know that lifestyle. I lost a lot of respect for that man, a lot because of his lack of respect for women.
And IMHO, what sluts! I don't care who a man is, if he isn't willing to do a little pleasing in return, take a long walk off a short bridge!!!!!!:eek:
One last note, any celebrity (or anyone for that matter) who lets someone film him or herself during sex acts is just plan dumber than a box of rocks!:nono:

[The Lithium]

im speechles. so what does this mean he's gay? bi? i cant look at him the same way anymore. this changes everything.
First off... Gays are PEOPLE!!! Remember that! And he's probably not gay... I mean, I don't know, but I think that was just a home made porn video. Two guys banging girls.

To me it has come to the point where I don't care much for news like these anymore. And come on... They are rock stars! A LOT of rock stars have crazy sex during touring, they just don't film it!

But it's times like these I'm so fucking happy Mark and Flip left Scott!

[nagpo]

First off... Gays are PEOPLE!!! Remember that! And he's probably not gay... I mean, I don't know, but I think that was just a home made porn video. Two guys banging girls.

To me it has come to the point where I don't care much for news like these anymore. And come on... They are rock stars! A LOT of rock stars have crazy sex during touring, they just don't film it!

But it's times like these I'm so fucking happy Mark and Flip left Scott!
i know gays are people to, but when a friend of yours suddenly announce he/she is gay doesent your openion or view of them change?. and when i posted that i didint pay attention to the first post in the thread so i thought him and kid rock had sex. now i know they did not. ive said this before i need to pay more attention to things i read i also need more patience.

[Dogstar]

i know gays are people to, but when a friend of yours suddenly announce he/she is gay doesent your openion or view of them change?.
Um, no.

[nagpo]

Um, no.
guess its only me.

[crest tattoo]

I think it's one of those situations you'd have to be in to understand, nagpo. My husband had a friend do that and the guy ended up "falling in love with him." Very strange and he had NO idea the guy felt that way. Was NOT good!:mad1: :eek:

[nagpo]

I think it's one of those situations you'd have to be in to understand, nagpo. My husband had a friend do that and the guy ended up "falling in love with him." Very strange and he had NO idea the guy felt that way. Was NOT good!:mad1: :eek:
probalbly.

[uncertaindrumer]

Just thought I would peek my head in and say "hi" to you all...

*whispers something about this having nothing to do with the recent Stapp news...*

;-)

[nagpo]

Just thought I would peek my head in and say "hi" to you all...

*whispers something about this having nothing to do with the recent Stapp news...*

;-)
'sup

[titan9]

Just thought I would peek my head in and say "hi" to you all...

*whispers something about this having nothing to do with the recent Stapp news...*

;-)


Uncertain......is that you? *whipes eyes* Dude, your intelligent anti-Stapp posts have been so very missed. Good to see ya again. :D

[uncertaindrumer]

Uncertain......is that you? *whipes eyes* Dude, your intelligent anti-Stapp posts have been so very missed. Good to see ya again. :D

Meh. Just came back to get a thousand posts... lol.

I can't be as active as I once was, but showing the world the folly of supporting Stapp through overly long syllogistic argumentation has been lacking in my life. Plus I have fresh ammo. lol

[nagpo]

Meh. Just came back to get a thousand posts... lol.

I can't be as active as I once was, but showing the world the folly of supporting Stapp through overly long syllogistic argumentation has been lacking in my life. Plus I have fresh ammo. lol
well u got a thousand posts so i guess that means u can leave. lol just kiddin ya.

[Ana4Stapp]

First off... Gays are PEOPLE!!! Remember that! And he's probably not gay... I mean, I don't know, but I think that was just a home made porn video. Two guys banging girls.

To me it has come to the point where I don't care much for news like these anymore. And come on... They are rock stars! A LOT of rock stars have crazy sex during touring, they just don't film it!

But it's times like these I'm so fucking happy Mark and Flip left Scott!

You know... I always love your posts...;)

[facelessmike]

Meh. Just came back to get a thousand posts... lol.

I can't be as active as I once was, but showing the world the folly of supporting Stapp through overly long syllogistic argumentation has been lacking in my life. Plus I have fresh ammo. lol

Somehow I dont think your work is as needed as it once was. I mean, recently, Stapp's doing it for you. :D

[uncertaindrumer]

Yeah seriously that's what I was going to say... I mean... if Stapp has any idol-worshippers left... no amount of posts is gonna change that now... lol

[titan9]

Yeah seriously that's what I was going to say... I mean... if Stapp has any idol-worshippers left... no amount of posts is gonna change that now... lol

If you're wondering if Stapp has idol-worshippers left......*points to PBF*. ;)

And for the record, I am still a fan of Stapp's music. But I can't defend him anymore. :laugh:

[uncertaindrumer]

I think I'd literally die if I went to PBF... lol

[titan9]

Being someone who reads the PBF board on a regular basis(but I do not post all that often because, well, I don't know if my true feelings on Stapp-related things would be, uh, welcomed there :D)...yes, Uncertain, you would die if you went to PBF. You'd have a minor heart attack as soon as you saw the frontpage. And once you went to the forums, registered, and read some of the posts......you'd have a fatal heart attack. It wouldn't be pretty at all. :rolleyes:

[The Lithium]

i know gays are people to, but when a friend of yours suddenly announce he/she is gay doesent your openion or view of them change?
No, not at all. I have two friends who's bi, (both guys), and I'm 100% alright with it. I mean... If they haven't fallen in love with me in about 2 years, (I've known them both for that long), why should they fall in love with me now? And come on... It's pretty much the same deal for one of your girl friends falls in love with you. Either way it's your friend.

In some ways I wish I was bi. I'm not though, but I think it's a beautiful way to live. You don't only see the outside and the sex. You see what's on the inside and you love the person for that. Being hetro is much more superficial. Anyway... Enough of that...

You know... I always love your posts...;)
Yeah well... That's me! ;)

Oh, and by the way... Maybe it's time for Jaclyn to divorce Scott soon? I'm not gonna turn this tradgedy into a bet, but I honestly expect them to be divorced, at least, by the end of this year. We'll have to wait and see, though.

-Peace

[Dogstar]

Being someone who reads the PBF board on a regular basis(but I do not post all that often because, well, I don't know if my true feelings on Stapp-related things would be, uh, welcomed there :D)...
I do the same. There is no room there for actual debate.

[Ana4Stapp]

I do the same. There is no room there for actual debate.

Exactly!!!!! Not even have the interest to go there lately...(everything Stapp does is okay and beautiful...:eek: ) and consider... that... I'm Ana4Stapp...lol...lol ...lol:D

[Justify]

Exactly!!!!! Not even have the interest to go there lately...(everything Stapp does is okay and beautiful...:eek: ) and consider... that... I'm Ana4Stapp...lol...lol ...lol:D


Actually that may have been true up until recently. There has been some debate over the tape. I enjoy reading through the post there anyway. You have to admit it is a Fan site... you can't expect to go there and see someone bash Stapp. Both this site and that site have their advantages. I think this site has a lot more Stapp bashers than it does Stapp fans.

[uncertaindrumer]

Actually that may have been true up until recently. There has been some debate over the tape. I enjoy reading through the post there anyway. You have to admit it is a Fan site... you can't expect to go there and see someone bash Stapp. Both this site and that site have their advantages. I think this site has a lot more Stapp bashers than it does Stapp fans.

Amen to that!

[Justify]

Amen to that!


It amazes me that so many of you Stapp haters were ever Creed fans.

[TeriB19]

That is not true at all. If you were a member here back during the Weathered tour, you'd see how many true Stapp fans there are. A great many of us are still here and to be completely truthful, we just got tired of trying to defend his actions time and time again. If it seems as though we are bashing him now, it's only because for so long, we tried to come up with excuses for his behaviour, I suppose we all wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But over the course of time, we (and I don't want to say I speak for everyone, but at least for some) grew tired of defending, excusing and explaining his actions and saw the truth in how messed up his life actually is. So if it appears that we are Stapp bashers now, it's not without good reason.

I for one, would like to see him live, but I can't get a ticket to Borgata, and given the recent developments in California, I'd be afraid that the show would either be postponed or canceled.

[Dogstar]

Actually that may have been true up until recently. There has been some debate over the tape. I enjoy reading through the post there anyway. You have to admit it is a Fan site... you can't expect to go there and see someone bash Stapp.
I'm not a basher, but you can't question anything the man does. Any hint of negativity is not usually welcome there, even if it's just realistic debate or opinion. Maybe it's different now, but it hasn't been that way in the past.

[uncertaindrumer]

It amazes me that so many of you Stapp haters were ever Creed fans.

Had it not been for his antics, Creed would not have been such a ridiculed band. I would have liked Creed minus Stapp. As it is I liked MOP (save for the actual song my own prison, which is a bit ironic...), Bullets, What If, maybe one or two others. But he just... *shudders* man he is impossible to like.

[titan9]

I'm not a basher, but you can't question anything the man does. Any hint of negativity is not usually welcome there, even if it's just realistic debate or opinion. Maybe it's different now, but it hasn't been that way in the past.

I think the reason why realistic debates and different opinions aren't so much allowed there is because PBF is trying hard to keep a positive place. If that means censoring the members, they are probably willing to do that and have done that in the past. Honestly, given what has happened to so many Creed forums(regarding the overwhelming amount of Stapp bashers/haters), I can't blame them all the much for wanting to keep a positive environment. When you think about it, it is really the only Creed/Stapp related forum that has been kept positive. Depending on your perspective, you're either going to think this is a bad thing or it is a good thing.

If you have read the forums at PBF, you will see that people are allowed to post different opinions. Take, for instance, the member known as Greed over at PBF. He/she has voiced his/her opinion concerning Stapp, and it has not been a very positive one. Still, PBF's staff has not banned Greed; they have simply disagreed with his/her opinion.

I know those who go over there and post a differing opinion on Stapp probably feel as though they are getting "jumped all over" when several PBF'ers post messages disagreeing with their opinion. Really, considering the fact that probably 95% of PBF's members are huge Stapp fans(and there is nothing wrong with that, mind you), it is to be expected to be in the minority when saying something negative about Stapp.

The opposite is found here. I'd say that there are only probably 2-10 active members who are huge Stapp fans and will still defend him, whether it is his music or his personality or both. Meanwhile, there are many more people here who have stopped defending him and aren't really fans of him anymore. When you post an anti-Stapp message here, chances are you'll have 5-20 people posting in agreement, with only a few posting in disagreement. Again, that is to be expected given the ratio of huge Stapp fans and anti-Stapp fans here.

I guess the bottom line is this: if you are a huge Stapp fan, and want to be in a very positive Stapp-filled environment, join PBF. If you're a Stapp basher, you'd be better served staying here and not posting at PBF...unless you want to have to defend your opinion to 20 different people. And if you're somewhere in the middle, like myself, you'll occasionally post at PBF while mainly posting here. I'm still a fan of Stapp's music, but I cannot condone his actions. Thus, I like the fact that I can come on Creedfeed, vent my frustrations regarding Stapp, and not have to defend my opinion to 20 different people. :D

[Justify]

I think the reason why realistic debates and different opinions aren't so much allowed there is because PBF is trying hard to keep a positive place. If that means censoring the members, they are probably willing to do that and have done that in the past. Honestly, given what has happened to so many Creed forums(regarding the overwhelming amount of Stapp bashers/haters), I can't blame them all the much for wanting to keep a positive environment. When you think about it, it is really the only Creed/Stapp related forum that has been kept positive. Depending on your perspective, you're either going to think this is a bad thing or it is a good thing.

If you have read the forums at PBF, you will see that people are allowed to post different opinions. Take, for instance, the member known as Greed over at PBF. He/she has voiced his/her opinion concerning Stapp, and it has not been a very positive one. Still, PBF's staff has not banned Greed; they have simply disagreed with his/her opinion.

I know those who go over there and post a differing opinion on Stapp probably feel as though they are getting "jumped all over" when several PBF'ers post messages disagreeing with their opinion. Really, considering the fact that probably 95% of PBF's members are huge Stapp fans(and there is nothing wrong with that, mind you), it is to be expected to be in the minority when saying something negative about Stapp.

The opposite is found here. I'd say that there are only probably 2-10 active members who are huge Stapp fans and will still defend him, whether it is his music or his personality or both. Meanwhile, there are many more people here who have stopped defending him and aren't really fans of him anymore. When you post an anti-Stapp message here, chances are you'll have 5-20 people posting in agreement, with only a few posting in disagreement. Again, that is to be expected given the ratio of huge Stapp fans and anti-Stapp fans here.

I guess the bottom line is this: if you are a huge Stapp fan, and want to be in a very positive Stapp-filled environment, join PBF. If you're a Stapp basher, you'd be better served staying here and not posting at PBF...unless you want to have to defend your opinion to 20 different people. And if you're somewhere in the middle, like myself, you'll occasionally post at PBF while mainly posting here. I'm still a fan of Stapp's music, but I cannot condone his actions. Thus, I like the fact that I can come on Creedfeed, vent my frustrations regarding Stapp, and not have to defend my opinion to 20 different people. :D


I couldn't have stated it better. I like both forums. I like this one because of the huge differences in opionion. It make it very enjoyable to read. And I like PBF because I can go there an find out more positive things about Stapp. I don't mind that other people don't like Stapp. Everyone has their opinion. Personally I like his new record. I think he means to be a good guy but he does make a lot of mistakes and so do we all. I like Alter Bridge too. I don't think PBF censors anyone... I think, as you stated that most Stapp haters don't go there because of the atmosphere.

[MissSeeker]

I guess we shouldn't be too hard on Scott, everybody makes mistakes. We can't expect him to be perfect, after all he is just a man. It seems he is going through a hard period in his life and needs all the support he can get. A possible alcohol addiction is a hard thing to overcome so lets pray Scott solves his problems succesfully.

[Dogstar]

It amazes me that so many of you Stapp haters were ever Creed fans.
It's not that amazing really. I liked Van Halen's music, but I could not stand David Lee Roth as a performer. He was just so cheesy to me. That said, I always liked Scott as a performer. He's a really good frontman.

[JOEINHOUSTON]

it's just very unfortunate as a fan of his music that everything he sings about i.e. love, faith, forgiveness, seeking God, etc., etc. seems to be all b.s. when it comes to the actual man. all inicators are that he is a major league a-hole. can you find one person who actually speaks highly of him? his former bandmates won't even talk to him, and said publicly more than once they will NEVER, EVER! re-unite with Stapp. that tells me A LOT. the people who know him best, besides his family, including his former wife want absolutely nothing to do with him. but u know what, there's something in me that still wants me to believe in the guy, i'm still going to see him here in houston mar. 14, and i'm still going to root for him, why? i don't know.

[Dogstar]

Welcome to the board, Joeinhouston. I have a ticket for Tuesday's DC show, but I'm still debating whether to go, as it's a three-hour drive. Two years ago, yeah, I would have gone. I'm more curious than anything else.

[cyndeelouwho]

It took this long to surface because it was a home video. Someone close to him or Kid probably got a copy and sold it. Personally I think it's discusting that these two grown men had such EGO's that they cheapened themselves to this level of pornography. To each their own I guess. What a cheap thrill to have some bimbo go down on you and tape it. So much for Taking someone Higher. I feel pity for his family. Try explaining that one at the next Church function. That man needs some serious HELP!

[cyndeelouwho]

In some ways I wish I was bi. I'm not though, but I think it's a beautiful way to live. You don't only see the outside and the sex. You see what's on the inside and you love the person for that. Being hetro is much more superficial. Anyway... Enough of that...

Yeah well... That's me! ;)

Oh, and by the way... Maybe it's time for Jaclyn to divorce Scott soon? I'm not gonna turn this tradgedy into a bet, but I honestly expect them to be divorced, at least, by the end of this year. We'll have to wait and see, though.

-Peace
--I didn't know you had to be BI to see what on the inside. Man, I think I am getting old cause I just cant see the logic or something!

[cyndeelouwho]

Anybody want to go to the Atlantic City show in Jersey????? I want to go just to see. Kinda like peaking into a circus tent. Ya dont want to spend the money for the ticket but dam those clowns are funny!!!! At least it won't be a waisted night, AC has good clubs and killer restaurants. I will be wearing my AB attire of course!

[eusebioCBR]

"I will be wearing my AB attire of coarse":laugh: :thumbsup:

[titan9]

But the question is, will Stapp be dressed like this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/LoracNJ/stappABshirt.jpg

[Carly]

I say the Higher video says it all, girls girls girls...not very spiritual...

[Trimontana]

I will be wearing my AB attire of course!
Right on!!!I would be doing the same.:D
But the question is, will Stapp be dressed like this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...appABshirt.jpg
I would never believe him if he would really wear the AB shirt. He can leave that for the real AB fans;)

I say the Higher video says it all, girls girls girls...not very spiritual...
LOL. Higher never was one of my fav Creed videos anyway. Stapp opening his arms like Christ never touched me. I prefered Marshall stading at the beguinning of the clip without t-shirt :)

[Agent D]

I say the Higher video says it all, girls girls girls...not very spiritual...

Because we all know how much input the band had in regard to that video...

[uncertaindrumer]

cyndeelouwho speaks wisdom...